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No, he is an absolute dictator, but what's better to cause grief in a private club that always goes along to get along?

We've had it all wrong Dan. Most of Trump's supporters aren't that stupid. They know exactly what he is. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a really bad plan in the long run.

So who is more passionate Trump supporters or Bernie supporters? I think that both want the same thing that you are describing Pat...Hurt the man that's been hurting me

I think that you are correct, at least for a big chunk of Trump supporters.

Sort of, but not really.

He's not the status quo. We know what we'll get with Hillary, more continuation of Obama's march towards socialism that has done more damage to this nation than anything in history. We know what we'll get with Bush, Rubio, Kasich, etc., a return to G.W. Bush style government where the march towards a socialist nation still presses on, just at half speed. The rhetoric changes, but at the end of the day they'll all shake hands and agree to raise taxes and grow government. Paul Ryan will hug Nancy Pelosi and they'll jet off to their latest fundraiser while the rest of america is left to pay for it.

If we elect any of those candidates then nothing fundamentally changes, the country presses forward towards a train wreck that we all know is coming. You can't be 19 trillion dollars in the hole without someone having to pay for it. Can anyone even envision 19 trillion dollars? I can't imagine what that would even look like sitting in a vault. No one can which is why it's meaningless to us now. It's just a number that no one cares about growing because it's become meaningless. But the chickens will come home to roost eventually.

The reason the frustrated are backing Trump is not that they like him, it's that we know what we're going to get with the others and IT HAS TO STOP or it will destroy our country as we know it. Trump might not be any better, but he sure as hell can't be any worse than what we've had. He's the hail Mary pass, lots of people are so disenfranchised now that they feel they have nothing to lose. That's why they're considering Trump.

Knowing it has to stop, and actually stopping it are two different things.

I like him because he is not a sitting politician. And I think the only way we have any meaningful cage inn this country is to publicly execute EVERy sitting politician, good and bad ones

So exactly the reason Pat is saying

Ittpowell, I believe you nailed it.

1.8 GNP average for the last 15 years, Bush left with 10 trillion debt accumulated by all other presidents and Obama will leave with 20 trillion plus over doubling that in his terms. Bush started with a 54% debt/GNP ratio, left with a 67%, Obama has taken us over 100%.

We might have a couple breaths of life left, maybe.

Politics as usual will not solve this.

Private sector vs public sector... Pragmatic vs idealistic.

Only public sector would think they offer more individual freedom than private sector. 'Officiating freedom'... oxymoron.

Trump is worth 4 billion. Which means as a production businessman he has created 40 billion in the economy with the structural build and billions more with the continuation of services rendered. 75 to 100 billion total. Not bad for what he started with. He has created more than Bloomberg who takes money out through wallstreet. He's a builder not just in the physical sense.

There are billions in investment money that spurs development being sat on or moved out of country since the economy collapse of 2007. It's been trickling back in despite Obama as economies start finding cracks to work in. Trump doesn't have to enact or do anything but win for that money to flood back in. The smell of profit will bring it.

Trump will force both Mexico and China to the negotiating table, they will be forced into concessions by threat of tariffs.

Congress will follow Trump. He is a billionaire that's given them money before and after he'll still be a billionaire giving money to those that helped him. Public sector is in it for the long haul.

He will start reversing the debt, spur business and profit, reverse illegal immigration, rebuild the military and national defense.

His SC picks will have to support the same policies plus staunch capitalism. Doesn't leave much room for socialism nominees.

I know public sector folks can't figure why the rest of us are unhappy with being officiated by professional politicians... we should all just shut up and stay in line.

Kent

sounds like what you are clamoring for is a conservative not Trump

Trump is just more hope and change repackaged as Make America Great
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Your hope and change segue is getting tired. Every primary and election is about hope and change. Always has been and always will be. Your attempt to capitalize on Obama actually coining the phrase is a cute kind of clever but not for folks who actually are paying attention.

But,to the segue, Trump's anticipated hope and change is far more preferable to decades of the actual failed realities and the repeated doom and gloom of past GOPe and Democratic candidate's promises of hope and change. And it always began with the same primary promises turned into lies that you're so willing to buy into once again.

