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I thought this part was interesting: ...According to Arie Perliger, director of terrorism studies at the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, the three ideologies within the violent American far-right are racist, anti-federalist and fundamentalist. Each has subgroups—the racists include white supremacy groups such as the KKK, neo-Nazis and skinheads, which can differ in subtle ways. The anti-federalists include militias, self-defined “patriot” groups and what are so-called “sovereign citizens,’’ who hold that they are legally bound only by their personal interpretation of common law and are otherwise not subject to federal, state or local laws. The fundamentalists are primarily Christian identity groups that believe the biblical war of good vs. evil is between descendants of Anglo-Saxon nations and all other ethnic groups. Tangential to the fundamentalists are the anti-abortion attackers, who also invoke religion as a foundational motive for their violence. These disparate groups of people—violent and nonviolent—pine for different versions of a highly idealized past.... Of course you did, shill. Do you not believe there is a violent far right in America? Or do you think it is composed of different groups than the ones mentioned? Or do you just not want to read things that may be at variance to your vision of the world? Sycamore
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I thought this part was interesting: ...According to Arie Perliger, director of terrorism studies at the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, the three ideologies within the violent American far-right are racist, anti-federalist and fundamentalist. Each has subgroups—the racists include white supremacy groups such as the KKK, neo-Nazis and skinheads, which can differ in subtle ways. The anti-federalists include militias, self-defined “patriot” groups and what are so-called “sovereign citizens,’’ who hold that they are legally bound only by their personal interpretation of common law and are otherwise not subject to federal, state or local laws. The fundamentalists are primarily Christian identity groups that believe the biblical war of good vs. evil is between descendants of Anglo-Saxon nations and all other ethnic groups. Tangential to the fundamentalists are the anti-abortion attackers, who also invoke religion as a foundational motive for their violence. These disparate groups of people—violent and nonviolent—pine for different versions of a highly idealized past.... Of course you did, shill. Do you not believe there is a violent far right in America? Or do you think it is composed of different groups than the ones mentioned? Or do you just not want to read things that may be at variance to your vision of the world? Sycamore Do you have your head up your ass? Or, do you not pay attention to the group (Muslims) that have killed more Americans (and others) over the past 20 years with increasing frequency and volume than any other? Or, do you simply want to buy into the propaganda BS of .gov that criticizes any that actually object to the globalist take over by fascist socialists within the US?
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I thought this part was interesting: ...According to Arie Perliger, director of terrorism studies at the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, the three ideologies within the violent American far-right are racist, anti-federalist and fundamentalist. Each has subgroups—the racists include white supremacy groups such as the KKK, neo-Nazis and skinheads, which can differ in subtle ways. The anti-federalists include militias, self-defined “patriot” groups and what are so-called “sovereign citizens,’’ who hold that they are legally bound only by their personal interpretation of common law and are otherwise not subject to federal, state or local laws. The fundamentalists are primarily Christian identity groups that believe the biblical war of good vs. evil is between descendants of Anglo-Saxon nations and all other ethnic groups. Tangential to the fundamentalists are the anti-abortion attackers, who also invoke religion as a foundational motive for their violence. These disparate groups of people—violent and nonviolent—pine for different versions of a highly idealized past.... Of course you did, shill. Do you not believe there is a violent far right in America? Or do you think it is composed of different groups than the ones mentioned? Or do you just not want to read things that may be at variance to your vision of the world? Sycamore It's a made up leftist construct boogieman. If they were out there, there would already be a body count.
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I can appreciate that. the article claims a body count of 48, compared to 45 for jihadis in America, since 2002 (clearly leaving out the 9/11 deaths by the time-frame they picked).
I'd be interested in what count they are using to get to 45. Probably the DC sniper, the San Bernadino couple and Major Hassan?
Equally wondering what they are counting for right-wing kills? The Church in Charleston, and what else?
There was a "sovereign" citizen in Phoenix about 5 years ago, who broke into a home and killed an elderly (wealthy) Jewish couple and robbed them. Hard to say how much of that was mercenary, how much was opportunistic, and how much was political.
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Just list all of the mass murders committed by far right organizations the past 100 years Please list them and specifically what far right group comitted these atrocities . Compare the murders of black or muslim groups. Mexican drug cartels ( over50,000) compared to white racist groups the past ten years. Who is the bigger threat sycamore? Has the KKK killed over 50, 000 in the US the past ten or 100 years like the Mexican drug cartels? Commies have killed tortured over 100 million the past century. How many has the The radical right wing NRA killed in the US? Both Hillary and Bernie sanders listed the NRA as a dangerous terrorist organization. Sad how ignorant and confused a large section of the American populace has become. What an ignorant doosh I thought this part was interesting: ...According to Arie Perliger, director of terrorism studies at the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, the three ideologies within the violent American far-right are racist, anti-federalist and fundamentalist. Each has subgroups—the racists include white supremacy groups such as the KKK, neo-Nazis and skinheads, which can differ in subtle ways. The anti-federalists include militias, self-defined “patriot” groups and what are so-called “sovereign citizens,’’ who hold that they are legally bound only by their personal interpretation of common law and are otherwise not subject to federal, state or local laws. The fundamentalists are primarily Christian identity groups that believe the biblical war of good vs. evil is between descendants of Anglo-Saxon nations and all other ethnic groups. Tangential to the fundamentalists are the anti-abortion attackers, who also invoke religion as a foundational motive for their violence. These disparate groups of people—violent and nonviolent—pine for different versions of a highly idealized past.... Of course you did, shill. Do you not believe there is a violent far right in America? Or do you think it is composed of different groups than the ones mentioned? Or do you just not want to read things that may be at variance to your vision of the world? Sycamore
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I can appreciate that. the article claims a body count of 48, compared to 45 for jihadis in America, since 2002 (clearly leaving out the 9/11 deaths by the time-frame they picked).
