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I've shot bear with the 7RemMag 160gr Swift A frame and 338-06 with 200gr Speer (my deer load) and 210 Nosler Partition. None went over 50 yds. I try for a quartering on shoulder shot or preferable a double shoulder. Have seen many bear in camp that were shot with 308, 30-06, 35REM, 45-70, 450 Marlin but the most by one hunter with a 264 Win Mag. His only rifle and over 20 bear to his credit with two I saw over 400 lbs. As most have said it is a good bullet in the right place that gets the job done.

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I was somewhat surprised on my first Ontario black bear hunt. That a smallish bear took a 285 grain prvi partizan bullet delivered from a 9.3x62 through both shoulders and was able to run a short run before getting tangled in some woods. It dropped within sight though! I intend to use it again although a 308 winchester would bring home a bear just the same.

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Back in PA we found adrenaline fueled "driven" bears were much tougher to anchor than Bears on natural feeding movement.

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I've always found black bears to be very easy to kill. Not one bit harder to kill than a whitetail. If anything, they are even more apt to drop at the shot.

You can up your odds by putting your shots through at least one shoulder and picking bullets that are more suitable for deer than a rhinoceros. Frontal chest shots, and a center chest on one standing on its hind legs will usually crumple them up. The standing upright shot is quite common when they are in oat fields.


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A friend that killed 100+ blacks and a bunch of grizzlies from a heli preferred 12 ga Brennekes but the natives, that were butchering the bears for village food, complained about the extensive meat damage so he switched to Foster type slugs.

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I've killed one black bear, shot through the heart with a .45-70. He jumped into the air and dropped right where I shot him. Another hunter in camp shot one through the shoulder with a .338 and it ran off and was lost.

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Originally Posted by Squirrelnut
I've killed one black bear, shot through the heart with a .45-70. He jumped into the air and dropped right where I shot him. Another hunter in camp shot one through the shoulder with a .338 and it ran off and was lost.


Either a bad bullet in the .338, or he didn't hit the shoulder.


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Originally Posted by VernAK
A friend that killed 100+ blacks and a bunch of grizzlies from a heli preferred 12 ga Brennekes but the natives, that were butchering the bears for village food, complained about the extensive meat damage so he switched to Foster type slugs.


That would be good duty...


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Originally Posted by 4ager
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I've killed one black bear, shot through the heart with a .45-70. He jumped into the air and dropped right where I shot him. Another hunter in camp shot one through the shoulder with a .338 and it ran off and was lost.


Either a bad bullet in the .338, or he didn't hit the shoulder.


I'm always amazed that folks know where the bullet hit and ended up, even though they never find the animal....


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I think the Barnes TSX (TTSX) is the bomb on bears in any deer chambering out there. If I had to choose 1 bullet for black bears (only kind we have) it would be a Barnes.

The damage that a 130 gr TTSX in .308 Win did to one of our bears was spectacular. No need for heavyweights unless you are running a medium big bore already.


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Originally Posted by rost495
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I've killed one black bear, shot through the heart with a .45-70. He jumped into the air and dropped right where I shot him. Another hunter in camp shot one through the shoulder with a .338 and it ran off and was lost.


Either a bad bullet in the .338, or he didn't hit the shoulder.


I'm always amazed that folks know where the bullet hit and ended up, even though they never find the animal....


I didn't know the guy other than a buddy and I shared a camp with him and three other guys on a combo moose/bear hunt in Newfoundland. I wasn't there when he shot it but that was the story he told in camp that evening after he and his guide returned from looking for it. Personally, I thought the guy seemed more interested in drinking than hunting so I wasn't real surprised when he said he'd wounded and lost a bear.

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My friend runs a camp in Maine, he likes hunters to use a 30 cal or larger, 180 gr or larger bullet, (not necessarily a cannon, he's fine with 308s, 35 rem, 06 and the like) and recommends no shoulder shots. However as a guide he deals with sportsman of all abilities, so guides need to give themselves a little edge since they will be the ones chasing wounded bears. Only shot one smaller one myself with a 300 weatherby that went 20 yds. Hope to chase them again this year in Maine.


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There ability to absorb and withstand vital tissue damage is beyond comprehension. I know of no American big game animal as hard to put down and keep down, and this does not exclude the might and horrendous Alaskan brown bear.

To my way of thinking, that's the reason to break shoulders.



The problem seems to be that for some a shoulder is just somewhere in the front half. It's easy to miss bone leave the bear with a nonfatal survivable injury. Even hitting the scapula can allow a bear to escape. (Art - maybe you can post your pic of a perforated scap?)

With a bear quarter toward, take out THE POINT OF THE SHOULDER which is the scapular-humeral joint.

If quartering away, take out heart/lungs on the way to the offside shoulder.

They don't go nowhere, or at least not far.

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I've only killed 2 black bears, both with a 280. My guide also doesn't like shoulder shots. Shot the first one with a 160 gr. NPT and the second one with a 175 gr. NPT Both heart /lung hits , first one dropped at the shot ,the other one ran about 50 ft.

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There are archery bear hunting guides who recomend shooting for the 'middle of the middle' or exactly where the midpoint of the front and back legs intersect with the midpoint of the back and belly....


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Have never shot a black bear myself, but friends in PENN tell me they arent hard to kill, just hard to find. They disappear like ghosts around small game season in most areas.

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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Originally Posted by VernAK
A friend that killed 100+ blacks and a bunch of grizzlies from a heli preferred 12 ga Brennekes but the natives, that were butchering the bears for village food, complained about the extensive meat damage so he switched to Foster type slugs.


That would be good duty...


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If you azz shoot blackies with an Uber magnum, I've heard they live a long time.


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