Your question actually reeks of the same NRO styled elitism that has doomed this nation post Reagan. You choose to explore the Trump phenomenon as though it were some sort of peculiarity rather than trying to fathom the very basic simplicity of it. Trump has appeal and he excites,the GOP does not.

You give them another chance if you wish to do so. Thankfully, the majority of the full spectrum of voters aren't so naive this time around and they certainly aren't so naive to believe Cruz's hope and change is any different from the hope and change promised by candidates of the past 40 years.

Trumps appeal isn't at all based in the silliness of those trying to play word game tricks with phrases such as hope and change. It's more largely based inside his assertion this country no longer wins anymore and we're not now looked upon as the respected uber-power we once were. The GOPe has had their decades of chances to turn it around and have miserably failed this nation in this regard.

Unlike Obama's HS "you did not build this, we built this", Trump actually did build it. After giving the GOP decades of chances, I'm giving Trump his chance.

He's just figured out how to win an election. If you give specifics you can be criticized. Did Obama EVER give any specifics? No. The fact that he calls out the media has an appeal, that he is seems different than the typical politician appeals as well. Actual history and details of his platform are of relatively little importance to many voters and he knows it. I don't necessarily agree with how elections are won these days, but he understands it and is playing the game that it is, and playing it very well.

I could get behind Trump, if I thought that I could trust him not to revert back to Democrat once the election is over. miles

EXACTLY!

Trumps success is due to the Republican parties betrayal to their base for many years. His "scorched earth" policy is what many believe needs to happen: both in the GOP and Washington.
The RNC/GOP is more concerned with their "status quo" than bringing their policy platform to fruition. Their base has finally.... "figured it out".

These posts are like the last straw attempts to save a drowning man.. Cruz..

Maybe we've figured it out. Maybe we've got our own idea's about Cruz Carlson and the rest but we don't spend months and weeks digging up every little article that calls Cruz this or Cruz did that! That seems to fall on a desperate few fanatics here that have an orgasm everytime something negative is posted about Trump.

Polls are like a$$ holes every one has one and they all say something different. My Statistics professor in college used to say he could create a poll to give anyone the results that they required and he could, just by wording the questions correctly.

Will I support Cruz? Yes. Will I support Trump? Yes. But these constant bull$hite posts are just ridiculous. Lt, your a good man and I agree with most of the things you say but everyone has their own opinions and I respect their opinions even if I don't agree with them.

Clamouring...

Trump donated more than 400,000 to GOP candidates over the last two election cycles to help insure a GOP majority in both houses. He's done everything he could to give them the power besides fixing this chit himself... He's going to fix this chit himself.

Kent

I think Bob's an ODDS guy and likes to play the favorite if it goes along with his own personal take...He likes winners & likes winning, he's a lawyer, it's in his blood & it doesn't matter if it's golf, football, politics or a petty argument on an internet forum...

It's actually very simple:

- Take a fed up attitude with politics, politicians and gridlock in our government.

- Add in the view the Dem/Rep they are all the same

- Now bring in a candidate who says what many think, but PC makes it wrong to say. He says it anyway. Yes he's an idiot at times, but he EVERYTHING he's said strikes a chord of joy with some segment, add up all those segments.

I am not sure he is my choice, haven't really made up my mind, BUT I think it will be interesting to see him be president, if this happens I see this happening:

1) He will be 1 term, simply because he won't be able to run the country like he can run a company. The president is tempered by Congress and they will fight him. That will prevent to much damage, but also to much progress

2) He WILL push with executive order, which is good, maybe we will FINALLY get a legal decision on what can and can't be done here

3) He will, absolutely WILL, shine a spotlight on the stupidity that has become how our government works. When he can't get things done, he will be LOUD about it.

4) I have to believe he is a good enough international businessman that he won't be as bad as some envision. I honestly believe he is smart enough to say what he needs to get elected, but then do what is right to make things happen. He may not formerly be a politician, but he's an international businessman, he knows how to work across that space.

Can you just imagine his state of the union address? Could be fun!