Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Custom Rifles & Wildcats 6.5mm plinker in Pre-64 06' based M70 in Echols Legend...

MM: It might not be ideal but I bet it will work for the purpose!

You got that right Bob!!

Especially when it is what Matt wants. I know if that is what I wanted, that is what I would do to!!

Sounds like you know everything and have everything. Why don't you just post pictures of your pretty pre 64 when done with it..... Who's going to put it together for you? Oh by the way, keep laughing. I could care the fu ck less. Don't listen to peoples suggestions here either and laugh away...

Bob,
I was talking to Alex Sitman the other day about finishing an Echols Legend. He was working on your rifle and telling me how much he liked it... I don't know how much he will like the blank without the bolt cutout. That said his prices were very reasonable and he seems to genuinely like the Shrike. Funny you posted this... I called D'arcy over an hour ago to see what was left from last weeks Shrike delivery. Change the Creedmoor to the 6.5x47 Lapua and we have the SAME idea... Sunny Hill BM and all. Have a stainless Remington, however, Jerry Stiller wants me to try a Predator and the price is really right..

Would LOVE to see some pictures of your new rifle when you get it back... He truly did go on at length about how much he liked the pattern. Small world.

Regards, Matt.

BSA,
My (laughing) is in good humor or that is what I intend it to be... I got a little off bubble of the Gentlemanly side with a few of those points, however, they were intended again in humor. I think you read me wrong...

I apologize to anyone who feels that I was anything less than respectful to them. I have some folks here I have known for years and I tend to jibe with them a bit. I am usually quite stuck up and painful to communicate with... Maybe I should return to that

Apologies all around. Especially to Brad. That was a low comment about the laser range finding Burris. If that is his choice that is his choice and I will respect it as I respect him...

Regards, Matt.

Matt, no apology needed for me (I missed your funny Burris post, I was reading and responding on a dang iphone driving back from Jackson, WY).

You and I have been friends a long time... Larry (BSA1917) is just a cranky dude.

6.5-06 and a 9.3x62 in the Echols with the bigger channel.

Rem KS contour or FW for the 6.5.

And just cause' Darcy built a LA 260 doesn't mean he wasn't holding his nose doing so...

With those actions and stocks.
I'd be thinking hunting rifles.
Pre 64s should be turned into big game hunting rifles.
A 270 WCF and a 375 H&H type of thing.
For plinking?
I'd pick up a PTG M700 with the bolt that has a small firing pin hole.And run a 6.5 x47, creed, or the straight up 260.
I know im spending your money.
But you asked..

dave

^this

Would also add, the Echols stock, as others have noted, requires a minimum no.2 contour that should be a minimum of 23" long.

Just a thought...

Brad,
I must admit the apology to you was in jest. It was one of those coming to terms with a homosexual type apologies you make to out someone as joke...(truly laughing now) Granted outing a Burris Laser Scope user is not really a joking matter. Guy took his own life in Winetka last year when s Burris joke turned tragic. He committed suicide due to carbon monoxide inhalation... No matter how bad the muffler of his Gremlin burned his lips he just kept going back for more until his mother backed over him on Krispy Kreme run. Damned kids and their sick jokes...

Bob,
I've shot a couple 06' turned to wanna be .308s and they worked, however, I should have known they were not ideal. Each case design had it's own specific feed rails.. That said I've felt some across the course rifles, as you referred to, that would make you wonder. That said with a copy of Roger Rule's Rifleman's Rifle, and Schwing's Model 21 tome set atop my custom lecturn that holds my copy of the OED, you would think I'd know some of that... You are one of the sharpest Pre-64 guys I've come across. I have a couple of your responses from 2011 bookmarked on the topic. Impressive Sir. You should be a teaching Riflesmith instead of the duds we had at CST. How D'arcy could have recommended that place to me I will never know. No one knew anything about timing a safety or any of the items that he or David Miller had mentioned. I of course had Miller's book as a text, however, it was deep to extricate a lesson plan from the pictures alone... I hope D'arcy writes something similar down the road.

I think your rifle is just about ideal for my purposes... I just have a desire to try the 6.5x47 Lapua... I've talked to not one person who did not love it...

Gentlemen,
Thank you for your input...

Regards, Matt Garrett
Chesapeake, Virginia
757-581-6270

Guys,
I read you... I've dropped the Pre-64 idea. Will leave them for another day.

