Those of us who are not enamored with Mr.Trump have been trying to understand why his fans are, for months. We have been confounded by the fact that his past is of no consequence and that his refusal to commit to any agenda other than "Make America Great Again" is enough for so many to carry his torch. It has been said by many that the reason they like him is that he is too wealthy to be corrupted, but that just didn't make much sense. Corrupted from what? Being a democrat? A rival campaign blamed it on "celebrity", and I bought into that for a while, but who watched his game show? If they did, who liked his character?
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
Could be that some people are so sick and tired of the GOP giving us RINO after RINO that we'll take anyone that offers a break from the status quo, even if that anyone is a brash egomaniac.
Sounds eerily similar to hope and change. A cute little motto, with no substance. It's amazing to watch mature, intelligent, grown men fall head-over-heals in love with the 21st century version of PT Barnum.
+ Yup ! Just a boorish richbich saying out loud what the sentiment of many people is re muslims, illegal immigration...the border. If a regular guy was to say any of this out loud, he'd be jeopardizing his job. Cruz has said all of these things ...but...with CLASS
And that's the difference between a "populist" and a "leader"!
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But let me explain my position best I can Pat. Based on platform alone, I'm a Cruz man. Have been from the jump. Could get firmly behind Carson as well.
But there is more to it than that. Could I have been sold a line of schit? maybe. Could I have been duped? Time will tell. But I like the fact he's a dick. We've had too many puzzies in the oval office. I don't like the idea of a boor, or crass peckerhead representing my country. But that being said, there are a couple things that have made me SOLIDLY pro Trump.
1. He's the only one driving the illegal alien debate. Only one that hasn't crawfished on it. Only one standing strong saying get the phugg out. Even under heavy criticism. And the wall.
2. In the most recent debate I saw he was asked about waterboarding. He said he'd do a lot worse.
3. He is not owned by billionaire donors or sponsors or special interests.
There is no perfect candidate. They don't exist. Personally, I'm actually energized by this race. It's the first one I've followed I can actually get behind a candidate and argue on their behalf without reservation. And more curiouser, there are more than 1 candidate I'd be happy to vote for.
I believe you may be onto something pat. Anger at politicians who better to represent that anger than an azz hole
And I get it. I'm damned sick of all the niceties between those in congress calling each other honorable when they're anything but.
I don't condone it but I get it
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
The "everything else be damned" has been about four election cycles too late...
Seems like lawyers and wanna be lawyers and judges have [bleep] up what's left left of the republic, so if some want to hire something else Im really not going to question motives at this point...other than the wanting to hire more of the "precendent BS/ living breathing document' community...
But as one Boston radio talk show host said the other day..."I like a guy who walks into the room and kicks the table over".
That's Trump.
I think Trump supporters (of a conservative bent) recognize he is not the ideal conservative candidate. But I think they are also shell shocked from being lied to by the Republican Party during the last eight years,and so, are gravitating to the nuclear option.
Angry? You bet. But what's funny is that Trump won NH in every single demographic group that they polled in exit polling...think about that.
Young, old, low, middle and upper income. College educated,high school educated,blue collar, white collar workers....even on ethnic and gender,he beat them all in every single category.
People want a change and they don't want a poised politician. They want hard nosed guy who will kick the table over.
Trump is probably unethical. He started with cash and is not a selfmade man. He is mean. However we are in mean times. In other times, a nice guy like Rubio or Kasich would be fine. Trump goes down to his work site and gets his political advice from his construction workers. Its not educated but it isn't meant to be.
There are 1.3 Billion members of the Islamic faith roughly 400 million could be consider radical islamists and all of these want a Islamic Caliphate and Sharia law. They want an end to Israel and to the United States. Look around you. People are not tough like they were during WW2. They play candy crush on their cell phones. You should see how many backpackers punch out for rescue when they bruise their toes or get scared by bears. Inside, we are a tough and mean people. Lets face it Cruz is a very Christian guy but is he mean enough to take out the rug muncher and slick willy.
Cruz has been tough in court. But he has lost cases. In the Senate, he has held tighter rein than Rubio but was washed over by others. Trump is the pitbull. He is beholden to no one and if those folks, or the Chinese or the European Union decides to unload upon us we will have the meanest bugger on our side.
Just my view of Course. I like Cruz second best and I hate the fact that I can't send Trump talking points like in SC he should get down to the FN Winchester Plant and Columbia, SC and ask why they manufacture the barrels, actions and stocks there but assemble them in Portugal and ship them back.
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned.
That explains a LOT of his followers, but not all. Steelhead? Sure. Bob? No.. that one I don't get.
I think you can split them into 2 groups. One that want somebody to take revenge on the other side. Not make things better, just make them suffer. That's the group you're talking about.
On the other hand, you have others that think a man who made himself richer is going to wave a magic wand and transform the federal gov't so that everybody can have a business that makes them richer. Just like 99.99% of soldiers would make lousy generals, they don't realize that many of the qualities that make a man wildly successful in business is also going to 99.99% of the time make him an absolute trainwreck as a commander in chief.
Revenge and reward.. be a fitting motto for Trump's campaign.
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Those of us who are not enamored with Mr.Trump have been trying to understand why his fans are, for months. We have been confounded by the fact that his past is of no consequence and that his refusal to commit to any agenda other than "Make America Great Again" is enough for so many to carry his torch. It has been said by many that the reason they like him is that he is too wealthy to be corrupted, but that just didn't make much sense. Corrupted from what? Being a democrat? A rival campaign blamed it on "celebrity", and I bought into that for a while, but who watched his game show? If they did, who liked his character?
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned.
I'll vote for either Cruz or Trump if they are the man. I ain't going to overthink it. I said immediately that I kinda liked it when he lied to the MSM about the Megan Kelly/Period thing. The MSM lies to us ALL THE TIME. They are not interested in the truth. The truth does not abide in them. I had to snicker when they usually can just back somebody up and tear them down over something that everybody used to be able to say but now cannot because of PC. Trump just casually lied to their faces and then, "next question". I'm not a liar and I don't like lies, but I thought this was funny as hell.
Recently Trump either said or mouthed "Go [bleep] yourself," pertaining to companies took their operations elsewhere and abandoned American workers. Trump basically said he'd make them want to come back here and then in essence tell them we didn't need them. I try not to curse in front of kids, old folks or in Church, etc. I don't condone it. But I certainly liked the sentiment and liked the fact that somebody had enough passion about standing up for Americans that they'd get that worked up. In these obvious end times, I can't get too worried about somebody using some salty language. People need to get madder than they are.
I believe in free enterprise and working hard and being able to enjoy the fruits of your labors. But I don't blame all the [bleep] going down on a bunch of poor people who are one step away from being lead to the boxcars and made into soap. I do blame the ultra rich.
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned.
That explains a LOT of his followers, but not all. Steelhead? Sure. Bob? No.. that one I don't get.
Bob is a trained professional...an expert at appearing to keep his cool, but you underestimate his passion and emotions.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned.
That explains a LOT of his followers, but not all. Steelhead? Sure. Bob? No.. that one I don't get.
Bob is a trained professional...an expert at appearing to keep his cool, but you underestimate his passion and emotions.
And he meets the three descriptors perfectly. He just does it slicker than the rest.
He acts stupid, and lots say "See, he's one of us".
They don't say that at all. They say "He doesn't GAF about anybody and those dickheads in Washington deserve to get a dose of their own medicine". These guys aren't stupid. They're angry.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
Trump is just more hope and change repackaged as Make America Great....backed by an inexperienced liberal politician(and yup Trump IS a politician) (BTW he's liberal too)
Trump is just more hope and change repackaged as Make America Great....backed by an inexperienced liberal politician(and yup Trump IS a politician) (BTW he's liberal too)
We've had it all wrong Dan. Most of Trump's supporters aren't that stupid. They know exactly what he is. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a really bad plan in the long run.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
So who is more passionate Trump supporters or Bernie supporters? I think that both want the same thing that you are describing Pat...Hurt the man that's been hurting me
... They don't say that at all. They say "He doesn't GAF about anybody and those dickheads in Washington deserve to get a dose of their own medicine". These guys aren't stupid. They're angry.
