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Knowing it has to stop, and actually stopping it are two different things. True, 100%. However if anyone other than Trump is elected, it won't stop because they won't try to stop it. Trump may fail, but he'll try. He may fail, but change the path, which is a long term win.
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I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned. That explains a LOT of his followers, but not all. Steelhead? Sure. Bob? No.. that one I don't get. I think you can split them into 2 groups. One that want somebody to take revenge on the other side. Not make things better, just make them suffer. That's the group you're talking about. On the other hand, you have others that think a man who made himself richer is going to wave a magic wand and transform the federal gov't so that everybody can have a business that makes them richer. Just like 99.99% of soldiers would make lousy generals, they don't realize that many of the qualities that make a man wildly successful in business is also going to 99.99% of the time make him an absolute trainwreck as a commander in chief. Revenge and reward.. be a fitting motto for Trump's campaign. I just love that he befuddles the dumb, so much so that they'll vote for Sanders. That shows what a true idiot is. Never not funny
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Cruz is far from drowning. He is the most solid conservative of the bunch. But Trumps success so far is due to conservatives wishing to break from the "party mold" even though Trump identifies with the GOP. The voters are looking for a fresh start with an rebellious style nominee willing to challenge the status quo.
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The reason the frustrated are backing Trump is not that they like him, it's that we know what we're going to get with the others and IT HAS TO STOP or it will destroy our country as we know it. Trump might not be any better, but he sure as hell can't be any worse than what we've had. He's the hail Mary pass, lots of people are so disenfranchised now that they feel they have nothing to lose. That's why they're considering Trump.
I think this is as good of an explanation as any. You didn't mention Cruz, but he is also seen as a part of the continuing establishment as well, just to a lesser degree. Also, I do really think the issue of Canadian birth has had some level of negative effect as well with a portion of the voters. MM
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Trumps success is due to the Republican parties betrayal to their base for many years. His "scorched earth" policy is what many believe needs to happen: both in the GOP and Washington.
The RNC/GOP is more concerned with their "status quo" than bringing their policy platform to fruition. Their base has finally.... "figured it out". Well said Joe. People are just FFU.
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These posts are like the last straw attempts to save a drowning man.. Cruz..
Maybe we've figured it out. Maybe we've got our own idea's about Cruz Carlson and the rest but we don't spend months and weeks digging up every little article that calls Cruz this or Cruz did that! That seems to fall on a desperate few fanatics here that have an orgasm everytime something negative is posted about Trump.
Polls are like a$$ holes every one has one and they all say something different. My Statistics professor in college used to say he could create a poll to give anyone the results that they required and he could, just by wording the questions correctly.
Will I support Cruz? Yes. Will I support Trump? Yes. But these constant bull$hite posts are just ridiculous. Lt, your a good man and I agree with most of the things you say but everyone has their own opinions and I respect their opinions even if I don't agree with them. Does that mean you think my opinion is wrong this time? I certainly agree with you about polls.
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I know public sector folks can't figure why the rest of us are unhappy with being officiated by professional politicians... we should all just shut up and stay in line.
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Well said, the entire post.
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I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned. That explains a LOT of his followers, but not all. Steelhead? Sure. Bob? No.. that one I don't get. I think you can split them into 2 groups. One that want somebody to take revenge on the other side. Not make things better, just make them suffer. That's the group you're talking about. On the other hand, you have others that think a man who made himself richer is going to wave a magic wand and transform the federal gov't so that everybody can have a business that makes them richer. Just like 99.99% of soldiers would make lousy generals, they don't realize that many of the qualities that make a man wildly successful in business is also going to 99.99% of the time make him an absolute trainwreck as a commander in chief. Revenge and reward.. be a fitting motto for Trump's campaign. I just love that he befuddles the dumb, so much so that they'll vote for Sanders. That shows what a true idiot is. Never not funny Are you calling Calhoun's wife dumb?
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Trump is just more hope and change repackaged as Make America Great
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Your hope and change segue is getting tired. Every primary and election is about hope and change. Always has been and always will be. Your attempt to capitalize on Obama actually coining the phrase is a cute kind of clever but not for folks who actually are paying attention.
But,to the segue, Trump's anticipated hope and change is far more preferable to decades of the actual failed realities and the repeated doom and gloom of past GOPe and Democratic candidate's promises of hope and change. And it always began with the same primary promises turned into lies that you're so willing to buy into once again.
Your question actually reeks of the same NRO styled elitism that has doomed this nation post Reagan. You choose to explore the Trump phenomenon as though it were some sort of peculiarity rather than trying to fathom the very basic simplicity of it. Trump has appeal and he excites,the GOP does not.
You give them another chance if you wish to do so. Thankfully, the majority of the full spectrum of voters aren't so naive this time around and they certainly aren't so naive to believe Cruz's hope and change is any different from the hope and change promised by candidates of the past 40 years.