Dave,
I've heard Pacific screwed a lot of those receivers up on the benchrest forums. Can't find a particular train wreck, however, everyone talks knowingly about something wrong with their machining. I came THAT close to buying a couple Christmas before last when they were $499 with a 1 piece bolt trued. Nobody I have talked to likes the product.

I've got an in with Stiller and may try his Predator as long as it has a one piece bolt. I'd prefer a blueprinted Remington to be honest. That said by the time I buy a one piece PTG bolt I am in the Predator's price range.

Dunno. Think I am going to try a Shrike... Three contour at least and 23" minimum? That is fine. Will be stainless and stout but not over heavy.

Regards, Matt.

Good point.

Trade one of the legends for a Sako hunter in edge fill set up for a smallish contour 6.5 barrel.

I was going to post this much earlier. It is posted now as simply a fwiw and gives and idea of where I am coming from on this rifle...



fwiw & imho,
Thank you for the input...

1. Lapua brass out of the box...

2. I don't want a necked down 06' case with a 6.5mm projectile in it. I was thinking of something fairly mild and friendly to repeated strings of fire. You fill an 06' case with powder and you will just about duplicate 6.5x284 levels of throat erosion. I'm far from an expert, however, I know guys who have multiple 6.5x284 Barrels chambered in a season and shoot through them after finding which one shoots best(whether that be the agg, speed, whatever). This, again, is not what I am looking for...

I see, know, and talk to guys who are shooting the ever living dickens out of the 6.5mms bore and NONE of them are working on an 06' case. If I wanted a 6.5x284 I would build one, however, even the guys I know who shoot them recommended a 6.5x47 Lapua unless you want to chamber barrels in threes or HAD TO HAVE the performance. As I labored to say in the beginning this was supposed to be a fun gun... It is likely to be short and it likely to be suppressed.

If you have never run a 6.5 CM, 6.5x47L, etc.. this whole thing may be greek... They have a modest report, are fuel efficient, are ballistically amazing, and are a lot of fun in a modest amount of gun...

It is kind of like the day my brother shot his 24" .270 Winchester with it's balls to the wall load and I shot along side him with my 22" Broughton 5C 7mm-08 with a moderate 140 grain load that I was trying to get shooting. One rifle GA Precision hosed me on... At any rate my short action 7mm-08 shooting 140s and his hot 270 load wound up dropping almost IDENTICALLY at 336 yards The 7mm-08 was actually a touch flatter. It was one of those double takes for both of us... My load was not at all hot and his was the product of everything that Barsness had printed on the .270 in the previous 20 years... It was an eye opener.

I have and love Magnums... Thinking of building a set of Winchester G Series 70s in .257, .300, and .375 Weatherby Magnums by Mark Penrod and stocking them in Echols Legend Stocks with D'arcy's Bottom Metal and Duane Wiebe's XRM 4 round down Classic 4 round magnum magazine. All built on early G Series Winchester Classic Receivers. I just acquired the G Series M70 CM .375 H&H built on the Express Action just the other day. The .257 Weatherby is to be built on a early G Series Super Grade that is currently in .300 Winchester Magnum with a 26" tube. It will retain that if I go .257 Roy... The only G Series Receiver I don't have is the one for the .300 Weatherby. That said I am looking... This set with Mark's pricing will likely take 3-5 years for completion and run $35,000 without a scope in sight... All barrels will likely be Krieger and the most difficult issue to answer is going to be barrel contours...

The SANE option to the above is JUST AS EXPENSIVE, however, it will be chambered in a 23" .270 Winchester, a 25" Heavier Senderoesque .300 Winchester Magnum, and the Express Action will simply be heavily refined and remain a .375 H&H. This is a little easier to get together, however, good .300 WM and .375 H&H Brass is not a picnic to find. Weatherby brass is high but available. I've always liked the thought of the .257, .300, and .375 Weatherbys but in tasteful Winchester Echols Legend Wrappings... Life is short I already have a nice .270, many .300s, and a .375 H&H... The .375 Weatherby in particular has always interested me...

All that said I am not at all looking for a big bellowing case for this rifle. Again something ultra accurate, well mannered, fuel efficient, easy on brass, easy to suppress, and will leave me picking up pieces of 6.5x47 Lapua brass from all over the cab of my F350 Diesel Lariat Crew Cab. I intend to kill coypus, coyote, fox, feral cats, and generally anything in need of a bullet from the captain's chair that gives me a shot... AR500 will receive no mercy...(grin)

I think, with your help, I just answered my own question...