I think that you are correct, at least for a big chunk of Trump supporters.
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Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned.
Sort of, but not really.
He's not the status quo. We know what we'll get with Hillary, more continuation of Obama's march towards socialism that has done more damage to this nation than anything in history. We know what we'll get with Bush, Rubio, Kasich, etc., a return to G.W. Bush style government where the march towards a socialist nation still presses on, just at half speed. The rhetoric changes, but at the end of the day they'll all shake hands and agree to raise taxes and grow government. Paul Ryan will hug Nancy Pelosi and they'll jet off to their latest fundraiser while the rest of america is left to pay for it.
If we elect any of those candidates then nothing fundamentally changes, the country presses forward towards a train wreck that we all know is coming. You can't be 19 trillion dollars in the hole without someone having to pay for it. Can anyone even envision 19 trillion dollars? I can't imagine what that would even look like sitting in a vault. No one can which is why it's meaningless to us now. It's just a number that no one cares about growing because it's become meaningless. But the chickens will come home to roost eventually.
The reason the frustrated are backing Trump is not that they like him, it's that we know what we're going to get with the others and IT HAS TO STOP or it will destroy our country as we know it. Trump might not be any better, but he sure as hell can't be any worse than what we've had. He's the hail Mary pass, lots of people are so disenfranchised now that they feel they have nothing to lose. That's why they're considering Trump.
I like him because he is not a sitting politician. And I think the only way we have any meaningful cage inn this country is to publicly execute EVERy sitting politician, good and bad ones
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I like him because he is not a sitting politician. And I think the only way we have any meaningful cage inn this country is to publicly execute EVERy sitting politician, good and bad ones
1.8 GNP average for the last 15 years, Bush left with 10 trillion debt accumulated by all other presidents and Obama will leave with 20 trillion plus over doubling that in his terms. Bush started with a 54% debt/GNP ratio, left with a 67%, Obama has taken us over 100%.
We might have a couple breaths of life left, maybe.
Politics as usual will not solve this.
Private sector vs public sector... Pragmatic vs idealistic.
Only public sector would think they offer more individual freedom than private sector. 'Officiating freedom'... oxymoron.
Trump is worth 4 billion. Which means as a production businessman he has created 40 billion in the economy with the structural build and billions more with the continuation of services rendered. 75 to 100 billion total. Not bad for what he started with. He has created more than Bloomberg who takes money out through wallstreet. He's a builder not just in the physical sense.
There are billions in investment money that spurs development being sat on or moved out of country since the economy collapse of 2007. It's been trickling back in despite Obama as economies start finding cracks to work in. Trump doesn't have to enact or do anything but win for that money to flood back in. The smell of profit will bring it.
Trump will force both Mexico and China to the negotiating table, they will be forced into concessions by threat of tariffs.
Congress will follow Trump. He is a billionaire that's given them money before and after he'll still be a billionaire giving money to those that helped him. Public sector is in it for the long haul.
He will start reversing the debt, spur business and profit, reverse illegal immigration, rebuild the military and national defense.
His SC picks will have to support the same policies plus staunch capitalism. Doesn't leave much room for socialism nominees.
I know public sector folks can't figure why the rest of us are unhappy with being officiated by professional politicians... we should all just shut up and stay in line.
Trump is just more hope and change repackaged as Make America Great --------
Your hope and change segue is getting tired. Every primary and election is about hope and change. Always has been and always will be. Your attempt to capitalize on Obama actually coining the phrase is a cute kind of clever but not for folks who actually are paying attention.
But,to the segue, Trump's anticipated hope and change is far more preferable to decades of the actual failed realities and the repeated doom and gloom of past GOPe and Democratic candidate's promises of hope and change. And it always began with the same primary promises turned into lies that you're so willing to buy into once again.
Your question actually reeks of the same NRO styled elitism that has doomed this nation post Reagan. You choose to explore the Trump phenomenon as though it were some sort of peculiarity rather than trying to fathom the very basic simplicity of it. Trump has appeal and he excites,the GOP does not.
You give them another chance if you wish to do so. Thankfully, the majority of the full spectrum of voters aren't so naive this time around and they certainly aren't so naive to believe Cruz's hope and change is any different from the hope and change promised by candidates of the past 40 years.
Trumps appeal isn't at all based in the silliness of those trying to play word game tricks with phrases such as hope and change. It's more largely based inside his assertion this country no longer wins anymore and we're not now looked upon as the respected uber-power we once were. The GOPe has had their decades of chances to turn it around and have miserably failed this nation in this regard.
Unlike Obama's HS "you did not build this, we built this", Trump actually did build it. After giving the GOP decades of chances, I'm giving Trump his chance.
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He's just figured out how to win an election. If you give specifics you can be criticized. Did Obama EVER give any specifics? No. The fact that he calls out the media has an appeal, that he is seems different than the typical politician appeals as well. Actual history and details of his platform are of relatively little importance to many voters and he knows it. I don't necessarily agree with how elections are won these days, but he understands it and is playing the game that it is, and playing it very well.
But as one Boston radio talk show host said the other day..."I like a guy who walks into the room and kicks the table over".
That's Trump.
I think Trump supporters (of a conservative bent) recognize he is not the ideal conservative candidate. But I think they are also shell shocked from being lied to by the Republican Party during the last eight years,and so, are gravitating to the nuclear option.
Angry? You bet. But what's funny is that Trump won NH in every single demographic group that they polled in exit polling...think about that.
Young, old, low, middle and upper income. College educated,high school educated,blue collar, white collar workers....even on ethnic and gender,he beat them all in every single category.
People want a change and they don't want a poised politician. They want hard nosed guy who will kick the table over.
EXACTLY!
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Trumps success is due to the Republican parties betrayal to their base for many years. His "scorched earth" policy is what many believe needs to happen: both in the GOP and Washington. The RNC/GOP is more concerned with their "status quo" than bringing their policy platform to fruition. Their base has finally.... "figured it out".
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These posts are like the last straw attempts to save a drowning man.. Cruz..
Maybe we've figured it out. Maybe we've got our own idea's about Cruz Carlson and the rest but we don't spend months and weeks digging up every little article that calls Cruz this or Cruz did that! That seems to fall on a desperate few fanatics here that have an orgasm everytime something negative is posted about Trump.
Polls are like a$$ holes every one has one and they all say something different. My Statistics professor in college used to say he could create a poll to give anyone the results that they required and he could, just by wording the questions correctly.
Will I support Cruz? Yes. Will I support Trump? Yes. But these constant bull$hite posts are just ridiculous. Lt, your a good man and I agree with most of the things you say but everyone has their own opinions and I respect their opinions even if I don't agree with them.
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Speak softly and use a big bore... Where's El Cid when we need him...
Trump donated more than 400,000 to GOP candidates over the last two election cycles to help insure a GOP majority in both houses. He's done everything he could to give them the power besides fixing this chit himself... He's going to fix this chit himself.
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned.
That explains a LOT of his followers, but not all. Steelhead? Sure. Bob? No.. that one I don't get.
I think Bob's an ODDS guy and likes to play the favorite if it goes along with his own personal take...He likes winners & likes winning, he's a lawyer, it's in his blood & it doesn't matter if it's golf, football, politics or a petty argument on an internet forum...
- Take a fed up attitude with politics, politicians and gridlock in our government.
- Add in the view the Dem/Rep they are all the same
- Now bring in a candidate who says what many think, but PC makes it wrong to say. He says it anyway. Yes he's an idiot at times, but he EVERYTHING he's said strikes a chord of joy with some segment, add up all those segments.