Trumps appeal isn't at all based in the silliness of those trying to play word game tricks with phrases such as hope and change. It's more largely based inside his assertion this country no longer wins anymore and we're not now looked upon as the respected uber-power we once were. The GOPe has had their decades of chances to turn it around and have miserably failed this nation in this regard.
Unlike Obama's HS "you did not build this, we built this", Trump actually did build it. After giving the GOP decades of chances, I'm giving Trump his chance.
A simple " Pat's right for a change." would have sufficed. I'm anxious to hear Rush after he reads my thoughts.
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Yes sir, I do.. I can live with either one as POTUS but not Hitlery or Sanders
Speak softly and use a big bore...
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On the flip side, I'm hoping the other candidates begin using softcore Porn Actresses like Ted Cruz. No wonder he approved that message.
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Good guys don't like Politicians,or politics.But after acquiring some wisdom, they come to see that any group of three or more people has a political element in play.
There has never been a great General who wasn't a wise politician. Like it or not, Patton could not have done what Ike did in winning WW2.
There are different types of Politicians, and the categories mesh into each other so smoothly that they defy definition.
However, the type who can use persuasion rather than personality in his quest to do what's best for the greater good is preferable.
Cruz sought out three big donors who had the same vision for this country that he did and persuaded them that he could show grassroots support by raising large amounts of cash through small donations.
Those guys don't need any favors from him in return for supporting him. They just had to believe he would do what he says he will do, and had a chance to win. They based their belief on his past record of doing those two things.
A politician who is hated by other politicians because he won't go along to get along?
Yeah..... I'll choose him over an egomaniac who thinks this country can be run like a business.
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True, 100%. However if anyone other than Trump is elected, it won't stop because they won't try to stop it. Trump may fail, but he'll try. He may fail, but change the path, which is a long term win.
I have to agree with your analogy. To me, it seems people who actually have their eyes open and use their brains, are fed up with the status quo from both sides. Trump is doing well, IMO, because none of the other R's are really getting their message out and showing that they can take the bull by the horns. It will take a very strong individual to really fix the problems in this country and get things turned around. Is Trump that person? I don't know, only time will tell. I do believe one of the other R's needs to pull on their big boy pants and show everyone they can lead this country and get the job done. At this point they are all still acting like typical politicians. I watched part of the dem debate last night. Talk about 2 scary individuals for this country! My main thought while watching was, how can the R's lose to either of the dem's? If the R's don't get their act together they will manage to lose a great opportunity to save this country.
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Trumps success is due to the Republican parties betrayal to their base for many years. His "scorched earth" policy is what many believe needs to happen: both in the GOP and Washington.
The RNC/GOP is more concerned with their "status quo" than bringing their policy platform to fruition. Their base has finally.... "figured it out". Laughin here...he ain't scorching a damn thing. Have you watched any of his one on one interviews??? If not, you really should, because he has absolutely no substance. Status Quo??? Trump has boasted that he'll be the only one that will be able to make GREAT deals by being able to work with BOTH sides of the aisle...You guys should really pay attention to what the guy is actually saying NOW as compared to the one liners he threw out when first declaring his candidacy...you might also wanna look at the issues & candidates he's supported in the past. The guy is a NY slime ball...period.
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1) The president is tempered by Congress and they will fight him. That will prevent to much damage, but also to much progress
Bob, if only you had imparted this wisdom on the current congress (with the lowest ever approval rating)... they've apparently become more concerned with being called racists and losing their positions, than serving their constituency.
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Perhaps, for some. Trump is in your face and many believe you are getting what you see. Cruz has that slick, polished, 'Safariman' type 'Christian' approach. Smiling whilst sticking it in your back.
That said, I still trust Cruz more to put in the RIGHT Supreme Court Justices, hence the reason he'll get my vote in the primaries.
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That said, I still trust Cruz more to put in the RIGHT Supreme Court Justices, hence the reason he'll get my vote in the primaries. I made the same mistake with Bush2, who gave us the traitor roberts . I want more Scalia's.
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I hear you and don't disagree. Lots of Cruz/Bush connections and Cruz is a Baptist, which generally frighten me more than Muslims.
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Those of us who are not enamored with Mr.Trump have been trying to understand why his fans are, for months. We have been confounded by the fact that his past is of no consequence and that his refusal to commit to any agenda other than "Make America Great Again" is enough for so many to carry his torch. It has been said by many that the reason they like him is that he is too wealthy to be corrupted, but that just didn't make much sense. Corrupted from what? Being a democrat? A rival campaign blamed it on "celebrity", and I bought into that for a while, but who watched his game show? If they did, who liked his character?
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned. I arrived at the same conclusion months ago, but framed it more directly.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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