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280 owners say the cutest things to try to make their cartridge #1 on a standard case ,especially since their pet has required artificial respiration to keep it alive since it came on the scene in 1956  Like making up things about pressures, bearing surfaces, perfect powder capacity,superior killing effectiveness (LOL!), etc etc. Then, to make their case for how good it is,what do they do? Blow it out to AI and thump their chests about how great it is. If it's that good how come it needed "improvement"? LOL! Which all gives me heartburn because the 280 is one of my 2 favorite "light" cartridges on the 06 case. It's amusing to watch and has been going on for years.Old conversation.  Like Johnny B once wrote (about the 280 or something else, I can't remember), they remind you of some guy who's into collecting rare and exotic scotch from some Island off the Scottish coast and loves to lecture you on its alleged superiority over anything else coming out of a cask....  Actually after maybe 6-8 or so 280's,I have found the cartridge more temperamental and stubborn as to both accuracy and velocity than the 270. Mention the 7 Rem mag to these savants and they sneer down their noses and dismiss greater powder capacity...their pet is magic and is its equal....at less pressure no lessl...  It's hilarious! I never tire of it. 280 lovers enjoy picking fly shidt out of pepper.. 338 I'm wintering fine thanks,loading a lot of 7 Rem mag without the need for making up stuff about 24" barrels and higher pressures.....Laffin.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Bob, you need a 7mm Weatherby.
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Looking for a new 280 and was considering getting a new Model 70 Featherweight chambered in it. Anybody have any experience with one of these? You know, if MRC would offer a featherweight barrel on their 1999 action, I think they might be on to something.
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I bought on the first Win 70 FWT's in push feed configuration. It won't shoot better than 1.5 MOA, BUT it is consistent with grouping and zero stability. Nice and easy to carry, swings like a favorite bird gun, and looks nice. I put a Burris Compact 2.5x-7x in low mounts on the rifle, and it is my 2nd favorite elk gun.
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Looking for a new 280 and was considering getting a new Model 70 Featherweight chambered in it. Anybody have any experience with one of these? You know, if MRC would offer a featherweight barrel on their 1999 action, I think they might be on to something. Excellent idea! Not holding my breath though.
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Excellent idea!
Not holding my breath though. Neither am I. But I think it'd be a winner.
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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280 owners say the cutest things to try to make their cartridge #1 on a standard case ,especially since their pet has required artificial respiration to keep it alive since it came on the scene in 1956 Like making up things about pressures, bearing surfaces, perfect powder capacity,superior killing effectiveness (LOL!), etc etc. Then, to make their case for how good it is,what do they do? Blow it out to AI and thump their chests about how great it is. If it's that good how come it needed "improvement"? LOL! Which all gives me heartburn because the 280 is one of my 2 favorite "light" cartridges on the 06 case. It's amusing to watch and has been going on for years.Old conversation. Like Johnny B once wrote (about the 280 or something else, I can't remember), they remind you of some guy who's into collecting rare and exotic scotch from some Island off the Scottish coast and loves to lecture you on its alleged superiority over anything else coming out of a cask.... Actually after maybe 6-8 or so 280's,I have found the cartridge more temperamental and stubborn as to both accuracy and velocity than the 270. Mention the 7 Rem mag to these savants and they sneer down their noses and dismiss greater powder capacity...their pet is magic and is its equal....at less pressure no lessl... It's hilarious! I never tire of it. 280 lovers enjoy picking fly shidt out of pepper.. 338 I'm wintering fine thanks,loading a lot of 7 Rem mag without the need for making up stuff about 24" barrels and higher pressures.....Laffin. I like the .280. With a grain or two extra powder, it is ballistically identical to the wonderful .270 but in .284. A Featherweight .280 would be really nifty. I have only played with 3-4 .280s, but unlike Bob, have not found the .280 temperamental. I would give that title to the old '06, though.
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Excellent idea!
Not holding my breath though. Neither am I. But I think it'd be a winner. I would get one in a .280 or even a 7x57.
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Recoil isn't quite as heavy as with a .30'06, and doesn't need a 24" barrel to show its stuff like the high pressure .270 Win, or .25'06
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Huh? Campfire logic, Bob. Nope physics ! Campfire logic would dictate a 23" for balance. Wintering Well ? ![[Linked Image]](http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r295/BeNBadRacing/monkey_scratching_head_zps6ajm4fjf.jpg)
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Recoil isn't quite as heavy as with a .30'06, and doesn't need a 24" barrel to show its stuff like the high pressure .270 Win, or .25'06
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Huh? Campfire logic, Bob. Nope physics ! Campfire logic would dictate a 23" for balance. Wintering Well ? Give us a physics lesson then. Pressure Difference ( ~ +8.3% for the .270) & Expansion Ratio ( 95% ) The mathamagicians here can elaborate My .280 AI is on a 24" KS - I want the velocity, and don't mind loading for that goal. I don't have any .270's , but if I did, I wouldn't cut one down from 24", and I'd happily run 130 BT's at warp speed for max pbr 270 150 NPs in the bush for moose might fit nicely in a 22" Fwt, or a similar SD 180 NP in a .30'06 would work too. I like my .280 Fwt for that purpose. Different platforms. Different purpose. Very small differences between the .30'06 and .280 because of the same 60Kpsi loading standard. Real difference in the bullet diameter of course. I've loaded my .280's hotter, but it's not necessary. People have different statures, and find different barrel lengths comfortable for hunting. I personally find the blast from the "high Pressure" rounds more annoying in shorter barrels, but they are certainly handy for pushing bush, or stalking in close cover. I remember seeing a used #1 at a show, with a 20" .270 barrel, and I just shook my head. Our winter has been quite mild, with very few truly cold spells of limited duration. No Glue here
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Well, you could always get a MRC at about 4 pounds heavier than what you want.
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I would get one in a .280 or even a 7x57. Absolutely! Stainless, tight twist, featherweight contour, 22 inches...I'd buy one.
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I would get one in a .280 or even a 7x57. Absolutely! Stainless, tight twist, featherweight contour, 22 inches...I'd buy one. Great minds...well except the tight twist part,but other than that.
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European twist - 1:220mm (1:866 in). That's the twist in my M98. It shoots the 175s pretty well.
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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Gotcha. Great minds Rev. That should scare the beejeebers out of you that we think alike.
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Calling a 270 "high pressure" is like calling a 15 round pistol magazine "high capacity". Its not the 270s fault that it was loaded to standard pressure when the 280 wasn't.
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Gotcha. Great minds Rev. That should scare the beejeebers out of you that we think alike. Not in the least!! And I'll take mine in the old Ribgy configuration, thanks....
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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Mine would be in the Winchester Featherweight configuration. With either a Leupold 4x or 6x36 mounted.
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Actually I was talking about the cartridge, but we're still on the same page.
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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