I am not sure he is my choice, haven't really made up my mind, BUT I think it will be interesting to see him be president, if this happens I see this happening:
1) He will be 1 term, simply because he won't be able to run the country like he can run a company. The president is tempered by Congress and they will fight him. That will prevent to much damage, but also to much progress
2) He WILL push with executive order, which is good, maybe we will FINALLY get a legal decision on what can and can't be done here
3) He will, absolutely WILL, shine a spotlight on the stupidity that has become how our government works. When he can't get things done, he will be LOUD about it.
4) I have to believe he is a good enough international businessman that he won't be as bad as some envision. I honestly believe he is smart enough to say what he needs to get elected, but then do what is right to make things happen. He may not formerly be a politician, but he's an international businessman, he knows how to work across that space.
Can you just imagine his state of the union address? Could be fun!
Knowing it has to stop, and actually stopping it are two different things.
True, 100%. However if anyone other than Trump is elected, it won't stop because they won't try to stop it. Trump may fail, but he'll try. He may fail, but change the path, which is a long term win.
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned.
That explains a LOT of his followers, but not all. Steelhead? Sure. Bob? No.. that one I don't get.
I think you can split them into 2 groups. One that want somebody to take revenge on the other side. Not make things better, just make them suffer. That's the group you're talking about.
On the other hand, you have others that think a man who made himself richer is going to wave a magic wand and transform the federal gov't so that everybody can have a business that makes them richer. Just like 99.99% of soldiers would make lousy generals, they don't realize that many of the qualities that make a man wildly successful in business is also going to 99.99% of the time make him an absolute trainwreck as a commander in chief.
Revenge and reward.. be a fitting motto for Trump's campaign.
I just love that he befuddles the dumb, so much so that they'll vote for Sanders. That shows what a true idiot is.
Cruz is far from drowning. He is the most solid conservative of the bunch. But Trumps success so far is due to conservatives wishing to break from the "party mold" even though Trump identifies with the GOP. The voters are looking for a fresh start with an rebellious style nominee willing to challenge the status quo.
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The reason the frustrated are backing Trump is not that they like him, it's that we know what we're going to get with the others and IT HAS TO STOP or it will destroy our country as we know it. Trump might not be any better, but he sure as hell can't be any worse than what we've had. He's the hail Mary pass, lots of people are so disenfranchised now that they feel they have nothing to lose. That's why they're considering Trump.
I think this is as good of an explanation as any.
You didn't mention Cruz, but he is also seen as a part of the continuing establishment as well, just to a lesser degree.
Also, I do really think the issue of Canadian birth has had some level of negative effect as well with a portion of the voters.
Trumps success is due to the Republican parties betrayal to their base for many years. His "scorched earth" policy is what many believe needs to happen: both in the GOP and Washington. The RNC/GOP is more concerned with their "status quo" than bringing their policy platform to fruition. Their base has finally.... "figured it out".
Well said Joe. People are just FFU.
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These posts are like the last straw attempts to save a drowning man.. Cruz..
Maybe we've figured it out. Maybe we've got our own idea's about Cruz Carlson and the rest but we don't spend months and weeks digging up every little article that calls Cruz this or Cruz did that! That seems to fall on a desperate few fanatics here that have an orgasm everytime something negative is posted about Trump.
Polls are like a$$ holes every one has one and they all say something different. My Statistics professor in college used to say he could create a poll to give anyone the results that they required and he could, just by wording the questions correctly.
Will I support Cruz? Yes. Will I support Trump? Yes. But these constant bull$hite posts are just ridiculous. Lt, your a good man and I agree with most of the things you say but everyone has their own opinions and I respect their opinions even if I don't agree with them.
Does that mean you think my opinion is wrong this time? I certainly agree with you about polls.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
I know public sector folks can't figure why the rest of us are unhappy with being officiated by professional politicians... we should all just shut up and stay in line.
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned.
That explains a LOT of his followers, but not all. Steelhead? Sure. Bob? No.. that one I don't get.
I think you can split them into 2 groups. One that want somebody to take revenge on the other side. Not make things better, just make them suffer. That's the group you're talking about.
On the other hand, you have others that think a man who made himself richer is going to wave a magic wand and transform the federal gov't so that everybody can have a business that makes them richer. Just like 99.99% of soldiers would make lousy generals, they don't realize that many of the qualities that make a man wildly successful in business is also going to 99.99% of the time make him an absolute trainwreck as a commander in chief.
Revenge and reward.. be a fitting motto for Trump's campaign.
I just love that he befuddles the dumb, so much so that they'll vote for Sanders. That shows what a true idiot is.
Trump is just more hope and change repackaged as Make America Great --------
Your hope and change segue is getting tired. Every primary and election is about hope and change. Always has been and always will be. Your attempt to capitalize on Obama actually coining the phrase is a cute kind of clever but not for folks who actually are paying attention.
But,to the segue, Trump's anticipated hope and change is far more preferable to decades of the actual failed realities and the repeated doom and gloom of past GOPe and Democratic candidate's promises of hope and change. And it always began with the same primary promises turned into lies that you're so willing to buy into once again.
Your question actually reeks of the same NRO styled elitism that has doomed this nation post Reagan. You choose to explore the Trump phenomenon as though it were some sort of peculiarity rather than trying to fathom the very basic simplicity of it. Trump has appeal and he excites,the GOP does not.
You give them another chance if you wish to do so. Thankfully, the majority of the full spectrum of voters aren't so naive this time around and they certainly aren't so naive to believe Cruz's hope and change is any different from the hope and change promised by candidates of the past 40 years.
Trumps appeal isn't at all based in the silliness of those trying to play word game tricks with phrases such as hope and change. It's more largely based inside his assertion this country no longer wins anymore and we're not now looked upon as the respected uber-power we once were. The GOPe has had their decades of chances to turn it around and have miserably failed this nation in this regard.
Unlike Obama's HS "you did not build this, we built this", Trump actually did build it. After giving the GOP decades of chances, I'm giving Trump his chance.
A simple " Pat's right for a change." would have sufficed. I'm anxious to hear Rush after he reads my thoughts.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
Good guys don't like Politicians,or politics.But after acquiring some wisdom, they come to see that any group of three or more people has a political element in play.
There has never been a great General who wasn't a wise politician. Like it or not, Patton could not have done what Ike did in winning WW2.
There are different types of Politicians, and the categories mesh into each other so smoothly that they defy definition.
However, the type who can use persuasion rather than personality in his quest to do what's best for the greater good is preferable.
Cruz sought out three big donors who had the same vision for this country that he did and persuaded them that he could show grassroots support by raising large amounts of cash through small donations.
Those guys don't need any favors from him in return for supporting him. They just had to believe he would do what he says he will do, and had a chance to win. They based their belief on his past record of doing those two things.
A politician who is hated by other politicians because he won't go along to get along?
Yeah..... I'll choose him over an egomaniac who thinks this country can be run like a business.
True, 100%. However if anyone other than Trump is elected, it won't stop because they won't try to stop it. Trump may fail, but he'll try. He may fail, but change the path, which is a long term win.
I have to agree with your analogy. To me, it seems people who actually have their eyes open and use their brains, are fed up with the status quo from both sides. Trump is doing well, IMO, because none of the other R's are really getting their message out and showing that they can take the bull by the horns. It will take a very strong individual to really fix the problems in this country and get things turned around. Is Trump that person? I don't know, only time will tell. I do believe one of the other R's needs to pull on their big boy pants and show everyone they can lead this country and get the job done. At this point they are all still acting like typical politicians. I watched part of the dem debate last night. Talk about 2 scary individuals for this country! My main thought while watching was, how can the R's lose to either of the dem's? If the R's don't get their act together they will manage to lose a great opportunity to save this country.