I'd be interested in what count they are using to get to 45. Probably the DC sniper, the San Bernadino couple and Major Hassan?
Equally wondering what they are counting for right-wing kills? The Church in Charleston, and what else?
There was a "sovereign" citizen in Phoenix about 5 years ago, who broke into a home and killed an elderly (wealthy) Jewish couple and robbed them. Hard to say how much of that was mercenary, how much was opportunistic, and how much was political.
Sycamore The article lies. San Bern was jihadis, among many others. Guarantee they aren't counted and neither is Hassan or the DC sniper because .gov refuses to admit they we jihadis. TN is another not counted. Guarantee the OR shooter wasn't counted. They count only what they want to in order to skew the numbers. The article is complete horsechit.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Just list all of the mass murders committed by far right organizations the past 100 years Please list them and specifically what far right group comitted these atrocities . Compare the murders of black or muslim groups. Mexican drug cartels ( over50,000) compared to white racist groups the past ten years. Who is the bigger threat sycamore? Has the KKK killed over 50, 000 in the US the past ten or 100 years like the Mexican drug cartels? Commies have killed tortured over 100 million the past century. How many has the The radical right wing NRA killed in the US? Both Hillary and Bernie sanders listed the NRA as a dangerous terrorist organization. Sad how ignorant and confused a large section of the American populace has become. What an ignorant doosh I thought this part was interesting: ...According to Arie Perliger, director of terrorism studies at the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, the three ideologies within the violent American far-right are racist, anti-federalist and fundamentalist. Each has subgroups—the racists include white supremacy groups such as the KKK, neo-Nazis and skinheads, which can differ in subtle ways. The anti-federalists include militias, self-defined “patriot” groups and what are so-called “sovereign citizens,’’ who hold that they are legally bound only by their personal interpretation of common law and are otherwise not subject to federal, state or local laws. The fundamentalists are primarily Christian identity groups that believe the biblical war of good vs. evil is between descendants of Anglo-Saxon nations and all other ethnic groups. Tangential to the fundamentalists are the anti-abortion attackers, who also invoke religion as a foundational motive for their violence. These disparate groups of people—violent and nonviolent—pine for different versions of a highly idealized past.... Of course you did, shill. Do you not believe there is a violent far right in America? Or do you think it is composed of different groups than the ones mentioned? Or do you just not want to read things that may be at variance to your vision of the world? Sycamore Well done; well said.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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The article lies. San Bern was jihadis, among many others. Guarantee they aren't counted and neither is Hassan or the DC sniper because .gov refuses to admit they we jihadis. TN is another not counted. Guarantee the OR shooter wasn't counted. They count only what they want to in order to skew the numbers. The article is complete horsechit.
Here you go http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html
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Just list all of the mass murders committed by far right organizations the past 100 years
Please list them and specifically what far right group comitted these atrocities .
Compare the murders of black or muslim groups. Mexican drug cartels ( over50,000) compared to white racist groups the past ten years.
Who is the bigger threat sycamore? Has the KKK killed over 50, 000 in the US the past ten or 100 years like the Mexican drug cartels?
Commies have killed tortured over 100 million the past century. How many has the The radical right wing NRA killed in the US?
Both Hillary and Bernie sanders listed the NRA as a dangerous terrorist organization.
Sad how ignorant and confused a large section of the American populace has become. What an ignorant doosh
You're comparing different time spans, different countries, and different types of organizations, all bunched up into one post. Clearly different time spans are going to give different results, that is obviously why the article started its count in 2002. I think the author of the article was talking about recent trends, not past historical issues. Dead is dead, so does it matter whether someone is killed by a cartel hit, or by a hate-group? I don't know. I don't buy illegal drugs, or sell illegal drugs, or hang out with people who do, so I feel pretty insulated from drug-related violence. That doesn't mean it's not bad, or that it shouldn't be stopped, or that the government shouldn't have a policy about it. Did Bernie Sanders really say the NRA is a terrorist group? That could hurt a guys chances to get re-elected to Senate from Vermont I would think. Especially if this whole running for President thing doesn't work out (  ) I think one of the points of the article is that there is a difference between a conservative and a right-wing terrorist. I'm not sure why that notion would offend anyone. Sycamore
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The fact that it's pure BS is not important. What is important is the fact that
#1, the government believes it to be true, and
#2, the "useful idiots" believe it's true.