Thank you all for your input...

Best Regards, Matt.

Btw, Guys you really did help me to make up my mind...

Thanks Matt I am lathered to see it myself!

I will try to get some pictures up when it arrives. It will not be painted, but Alex primed it and I may go full Philistine on this and leave it naked.

This stock was scheduled for a 6.5 Creed to be built for DArcy's daughter,but he insisted I take it as he would not get to the rifle for a year or so. As I recall Alex said the bolt cut out had to be done on mine,so I think the stock came that way.Alex also added pad and studs for me

I have never had Alex do a bedding job;my buddy RinB on here is the one from whom I bought the rifle, already on its way to Alex and by reputation he is one of the best.I understand he does a lot of match rifles,and is very meticulous.

I would confirm his pricing seems very reasonable.


Thanks for the comments on the pre 64's.... I have had a few and am anal about rifle function,so notice small details. If a rifle does not function well I generally never get to the accuracy part of the equation,the only reason I know a mere smidgeon about the topic. Mostly I can't teach anyone much of anything but I do appreciate the comments.

On the function issue, I handled a Czech ZG47 this past fall. Chambered for the 7x57. The owner gave me dummies to play with and run through the rifle and it was "Oh....MY- NICE!"

Bob,
I may have waited to long on the Shrike. Darcy told me they were coming in at the end of the week and I was only interested in G Series 70s. Hopefully he has a standard fill SA700 with Sunny Hill Bottom Metal. I even thought about sending the receiver to Hart for barreling and receiver truing then to Alex for bedding. You know it's funny... He said it was too nice of a sock to paint with the checkering cut into it... Will talk to D'arcy early today hopefully... Remember the PICTURES....(grin)

Regards, Matt

Matt almost forget and FYI....I bought the Sunny Hill unit directly from them and sent it to Alex. They had one 700 SA alloy unit remaining at the time but I am sure that has changed.

Like the rifle, I have yet to see any of this other than the stock,which DArcy sent to me directly.

They come out nice painted of course, but not sure I want to wait to have it done. I need to shoot this thing!

So far, I have at one time or another owned or built rifles in 6.5-06, 6.5-284, 6.5x55, 6.5 Rem Mag,, 260 and 6.5 Creed so this whole 6.5 thing is not greek to me. Nor are custom rifles. I have not run a 6.5x47 but have thought long and hard about the cartridge.

Now with a much clearer picture of direction, criteria, platform and end product, it sounds like the 260 brass will be replaced with 6.5x47 brass....

Bob,
I will give them a call today. I doubt I will go alloy... Technically it will be an alloy, however, it will be sold as C/M or SS...;-). All depends on Darcy's Shrike count. We talked for an hour last week and he asked me if I wanted one as they were coming in "Friday" and like a dolt I passed. One of those few times he was really in a talkative mood and damned if I didn't have to be the one to break it off. Had no choice but I HAD to go and I'm talking to the wizard...

gravy,
I honestly think between 6.5x47 Lapua & 6.5 CM they very well MAY replace the .260 Remington. When I bought the 1K lot, 5 years ago, it was hottest item out... That said given bullet availability and magazine constraints the long .260 Rem Case is less than ideal.

That said when you look at which 6.5mm Lapua cases are most often sold out.... They are the 6.5x47 Lapua & the .260 Remington.... Further Bryan Litz choose the .260 Remington to add to the ABM line of Cartridges so I would not put the nail in the .260 Remington's Coffin Lid quite yet. Tis just the 6.5x47 Lapua is just about perfection for it's size, and it is a click behind both the .260 and the CM. It is kind of like being able to buy a Porsche for the same thing as you can buy a Camaro. Everything was worked out by the Swiss Design Team and they've had ten years to work the kinks out. Besides I have a gross ton of components. I am actually waiting on 48 more pounds of H4350 that came available in 8 pound containers the other day at $168 per... Which has been RARE to say the least... Mid South HAD 19 total and started by buying 12 8 pounders, as they've been impossible to find, however, I realized that was a part of the reason no else could find any so I called up and cut the order in half...

Good lord I digress again...

Best Regards, Matt.

The .260 is not dead quite yet...

http://www.buyabmammo.com/260-Rem-130-AR-Hybrids-Shot-1-Mile_b_13.html