Trumps success is due to the Republican parties betrayal to their base for many years. His "scorched earth" policy is what many believe needs to happen: both in the GOP and Washington. The RNC/GOP is more concerned with their "status quo" than bringing their policy platform to fruition. Their base has finally.... "figured it out".
Laughin here...he ain't scorching a damn thing. Have you watched any of his one on one interviews??? If not, you really should, because he has absolutely no substance. Status Quo??? Trump has boasted that he'll be the only one that will be able to make GREAT deals by being able to work with BOTH sides of the aisle...You guys should really pay attention to what the guy is actually saying NOW as compared to the one liners he threw out when first declaring his candidacy...you might also wanna look at the issues & candidates he's supported in the past. The guy is a NY slime ball...period.
1) The president is tempered by Congress and they will fight him. That will prevent to much damage, but also to much progress
Bob, if only you had imparted this wisdom on the current congress (with the lowest ever approval rating)... they've apparently become more concerned with being called racists and losing their positions, than serving their constituency.
Perhaps, for some. Trump is in your face and many believe you are getting what you see. Cruz has that slick, polished, 'Safariman' type 'Christian' approach. Smiling whilst sticking it in your back.
That said, I still trust Cruz more to put in the RIGHT Supreme Court Justices, hence the reason he'll get my vote in the primaries.
Those of us who are not enamored with Mr.Trump have been trying to understand why his fans are, for months. We have been confounded by the fact that his past is of no consequence and that his refusal to commit to any agenda other than "Make America Great Again" is enough for so many to carry his torch. It has been said by many that the reason they like him is that he is too wealthy to be corrupted, but that just didn't make much sense. Corrupted from what? Being a democrat? A rival campaign blamed it on "celebrity", and I bought into that for a while, but who watched his game show? If they did, who liked his character?
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned.
I arrived at the same conclusion months ago, but framed it more directly.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
Perhaps, for some. Trump is in your face and many believe you are getting what you see. Cruz has that slick, polished, 'Safariman' type 'Christian' approach. Smiling whilst sticking it in your back.
That said, I still trust Cruz more to put in the RIGHT Supreme Court Justices, hence the reason he'll get my vote in the primaries.
Agreed as usual. Trump is funnierthanamutherfucker. I just know that it won't be so funny in ten years
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
Perhaps, for some. Trump is in your face and many believe you are getting what you see. Cruz has that slick, polished, 'Safariman' type 'Christian' approach. Smiling whilst sticking it in your back.
That said, I still trust Cruz more to put in the RIGHT Supreme Court Justices, hence the reason he'll get my vote in the primaries.
Agreed as usual. Trump is funnierthanamutherfucker. I just know that it won't be so funny in ten years
I'd only give him two years in office before his supporters finally figure it out...
Trump is completely different, and we haven't had a chance for a guy who is so off of the beaten path for 100+ years, if ever. This is your chance for voting against the status quo.
Someone earlier said Trump will shine the light on Washington and the bad deals that the American people are getting. I do believe that, and he will do it LOUDLY. That has needed to happen for a long time, and only an outsider can do it right.
Balls. The man has balls in a time of polite politik speak and political correctness. To get to the bottom of our social issues, we have to be able to openly say what the problem is and to actually get into the root of the issues. Trump calls a spade a spade without worry that doing so will crush him, like it would so many others. And do not doubt that it would be crushing any other politician on the stage to say what he has been saying for months.
He has unique capabilities, and I have no reason to believe I will ever be able to vote for another candidate like him. This is my chance as a voter to elect a brash, tough character who I do believe will have America's best interest at heart.
After what I've been getting from American politics, I'm willing to jump off of this bridge and hope for the best.
]I'll vote for either Cruz or Trump if they are the man. I ain't going to overthink it.
This is what this election is about. Prevent Hillary or Bernie from taking over. If your car is out of control and headed off of a cliff, you have to hit the brakes before you can turn without flipping and dying in a wreck. Any of the GOP candidates are that brake. Slow this down and then you have a better chance of turning it around IF we pack Congress with like minded legislators.
"The Democrat Party looks like Titanic survivors. Partying and celebrating one moment, and huddled in lifeboats freezing the next". Hatari 2017
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Han Solo
But as one Boston radio talk show host said the other day..."I like a guy who walks into the room and kicks the table over".
That's Trump.
I think Trump supporters (of a conservative bent) recognize he is not the ideal conservative candidate. But I think they are also shell shocked from being lied to by the Republican Party during the last eight years,and so, are gravitating to the nuclear option.
Angry? You bet. But what's funny is that Trump won NH in every single demographic group that they polled in exit polling...think about that.
Young, old, low, middle and upper income. College educated,high school educated,blue collar, white collar workers....even on ethnic and gender,he beat them all in every single category.
People want a change and they don't want a poised politician. They want hard nosed guy who will kick the table over.
You, my friend, friggan NAILED it right there.
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Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. - Plato
That would all be wonderful if true...But Trump is like a young child pining for a puppy,he'll promise to walk,feed and care for it just give 'um a chance But we all know who will end up cleaning up crap
Trump is completely different, and we haven't had a chance for a guy who is so off of the beaten path for 100+ years, if ever. This is your chance for voting against the status quo.
That happened the last two elections...how's that working out?
Are you gonna deny that trump has boasted he's the only one that can make deals on both sides of the aisle??? YOU see that as a vote against the status quo???
But as one Boston radio talk show host said the other day..."I like a guy who walks into the room and kicks the table over".
That's Trump.
I think Trump supporters (of a conservative bent) recognize he is not the ideal conservative candidate. But I think they are also shell shocked from being lied to by the Republican Party during the last eight years,and so, are gravitating to the nuclear option.
Angry? You bet. But what's funny is that Trump won NH in every single demographic group that they polled in exit polling...think about that.
Young, old, low, middle and upper income. College educated,high school educated,blue collar, white collar workers....even on ethnic and gender,he beat them all in every single category.
People want a change and they don't want a poised politician. They want hard nosed guy who will kick the table over.
You, my friend, friggan NAILED it right there.
It was the same scenario in 2008 & again in 2012...if you want more of the same, go with your emotions...
But as one Boston radio talk show host said the other day..."I like a guy who walks into the room and kicks the table over".
That's Trump.
I think Trump supporters (of a conservative bent) recognize he is not the ideal conservative candidate. But I think they are also shell shocked from being lied to by the Republican Party during the last eight years,and so, are gravitating to the nuclear option.
Angry? You bet. But what's funny is that Trump won NH in every single demographic group that they polled in exit polling...think about that.
Young, old, low, middle and upper income. College educated,high school educated,blue collar, white collar workers....even on ethnic and gender,he beat them all in every single category.
People want a change and they don't want a poised politician. They want hard nosed guy who will kick the table over.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
But let me explain my position best I can Pat. Based on platform alone, I'm a Cruz man. Have been from the jump. Could get firmly behind Carson as well.
But there is more to it than that. Could I have been sold a line of schit? maybe. Could I have been duped? Time will tell. But I like the fact he's a dick. We've had too many puzzies in the oval office. I don't like the idea of a boor, or crass peckerhead representing my country. But that being said, there are a couple things that have made me SOLIDLY pro Trump.
1. He's the only one driving the illegal alien debate. Only one that hasn't crawfished on it. Only one standing strong saying get the phugg out. Even under heavy criticism. And the wall.
2. In the most recent debate I saw he was asked about waterboarding. He said he'd do a lot worse.
3. He is not owned by billionaire donors or sponsors or special interests.
There is no perfect candidate. They don't exist. Personally, I'm actually energized by this race. It's the first one I've followed I can actually get behind a candidate and argue on their behalf without reservation. And more curiouser, there are more than 1 candidate I'd be happy to vote for.
Pretty much sums up how I feel^^^^^ But the BIG reason I got behind late last summer was the fact that he was the only possible candidate talking about our national debt. The others all run from discussing it. It is and is going to be one of if not the countries biggest problem....soon, very soon.