Those wishing to destroy this country know that the only major obstacle to them is the fact that there's still enough of us dinosaurs who understand the constitution and are clinging to our guns and religion.
I actually thought they'd wait for a few more of us to die off naturally, but they seem to be getting in a hurry!
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Ok let's dumb it Down for the progressives How many has the right wing KKK killed in in the last ten years? How many have the Mexican drug cartels killed the past ten years? How many have norteno, Sureno ms 13 gangs killed the past ten years? How many have the right wing tea party killed the past ten years? How many have left wing radical violent black drug gangs in Chicago, Detroit , los Angeles, oakland, Gary, , e St Louis , Baltimore, Philly , Miami, new Orleans , Houston killed then last ten years? How many Muslims have killed, raped innocent victims in the world the past ten years vs the dangerous TEA party?
Just list all of the mass murders committed by far right organizations the past 100 years
Please list them and specifically what far right group comitted these atrocities .
Compare the murders of black or muslim groups. Mexican drug cartels ( over50,000) compared to white racist groups the past ten years.
Who is the bigger threat sycamore? Has the KKK killed over 50, 000 in the US the past ten or 100 years like the Mexican drug cartels?
Commies have killed tortured over 100 million the past century. How many has the The radical right wing NRA killed in the US?
Both Hillary and Bernie sanders listed the NRA as a dangerous terrorist organization.
Sad how ignorant and confused a large section of the American populace has become. What an ignorant doosh
You're comparing different time spans, different countries, and different types of organizations, all bunched up into one post. Clearly different time spans are going to give different results, that is obviously why the article started its count in 2002. I think the author of the article was talking about recent trends, not past historical issues. Dead is dead, so does it matter whether someone is killed by a cartel hit, or by a hate-group? I don't know. I don't buy illegal drugs, or sell illegal drugs, or hang out with people who do, so I feel pretty insulated from drug-related violence. That doesn't mean it's not bad, or that it shouldn't be stopped, or that the government shouldn't have a policy about it. Did Bernie Sanders really say the NRA is a terrorist group? That could hurt a guys chances to get re-elected to Senate from Vermont I would think. Especially if this whole running for President thing doesn't work out ( ) I think one of the points of the article is that there is a difference between a conservative and a right-wing terrorist. I'm not sure why that notion would offend anyone. Sycamore
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are you saying the Tea Party are violent right wing extremists?
I don't think that was implied by the article.
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the only part you got right...
One man with courage makes a majority....
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I thought this part was interesting: ...According to Arie Perliger, director of terrorism studies at the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, the three ideologies within the violent American far-right are racist, anti-federalist and fundamentalist. Each has subgroups—the racists include white supremacy groups such as the KKK, neo-Nazis and skinheads, which can differ in subtle ways. The anti-federalists include militias, self-defined “patriot” groups and what are so-called “sovereign citizens,’’ who hold that they are legally bound only by their personal interpretation of common law and are otherwise not subject to federal, state or local laws. The fundamentalists are primarily Christian identity groups that believe the biblical war of good vs. evil is between descendants of Anglo-Saxon nations and all other ethnic groups. Tangential to the fundamentalists are the anti-abortion attackers, who also invoke religion as a foundational motive for their violence. These disparate groups of people—violent and nonviolent—pine for different versions of a highly idealized past.... So "pining for different versions of a highly idealized past" isn't a flashing red arrow at the tea Party after lumping them in with the skin headed neo nazi good versus evil God fearing anti abortion fundamentally anglo saxon violent Christian racists...get a clue
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Absolute, unadulterated, complete horsechit propaganda by .gov and their shills (no surprise that Sycamore buys into it). Yep. There is no single greater threat to Americans than our own government....assisted by a complicit, agenda driven media. fixed it for ya
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Absolute, unadulterated, complete horsechit propaganda by .gov and their shills (no surprise that Sycamore buys into it). Correct on both counts, and nw mag has never rated good enough for deer camp asswipe anyway.
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Okie, where in ...the three ideologies within the violent American far-right are racist, anti-federalist and fundamentalist... do you see the Tea Party? I don't see the Tea Party in there. There may be some of these violent nut jobs that go to Tea Party rallies, that doesn't make the bulk of the Tea Party violent nut jobs. Sycamore
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Are you kidding? I could put up dozens of posts re this The tea party is morenvilified than Isis Again Tea party , kkk, bundy's group vs latino and black gangs body count Who is the bigger threat to public safety? http://www.teapartypatriots.org/news/white-house-calls-tea-partiers-terrorists/http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/02/opinion/the-tea-partys-war-on-america.html?_r=0Okie, where in ...the three ideologies within the violent American far-right are racist, anti-federalist and fundamentalist... do you see the Tea Party? I don't see the Tea Party in there. There may be some of these violent nut jobs that go to Tea Party rallies, that doesn't make the bulk of the Tea Party violent nut jobs. Sycamore
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I'm referring to the article I linked.
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I'm referring to the article I linked.
Sycamore Left out a lot of attacks http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7210-2005Apr21.htmlArkansas recruiter shooting dc sniper shootings etc I see quite a few of the incidences linked to right wing groups very weak The Colorado abortion shooter was a cross dressing registered democrat
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