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In December, gun control whackos were thrilled to hear about Virginia’s decision to end gun-law reciprocity agreements with 25 other states whose licensing laws were weaker than theirs. As part of a recommendation from Attorney General Mark Herring, Gov. Terry McAuliffe directed Virginia law enforcement agencies to no longer recognize concealed carry permits originating in Alaska, Florida, Idaho, and many other states.
“I have recommended the state police terminate the reciprocity agreements with 25 states whose laws are not adequate to prevent issuance of a concealed handgun permit to individuals that Virginia would disqualify,” Herring said at the time.
Only a few days before the rule was to go into effect, however, McAuliffe announced that reciprocity would remain in place after all. The governor has negotiated a new compromise with Republicans in the legislature that will protect concealed-carry reciprocity while strengthening gun control in other areas.
“This bipartisan deal to keep guns out of the hands of domestic abusers and people who cannot pass background checks will save lives,” McAuliffe said Friday. “Give and take is essential to every negotiation, but the balance of this deal changes Virginia law permanently in ways that will keep guns away from people who would use them for harm.”
Scorned, gun control groups leapt at the chance to accuse McAuliffe of betraying them. The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence released a statement calling the compromise a “mistake” that would allow people convicted of crimes in other states to bring concealed-carry guns into Virginia.
These groups, though, must surely be aware – on some level – that would have been the case regardless of McAuliffe’s position. Virginia certainly doesn’t have the resources or political will to set up checkpoints at the state border, ready to inspect every arriving driver for illegal concealed carry. Therefore, the situation is now as it always was and always would have been: if you want to bring your gun to Virginia, you almost certainly can. The only difference is that the state cops aren’t going to be throwing innocent people in jail for confusing disparities in the law.
It’s not a new thing for liberal gun-control nuts to think that laws have some kind of magical power to cut down on violence, but it’s newly amazing every time you see it in action. How can so many Americans be so blind to the realities of the world? Would McAuliffe’s now-defunct change in reciprocity have saved even a single life? It’s hard to see how. But to hear the gun control crowd tell it, this is a dark day for American violence. It’s silliness…but it’s a dangerous kind of silliness. A scary kind.
Thankfully, this time, reason and logic won out over idiocy.
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Yep. Been discussed earlier, but good to bring it up again. Oh, the "deal" wasn't much of a deal at all. The Rs gave a very token concession (which is more for PR than substance), and reciprocity is back in force. The "concession" is that any person subject to a two-year restraining order for domestic violence cannot possess a firearm for the duration of the RO. That's already federal law, and under the state law the RO restriction could be re-examined by the court issuing the RO every 90 to 180 days (but it never was due to the federal law). Oh, and there's now a State trooper at every gun show to run voluntarily background checks (there were already LEOs at every show anyway who could do the same). The R concessions simply weren't concessions at all. Herring is taking it on the chin and losing favor RAPIDLY. This will haunt him when he runs for re-election as AG. McAwful essentially conceded on this issue, which goes against the $1M "investment" that Bloomberg has in him and telegraphs that he is not a viable VP candidate for the Ds. In fact, this is a huge victory for the 2A and the Rs because Herring is now DIRECTLY ORDERED to strike reciprocity deals with every state that offers reciprocity. Good article on this from the WaPo - link
Five things that (kind of) explain McAuliffe’s gun deal with Republicans
By Laura Vozzella February 1 at 6:00 AM
RICHMOND — Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D) and GOP legislative leaders struck deal last week on an issue on which they have never seen eye to eye: guns. The most surprising part of all was that it reversed action that Attorney General Mark R. Herring (D) had taken just last month to sever reciprocity rights of gun owners in 25 states with concealed-weapons standards looser than Virginia’s.
Although McAuliffe and the GOP had privately agreed to portray the deal as a win for both sides, the reactions from activists differed starkly. The gun-rights camp hailed it as a major victory, while the gun-safety camp said it had been betrayed.
Here’s what you need to know about the deal as the controversy enters its second week:
Does this deal expand gun rights?
Yes. The deal goes beyond restoring the reciprocity rights that Herring had planned to revoke, directing him to strike reciprocity deals with every state that offers them. If the legislature approves the deal, more out-of-state gun owners will be allowed to carry concealed weapons in Virginia, and Virginians will be able to carry concealed weapons in other parts of the country.
Does it also tighten restrictions on guns?
Yes, but in a more nuanced way.
The deal would make it a felony under Virginia law for someone subject to a two-year protective order to possess a gun. Possession for such a person is already illegal under federal law. But because local police, not federal agents, respond to domestic incidents, abusers could be more likely to face charges. And because possession in such cases would be a felony, anyone convicted would lose the right to possess a firearm for life, barring subsequent restoration of civil rights through the governor.
The deal also calls for putting a state trooper at every gun show to run background checks for private sellers who currently have no way to check buyers’ criminal histories. But those checks would remain optional.
The McAuliffe administration says the troopers’ mere presence probably would scare off felons and other illegal buyers. The administration also hopes that many sellers, fearing civil liability, will opt to make the checks. Gun-rights legislators rejected a bill calling for voluntary checks as recently as last year.
If both sides gave up something, why is the left alone howling?
Gun-safety advocates felt blindsided by the deal, which came the week after the governor stood with them and Herring at a rally, where the attorney general’s reciprocity move was celebrated. That camp contends that it had a victory in hand, and that the governor gave it away. Gun-rights activists, on the other hand, started the year furious with Herring’s action but lacking a clear path to reverse it. So to them, the deal feels like a reprieve.
What’s the political spin on all this?
McAuliffe’s camp says that the gun-safety crowd got a good deal, and that the progress on background checks and domestic abusers is more critical than concessions on reciprocity. It echoes an argument long advanced by the gun-rights side: Gun owners who take the time to get a government permit are not the biggest threat to safety.
Gun-rights Republicans, however, say they got the better end of the deal by not only having reciprocity restored but expanded. They contend what their concessions — on optional background checks and abusers — were in territory that had grown harder to defend.
Where is the attorney general on this?
It’s unclear, but he hardly seems happy about it.
The governor’s office was working on the deal to undo one of Herring’s biggest achievements for at least a week before it let him know what was in the works. Herring has not taken a public position on the deal and was notably absent from a news conference Friday, when McAuliffe and GOP leaders rolled out the deal. Herring’s spokesman said he had a prior commitment.
McAuliffe and his team have artfully credited Herring for bringing everyone to the table — suggesting that by yanking reciprocity, Herring so freaked out the gun-rights folks that they were willing to make a deal. But Herring’s absence on this has been conspicuous, particularly at Friday’s event, when McAuliffe asked the crowd to give the absent AG a round of applause. Awkward!
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No, it's far more than that.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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feels good to win one, every once in a while!
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They just saved me from becoming a criminal every time I go to Virginia
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