But as one Boston radio talk show host said the other day..."I like a guy who walks into the room and kicks the table over".
That's Trump.
I think Trump supporters (of a conservative bent) recognize he is not the ideal conservative candidate. But I think they are also shell shocked from being lied to by the Republican Party during the last eight years,and so, are gravitating to the nuclear option.
Angry? You bet. But what's funny is that Trump won NH in every single demographic group that they polled in exit polling...think about that.
Young, old, low, middle and upper income. College educated,high school educated,blue collar, white collar workers....even on ethnic and gender,he beat them all in every single category.
People want a change and they don't want a poised politician. They want hard nosed guy who will kick the table over.
Trump is a phenominon produced by 7 years of that wuss, Obongo, aggrivated by wuss Republicans who bow to him as he bows to Islamic Kings.
People are angry and The Donald expresses that anger better than any other candidate. He ain't perfect, but he does kick butt and take names, which represents the mood and demeanor of a LOT of voters.
Like him or hate him, Trump has energized the electorial process, brought a bunch of folks into the process who would probably sit out this election cycle like they did the last two.
Whether he's the nominee or not, he's served our cause well.
Those of us who are not enamored with Mr.Trump have been trying to understand why his fans are, for months. We have been confounded by the fact that his past is of no consequence and that his refusal to commit to any agenda other than "Make America Great Again" is enough for so many to carry his torch. It has been said by many that the reason they like him is that he is too wealthy to be corrupted, but that just didn't make much sense. Corrupted from what? Being a democrat? A rival campaign blamed it on "celebrity", and I bought into that for a while, but who watched his game show? If they did, who liked his character?
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned.
Can’t speak for anybody else but will reply to this. Enamored with Trump – no. Angry – absolutely spot on.
I personally think this country is f’cked; unequivocally, irrevocably, inevitably f’cked. Everything history has shown us about slowly boiling frogs is coming true and has been for some time. We have reached the point in our empire where it is in decline and is dying. Power is concentrated in the hands of fewer and fewer people. That power lets them be further and further insulated from the errors of their hubris, unlike the rest of us who have to take it in the ass for their arrogance and grossly negligent mismanagement.
I have no idea how to fix it. I really don’t think it can be fixed through the election process. We can control some small issues, maybe, for 4 or 8 years at a time, but I’m talking about the fundamental values that make any country great. We’ve lost them and surrendered our liberty for (false) security and glib promises of free stuff – partly through a calculated effort but mostly that “calculated effort” has just ridden the wave of normal human nature; “they” haven’t done anything more or less than any other would be despots have done successfully since Oog took over the Hill tribe.
So anyway, back to Trump. I hope he breaks the place. We are boiling slowly and looking to politicians, any politician, to fix things is only prolonging the agony. We absolutely know what the Devil we know is going to do, he or she is going to f’ck us in the ass and force us to pay his owners for the privilege of being f’cked in the ass. That only leaves the Devil we don’t know. And I don’t know what others think, but I think Trump would be one of the most monumentally disastrous Presidents we’ve ever seen. Maybe.
We’re bankrupt, our enemies grow stronger financially, militarily and most importantly industrially every day while we grow weaker on all fronts. We are a boil ready to burst. Trump might actually try to fix things and bring the whole place down around our heads, which, as bad as that will be, is the only way I can see to start something new again. OR, the other strong possibility I see is that he’d be the dictator that so many people throughout history, especially the folks that founded this country, have warned us about. This place is certainly ripe for it. Which might actually be the catalyst needed for some kind of genuine revolt, armed or otherwise, so we can finally start to clean out the den of snakes that live in the Potomac basin. That is, if he doesn’t start a war with a stronger allied force that finally conquers and occupies us.
OR, he could be like Reagan in some ways without the polished actor image and poise. A real cowboy coming in rootin' and tootin', kicking ass and taking names. I tend to doubt it, but it's one possibility that we can't dismiss. At least he sticks to his guns in the face of the media Propaganda Corps' worst efforts, something nobody else seems willing to do.
Whatever happens, so be it. The sooner we face the inevitable the sooner we can rebuild.
This really isn’t all about Trump but in reply to your post, yes, you are absolutely right, he expresses my anger with the Establishment very well. I don’t hold out any hope for him to fix it, but I know anybody else coming from Washington will only turn up the burner under this frog one more notch.
Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery. Hit the target, all else is twaddle!
But as one Boston radio talk show host said the other day..."I like a guy who walks into the room and kicks the table over".
That's Trump.
I think Trump supporters (of a conservative bent) recognize he is not the ideal conservative candidate. But I think they are also shell shocked from being lied to by the Republican Party during the last eight years,and so, are gravitating to the nuclear option.
Angry? You bet. But what's funny is that Trump won NH in every single demographic group that they polled in exit polling...think about that.
Young, old, low, middle and upper income. College educated,high school educated,blue collar, white collar workers....even on ethnic and gender,he beat them all in every single category.
People want a change and they don't want a poised politician. They want hard nosed guy who will kick the table over.
Trump is a phenominon produced by 7 years of that wuss, Obongo, aggrivated by wuss Republicans who bow to him as he bows to Islamic Kings.
People are angry and The Donald expresses that anger better than any other candidate. He ain't perfect, but he does kick butt and take names, which represents the mood and demeanor of a LOT of voters.
Like him or hate him, Trump has energized the electorial process, brought a bunch of folks into the process who would probably sit out this election cycle like they did the last two.
Whether he's the nominee or not, he's served our cause well.
I agree with Bob.
DF
Agree on all counts.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
I like him because he is not a sitting politician. And I think the only way we have any meaningful cage inn this country is to publicly execute EVERy sitting politician, good and bad ones
Bingo,exactly my feelings.If he gets the nomination,I will support him.If Cruz gets it .I will support him.I am freaking tired of all the lying professional politicians.If it was up to me I would hang them all and start over.
Its all right to be white!! Stupidity left unattended will run rampant Don't argue with stupid people, They will drag you down to their level and then win by experience
Contrary to what I just posted.......... I now believe Pat did nail it.
It speaks volumes on the ability of voters to read sign...
A majority went with the "outsider" in 2008 & 12 who's platform was hope & change....when you think about it, it's pretty much the same message as "make America great again"...
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Demagogue- noun: a political leader who tries to get support by making false claims and promises and using arguments based on emotion rather than reason.
"Hey jackass, get your government off my freedom." MOLON LABE
As for Mr. Trump, it is not without meaning that his supporters have had eight months to measure the cost of satisfying their anger by voting for him. In New Hampshire, 35% of the electorate decided that for all his drama and uncertainty they would back him.
The mainstream journalistic mantra is that the GOP is succumbing to nativism, nationalism and the culture of celebrity. That allows them to avoid taking seriously Mr. Trump’s issues: illegal immigration and Washington’s 15-year, bipartisan refusal to stop it; political correctness and how it is strangling a free people; and trade policies that have left the American working class displaced, adrift and denigrated. Mr. Trump’s popularity is propelled by those issues and enabled by his celebrity.
In winning, Donald Trump threw over the GOP donor class. Political professionals don’t fully appreciate that, but normal Americans see it. They get that the guy with money just slapped silly the guys with money. Every hedge-fund billionaire donor should be blinking in pain. Some investment!
In a hyper sensitive overly politically correct country Trump is the antithesis. The portion of the populace that is tired of the pussy footing and holding their tongues out of fear of offending someone finds a hero in trump because he is so brash and holds no punches. I'll vote whomever runs against the democratic nominee, but I'm not sure Trump gets much done as the president if elected.
I'm telling you. You guys are barking up the wrong tree.(As was I.) The scarier and unpredictable Trump is, the more his supporters like him. They want him to be the same way with Congress.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned.
Sort of, but not really.
He's not the status quo. We know what we'll get with Hillary, more continuation of Obama's march towards socialism that has done more damage to this nation than anything in history. We know what we'll get with Bush, Rubio, Kasich, etc., a return to G.W. Bush style government where the march towards a socialist nation still presses on, just at half speed. The rhetoric changes, but at the end of the day they'll all shake hands and agree to raise taxes and grow government. Paul Ryan will hug Nancy Pelosi and they'll jet off to their latest fundraiser while the rest of america is left to pay for it.
If we elect any of those candidates then nothing fundamentally changes, the country presses forward towards a train wreck that we all know is coming. You can't be 19 trillion dollars in the hole without someone having to pay for it. Can anyone even envision 19 trillion dollars? I can't imagine what that would even look like sitting in a vault. No one can which is why it's meaningless to us now. It's just a number that no one cares about growing because it's become meaningless. But the chickens will come home to roost eventually.
The reason the frustrated are backing Trump is not that they like him, it's that we know what we're going to get with the others and IT HAS TO STOP or it will destroy our country as we know it. Trump might not be any better, but he sure as hell can't be any worse than what we've had. He's the hail Mary pass, lots of people are so disenfranchised now that they feel they have nothing to lose. That's why they're considering Trump.
As my friend Bob likes to say " nice touch on the keyboard"
That was an excellent summation
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
My biggest beef with Trump, even more than the fact that I don't like him as a candidate and a man, is the fact that he has created an environment where all the republicans are destroying each other. Yeah, I know, attacks happen in every election, but he has proven that there is no floor on how low the process can sink. With the amount of material that they could be focusing on by going after Hillary and Sanders, their wasting their time and money destroying the republican party. We should be evaluating how well they talk about what's wrong with the democrat candidates as a preview to a general election. Instead, this entire process is all about Trump. If he wins, he have a horrible candidate at best that doesn't share our values imo. If he loses, he has made sure that the rest of the republican field is a bloody mess.
"Hey jackass, get your government off my freedom." MOLON LABE
Ted Cruz is a shinning example of why there are so many rich/popular televangelists. He is that crutch for feeble minded.
Pretty much the way I see it. They see Cruz as the "savior", despite Cruz having zero ability to get anything passed that he has promised his followers.
Cruz says things like "Abolish the IRS" and people get an instant hard on. It will never happen. Nobody likes Cruz, and he can't bring people together to make that happen. We have checks an balances for a reason.
What is beginning to come to MY mind is Bowsinger/RobJordan as you guys are just as eat up with Cruz as many here are with Trump.
Actually, I think this is way off. Trump is a cult of personality. Those of us who support Cruz strongly are Constitutionalists. There are/were only 3 Constitutionalists in the race- Cruz, Paul and Carson. Paul is out and Cruz is the one that's left with the best chance of winning. For me, the entire argument starts and ends with the Constitution. I couldn't care less about the celebrity or personality issues.
"Hey jackass, get your government off my freedom." MOLON LABE
If you think that IGAF about the 'celebrity' part you are mistaken. I am in for Carson 1st, then Trump. I will however vote nationally for anyone on the red ticket.
Think a "yuge part," of his appeal is the same empty vessel phenomenon that obama peddled in 2008. But whereas obama's was a bit awkward (if highly effective in the net), salving angst of war-time fatigue and coincidentally-timed inter-/national financial troubles with soaring oratorical bullshit (will never get that Greek stage speech sight from memory), Trump accomplishes the same slaving conservative angst thru, as BobinNH says, "kicking tables over".
In both of those cases, material details of HOW the candidate would accomplish said hope/change/great-again are sparse. Isaac points out that all politicians need to maintain some vagaries to succeed and would not disagree, but compare Trump to Cruz, say, on the matter of tangible policy proposals and one finds a yawning chasm of difference: "I'll be great at it" vs. "I'd propose x, y, and z."
And to me that's the bottom line: if we elect Trump, he turns the empty vessel over on day one in office and what policies tumble out onto the table of agenda? What do we get in that leader? We don't know, but we "believe" he's "like us, he'll do what I'd do." It's an act of faith. And the populace is so fatigued by decades now of feeling sold down the river, stabbed in the back, BY ONE'S OWN PARTY, that we are jaded beyond caring that Trump has few concrete policy proposals. Parsing those differences has failed us as conservatives repeatedly anyway, one thinks.
The populace, am afraid, is collectively at the "Aw, F-it!" stage. You ever take one of those hours long sit-down exams with >1000+ questions? Sure you want to do well, choose the correct answer. But by the time one gets to the last hundred or so, one's too exhausted to even give a damn anymore. That's where America is at in choosing it's next national leader
Golldammed motion detector lights. A guy can’t even piss off his porch in peace any more.
"Look, I want to help the helpless. It's the clueless I don't give a [bleep] about." - Dennis Miller on obamacare.
Every good salesman knows that the key to closing a deal is tapping emotion and avoiding logic.
There's two types of successful businessmen. One focuses on producing a better product, the other focuses on winning by destroying the competition. It's pretty clear what Trump is.
"Hey jackass, get your government off my freedom." MOLON LABE
The last Republican businessman to become president with no experience as an elected official was Herbert Hoover. He had been very successful in business and as an appointed administrator. How did that work out?
For one thing Hoover signed the Smoot/Hawley tariffs that helped create the great depression. He also started some of the policies that FDR expanded later like higher taxes and public works projects. Overall his presidency was not very successful.
So the fact that someone is a successful businessman doesn't necessarily mean they would be a good president. Just some food for thought.
My biggest beef with Trump, even more than the fact that I don't like him as a candidate and a man, is the fact that he has created an environment where all the republicans are destroying each other. Yeah, I know, attacks happen in every election, but he has proven that there is no floor on how low the process can sink. With the amount of material that they could be focusing on by going after Hillary and Sanders, their wasting their time and money destroying the republican party. We should be evaluating how well they talk about what's wrong with the democrat candidates as a preview to a general election. Instead, this entire process is all about Trump. If he wins, he have a horrible candidate at best that doesn't share our values imo. If he loses, he has made sure that the rest of the republican field is a bloody mess.
You are 100% missing the appeal of Trump. He is not in this to show how idiotic the Democrats are. That, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with politics, someone mentioned it earlier, if Congress would have controlled Obama....
THAT IS THE ISSUE politicians don't control politicians, they all look for the following: 1) How can I get re-elected 2) How can I make my party ideas look good and the other party ides look bad
THEY ARE THE SAME PARTY
Trump isn't about showing how bad Clinton/Sanders would be, he's about fixing the country, period. You can agree or disagree, but he's about shining a light on the idiocy our political system has become, republican or democrat.
While I applaud Pat's exploration into his narcissism fad as of late, if he truly understood the psychological disorder, he'd know Cruz would be the one closer resembling and identifying with narcissism, not Trump.
In fact, Cruz could be the poster child for this new psychological phenomenon.
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward
U dips skipped the business man last time. How's that working out?
Well, I voted for Romney. Unlike Trump, he had prior experience as an elected official. He wasn't the greatest candidate but he would have been worlds better than Obama. I'm not saying Trump would be bad because he's a businessman; I'm saying that being a businessman is no guarantee of being a good president. Some seem to think that if you can make a lot of money you would therefore be a good president. Not necessarily so.
While I applaud Pat's exploration into his narcissism fad as of late, if he truly understood the psychological disorder, he'd know Cruz would be the one closer resembling and identifying with narcissism, not Trump.
In fact, Cruz could be the poster child for this new psychological phenomenon.
New psychological phenomenon? Where have you been the last 7 years?
You guys are just picking the new guy who's promising to fundamentally transform America.
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My biggest beef with Trump, even more than the fact that I don't like him as a candidate and a man, is the fact that he has created an environment where all the republicans are destroying each other. Yeah, I know, attacks happen in every election, but he has proven that there is no floor on how low the process can sink. With the amount of material that they could be focusing on by going after Hillary and Sanders, their wasting their time and money destroying the republican party. We should be evaluating how well they talk about what's wrong with the democrat candidates as a preview to a general election. Instead, this entire process is all about Trump. If he wins, he have a horrible candidate at best that doesn't share our values imo. If he loses, he has made sure that the rest of the republican field is a bloody mess.
The R's have been beating each other down in primaries for a long long time. They do bring up every possible misstep by an opposing candidate to tear them down, and then in a general election, are stuck in a hole with all of their skeletons exposed. Been that way for decades, and it is stupid, as it hinders the whole party.
Trump somehow excels at this though, and slings the most slop in the hog pin. If that is the way they are going to play the game, then that is the way to win it, unfortunately.
Every good salesman knows that the key to closing a deal is tapping emotion and avoiding logic.
There's two types of successful businessmen. One focuses on producing a better product, the other focuses on winning by destroying the competition. It's pretty clear what Trump is.
Worst part is, he does it like some whiny brat you know never got a switch laid to his butt.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
Tearing down the other guy was popular long before they tore into Abe Lincoln (R) for being so ugly.
Politicians are liars, it's really that simple. Some are brilliant and some work long hours, and occasionally one will do something statesmanlike for the good of the country but only if it benefits them as well. But all of the successful ones are great liars, that is their stock in trade.
I was thinking about all of this debating earlier and it brings to mind an image of passengers on the Titanic who, upon seeing themselves in iceberg laden waters, argue vehemently among themselves about whether to play shuffleboard or badminton. They have no say in how the ship is steered but forcing one half of the passengers or the other to play their chosen game gives them a feeling of being in control. But they're all eventually going down together.
Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery. Hit the target, all else is twaddle!
While I applaud Pat's exploration into his narcissism fad as of late, if he truly understood the psychological disorder, he'd know Cruz would be the one closer resembling and identifying with narcissism, not Trump.
In fact, Cruz could be the poster child for this new psychological phenomenon.
Over the edge into the abyss. You're long gone.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
The last Republican businessman to become president with no experience as an elected official was Herbert Hoover. He had been very successful in business and as an appointed administrator. How did that work out?.
Hillary's only experience before becoming Secretary of State was as a senator. The only reason she became a senator was because she was married to Bill Clinton, she had absolutely NO experience before that. Her tenure as a senator was forgettable and her term as Secretary of State was a disaster.
Basically she has no qualifications to be President. To say she's more qualified than Trump is laughable.
Every politician at the national level is an ego maniac/narcissist. Every one of them.
You'd be naive to think otherwise.
A major problem that we have with politicians is that the type we really need to save us, wouldn't put himself through what it takes to run for office and win. The truly humble statesman is not attractive enough to the voters to win an election. That is more the media's and voter's fault than anything.
The last Republican businessman to become president with no experience as an elected official was Herbert Hoover. He had been very successful in business and as an appointed administrator. How did that work out?.
Hillary's only experience before becoming Secretary of State was as a senator. The only reason she became a senator was because she was married to Bill Clinton, she had absolutely NO experience before that. Her tenure as a senator was forgettable and her term as Secretary of State was a disaster.
Basically she has no qualifications to be President. To say she's less qualified than Trump is laughable.
I wasn't referring to Hillary. She would be terrible as president because she is a leftist criminal.
The discussion is about the Republican primary and my point was that just because someone is a successful businessman doesn't necessarily mean they would be a good president. It doesn't necessarily mean they would be bad either. It means that people need to look at other qualities as well as business success to determine who might be a good president.
Those of us who are not enamored with Mr.Trump have been trying to understand why his fans are, for months. We have been confounded by the fact that his past is of no consequence and that his refusal to commit to any agenda other than "Make America Great Again" is enough for so many to carry his torch. It has been said by many that the reason they like him is that he is too wealthy to be corrupted, but that just didn't make much sense. Corrupted from what? Being a democrat? A rival campaign blamed it on "celebrity", and I bought into that for a while, but who watched his game show? If they did, who liked his character?
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned.
I just assumed that folks were not using their critical thinking skills, you know, like democrats. But, you may be onto something.
kwg
For liberals and anarchists, power and control is opium, selling envy is the fastest and easiest way to get it. TRR. American conservative. Never trust a white liberal. Malcom X Current NRA member.
While I applaud Pat's exploration into his narcissism fad as of late, if he truly understood the psychological disorder, he'd know Cruz would be the one closer resembling and identifying with narcissism, not Trump.
In fact, Cruz could be the poster child for this new psychological phenomenon.
that's silly, even for you.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
The last Republican businessman to become president with no experience as an elected official was Herbert Hoover. He had been very successful in business and as an appointed administrator. How did that work out?.
Hillary's only experience before becoming Secretary of State was as a senator. The only reason she became a senator was because she was married to Bill Clinton, she had absolutely NO experience before that. Her tenure as a senator was forgettable and her term as Secretary of State was a disaster.
Basically she has no qualifications to be President. To say she's more qualified than Trump is laughable.
But you can thank CONSERVATIVE Yankees in New York for welcoming her and electing her.
Wasn't it Tennessee that gave us Al Gore and Global warming?
Hey wait a minute...Bill and Hillary were politically "hatched",and developed their corrupt and nefarious political ways....in Arkansas.
Isn't that the "conservative" south? LMAO.
Regardless where they came from, Hillary is utterly incompetent to be president by any objective standard,even though Obama has set the bar so low,almost anyone would be an improvement.
Do you have to register everywhere except Arkansas? Here all you have to do at the ballot box, is tell them which ballot you want in the primaries. The rest of the year, you tell them nothing. miles
Those of us who are not enamored with Mr.Trump have been trying to understand why his fans are, for months. We have been confounded by the fact that his past is of no consequence and that his refusal to commit to any agenda other than "Make America Great Again" is enough for so many to carry his torch. It has been said by many that the reason they like him is that he is too wealthy to be corrupted, but that just didn't make much sense. Corrupted from what? Being a democrat? A rival campaign blamed it on "celebrity", and I bought into that for a while, but who watched his game show? If they did, who liked his character?
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned.
He's popular with the base because he represents a non-establishment voice that has enough personal wealth to overcome the control of the establishment over who can and cannot run for president. The chance for politics to be about who's conservative and who's not has past, at least for the present. We've been asking for conservatives to vote for, and been having the neocon vs liberal choice forced on on for decades. The damage caused by this arrangement has finally become nearly terminal for the nation, so now it's about establishment/internationalism vs non-establishment Americanism. Not enough people are able to be suckered into another phony conservative like Cruz to get one such as him nominated anymore.
U dips skipped the business man last time. How's that working out?
Look dickweed...most of us didn't skip schitt.
The last time, the businessman in question wasn't a democrat until he wasn't...he also hadn't donated money to the likes of hillary, schumer, reid, emanuel...etc. etc....but he still didn't get elected. Before trump made plans to run, he was also in support of the AWB & TPP...etc. etc...Do you really think trump ain't gonna change colors if/when he's elected? He's already admitted he can do what he wants & his supporters won't care...How does Vice President Oprah sound???
I really don't know why it's so hard for some of you guys...
Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
As I stated many times if Trump does what he says he'd be a dream candidate
BUT....I ain't buying what he's selling
Trump's self-assessment that he's "capable of changing to anything I want to change to" also applies to his political "principles." This is a man who's reportedly switched party affiliations five times since the late 1980's. Who's donated to Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Who was pro-choice, was anti-gun, and was (is?) pro-Socialized healthcare. Who identified as a Democrat in the mid-2000's. Who praised Barack Obama and supported his "stimulus" boondoggle. And who criticized Mitt Romney for being too harsh on the issue of immigration in 2012, right around the time that he became a DREAM Act supporter. Now he's ostensibly all about big walls and mass deportations. This bogus transformation is painfully obvious. As I've written before, Trump will be "a conservative" for precisely as long as he perceives that label to be beneficial to Trump, after which he'll morph into The Donald 6.0, or whatever self-serving upgrade we're up to. Even on the central issues that have vaulted him to the top of the GOP polls, he's quite "capable of changing to anything" he wants to change to. He says so himself. His hardcore sycophants will blindly and brutishly go along with literally anything he does -- including murder, he's joked, mocking his own people. But how might the many pro-Trump voters who are more reluctantly in his corner because "at least he'll do X" react if X suddenly changes to Y, at the drop of a hat? Or is thoughtlessly discarded altogether? That's how he operates.
Those of us who are not enamored with Mr.Trump have been trying to understand why his fans are, for months. We have been confounded by the fact that his past is of no consequence and that his refusal to commit to any agenda other than "Make America Great Again" is enough for so many to carry his torch. It has been said by many that the reason they like him is that he is too wealthy to be corrupted, but that just didn't make much sense. Corrupted from what? Being a democrat? A rival campaign blamed it on "celebrity", and I bought into that for a while, but who watched his game show? If they did, who liked his character?
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned.
He's popular with the base because he represents a non-establishment voice that has enough personal wealth to overcome the control of the establishment over who can and cannot run for president. The chance for politics to be about who's conservative and who's not has past, at least for the present. We've been asking for conservatives to vote for, and been having the neocon vs liberal choice forced on on for decades. The damage caused by this arrangement has finally become nearly terminal for the nation, so now it's about establishment/internationalism vs non-establishment Americanism. Not enough people are able to be suckered into another phony conservative like Cruz to get one such as him nominated anymore.
That's a pretty good evaluation. Except I am not convinced that Cruz is a phony when it comes to matters of the Constitution.
What you folks aren't getting is that we are not going to ever get anything like conservative government till the unified establishment is dethroned. Till then, phony conservatism will be held out in front of us like a carrot on a string to trick us into more of the same. The "conservatism" the establishment uses as the carrot is always a mirage. That cycle needs breaking, and that's what Trump support is about.
Wasn't it Tennessee that gave us Al Gore and Global warming?
Hey wait a minute...Bill and Hillary were politically "hatched",and developed their corrupt and nefarious political ways....in Arkansas.
Isn't that the "conservative" south? LMAO.
Regardless where they came from, Hillary is utterly incompetent to be president by any objective standard,even though Obama has set the bar so low,almost anyone would be an improvement.
Lyndon B. Johnson gave us the "Great Society" and didn't he wear cowboy boots, too?
Those of us who are not enamored with Mr.Trump have been trying to understand why his fans are, for months. We have been confounded by the fact that his past is of no consequence and that his refusal to commit to any agenda other than "Make America Great Again" is enough for so many to carry his torch. It has been said by many that the reason they like him is that he is too wealthy to be corrupted, but that just didn't make much sense. Corrupted from what? Being a democrat? A rival campaign blamed it on "celebrity", and I bought into that for a while, but who watched his game show? If they did, who liked his character?
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned.
He's popular with the base because he represents a non-establishment voice that has enough personal wealth to overcome the control of the establishment over who can and cannot run for president. The chance for politics to be about who's conservative and who's not has past, at least for the present. We've been asking for conservatives to vote for, and been having the neocon vs liberal choice forced on on for decades.
Let me clear something up for you...just because Trump has never held elected office does not make him a non establishment candidate...has he or has he not donated money for political causes??? Hell, he gave $50K to Emanuel for a frikkin Mayoral race!!! Has he or has he not been on numerous television talk shows talking about divisive issues like partial birth abortions, TPP, NAFTA & the assault weapons ban???
This was well before his running for office...
He may not be an establishment candidate in the conventional sense, but his record indicates he is very much part of the "establishment"...for which party, is open to speculation...
The "conservatism" the establishment uses as the carrot is always a mirage. That cycle needs breaking, and that's what Trump support is about.
That's what he wants you to think...his actions of the past (his record) indicates otherwise...In fact, he's said numerous times that he'd be able to "make deals" on both sides of the aisle...don't you LISTEN to what he SAYS???
Southern democrats have largely gone away, whilst Yankee democrats are breeding like rabbits.
Well you guys best get busy.
dave
Why aren't all you conservative Yankees taking control? You only have a few million to catch up with in NY. In the meantime, keep feeding your tax money to the democrats in charge.
Tryen Outnumbered by erie,pigsburgh,scranton,philly. Southwestern NY state would succeed from the rest of the chit if they could. There has been talk of it..
As I've said before, I'll be voting for Cruz in the primary and I'm PRETTY sure the wife will too. She's still leaning Rubio but I'm working on her.
I fully expect Cruz to take TN. You figure Cruz will take NY?
Nope I figure Trump takes NY but I'll do my part so it doesn't happen. But Yankee's will be Yankee's and Trump is a NY'er that is liberal and spoke up for their "NY values"
Of course he'll take NY. Do you think Trump would/could beat Hillary/Sanders in the general election in NY? Do you think Cruz could beat Hillary/Sanders in the general election in NY?
Trump goes down to his work site and gets his political advice from his construction workers. Its not educated but it is meant to be.
I'm one of those poor uneducated construction workers. At 48 years of age I managed to save a large sum and my property and home are paid for. Im preparing for early semi retirement. After this year I'll be working 1 to 2 days a week and enjoying life.
Meanwhile the so called educated people who don't know how to live within there means have put us all 21 trillion in dept!
Perhaps if I had a little less common sense and a little more education I would have dug myself deep into dept, worked till the day I die, and then passed on my burden of brilliance to my children.
1.8 GNP average for the last 15 years, Bush left with 10 trillion debt accumulated by all other presidents and Obama will leave with 20 trillion plus over doubling that in his terms. Bush started with a 54% debt/GNP ratio, left with a 67%, Obama has taken us over 100%. We might have a couple breaths of life left, maybe. Politics as usual will not solve this. Private sector vs public sector... Pragmatic vs idealistic. Only public sector would think they offer more individual freedom than private sector. 'Officiating freedom'... oxymoron. Trump is worth 4 billion. Which means as a production businessman he has created 40 billion in the economy with the structural build and billions more with the continuation of services rendered. 75 to 100 billion total. Not bad for what he started with. He has created more than Bloomberg who takes money out through wallstreet. He's a builder not just in the physical sense. There are billions in investment money that spurs development being sat on or moved out of country since the economy collapse of 2007. It's been trickling back in despite Obama as economies start finding cracks to work in. Trump doesn't have to enact or do anything but win for that money to flood back in. The smell of profit will bring it. Trump will force both Mexico and China to the negotiating table, they will be forced into concessions by threat of tariffs. Congress will follow Trump. He is a billionaire that's given them money before and after he'll still be a billionaire giving money to those that helped him. Public sector is in it for the long haul. He will start reversing the debt, spur business and profit, reverse illegal immigration, rebuild the military and national defense. His SC picks will have to support the same policies plus staunch capitalism. Doesn't leave much room for socialism nominees. I know public sector folks can't figure why the rest of us are unhappy with being officiated by professional politicians... we should all just shut up and stay in line. Kent
Since they passed NAFTA 20 years ago 60000 manufacturing plants have closed nation wide.NAFTA alone cost us 900000 manufacturing jobs. CAFTA with the chi-coms an an order of magnitude worse. No natural disaster or foreign invasion could cause this much damage to our economy.Owned politicians from both sides did. Now republicans are pushing TPP. Any trade bill negotiated by kun-ton and backed to the hilt by republicans.Supported by the raghead.Is bound to be a disaster. And people wonder why we are broke. Just how am I supposed to support any political party dead set on economic suicide? I want a government that fights for every job.Every American job. The only one I see running for president, even talking about it, is Trump.
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