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If you don't disrupt CNS< its not DRT. Simple as that.
YOu can get DRT, IE dying in place and not moving, at other times but its not 100% reliable.
Just when we started to believe the 257 wtby had some magic to it, and no deer we had shot had gone over 20 steps.... bingo my buddy and I each shot one that went well over 100.... You never know. And then this past fall I shot the biggest buck I"ve ever seen, he did not make it 20 steps... like I said you never know. At least my buddy was happy I used the 257 instead of the suppressed gun since he was truly once in a lifetime buck.
I operate on the theory that an animal is going to run unless I"m head shooting. I prepare for that.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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If you don't disrupt CNS< its not DRT. Simple as that.
YOu can get DRT, IE dying in place and not moving, at other times but its not 100% reliable.
The inferior vena cava is the largest blood vessel in mammals, it is a very thin-walled, low pressure vessel that returns all of the blood from the lower body back to the heart. If you puncture it, you get an instantaneous/marked drop in blood pressure. Google Starling's Law to understand this. A Berger, placed on or right behind the shoulder, will most often produce enough fragment to puncture the vena cava or the aortic arch, which will have the same result but probably take a few second longer for B/P to drop enough for the animal to go down. You are correct that "speed kills", that makes modern bullets perform, but once you have enough for the bullet to work (IE 308) more ain't any better.
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I have used from 20 gauge pumpkin balls (slugs)up to 300 WSM for White Tail; my favorite has been either my 25-06 or 7mm-08.
Now with the loads\bullets for the 6.5 Creedmoor available I could easily go with a 6.5C...
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an efficiency expert will tell u that the best would be one that uses the least powder to do the job. so the short action calibers have the advantage. 308,7mm08,260,243, types.personally i now after 54 years of deer hunting use a 270,but the only mag i have ever used is a 7mm mag ,but just 1 year,i did use a 25-06 for 15 years,and a 30-06 for 10 years
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If you don't disrupt CNS< its not DRT. Simple as that.
YOu can get DRT, IE dying in place and not moving, at other times but its not 100% reliable.
The inferior vena cava is the largest blood vessel in mammals, it is a very thin-walled, low pressure vessel that returns all of the blood from the lower body back to the heart. If you puncture it, you get an instantaneous/marked drop in blood pressure. Google Starling's Law to understand this. A Berger, placed on or right behind the shoulder, will most often produce enough fragment to puncture the vena cava or the aortic arch, which will have the same result but probably take a few second longer for B/P to drop enough for the animal to go down. You are correct that "speed kills", that makes modern bullets perform, but once you have enough for the bullet to work (IE 308) more ain't any better. 243 netted me more non CNS DRT shots by FAR than I've EVER seen out of my 308. And I can shoot better with the 308 than I was capable of with the 243..... 185 berger around 2500 fps in 308 is more destruction almost than I care for. I don't care if the deer skips off anyway, I actually prefer it that way even more now that I have a dog that trails... keeps him on his toes. Might have even thought about hitting a few a bit further back just for practice but luckily others that I hunt with manage that without trying...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Federal fusion 120's in the chest is almost always DRT..... Right behind the shoulder. I hate to ruin meat. I like neck shots also. Wished they would sell them to reloaders. Hard to find sometimes.
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Some days I wish there WAS just one. Then again, there would only be 2 threads on this website.
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No. 1 - If you don't disrupt CNS< its<< not>> DRT. Simple as that.
YOu<< can>> get DRT, IE dying in place and not moving, at other times but its not 100% reliable.
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243 netted me <<more non CNS DRT>> shots by FAR than I've
EVER seen out of my 308.
I started to point this out this afternoon BEFORE the last post, but this one did it. EITHER you can get DRT without CNS or you can not. Jeff - I don't know what you 'mean' but I do know that you CAN NOT have it both ways. Personally I've had many DRTs WITHOUT hitting CNS but it is NOT 100% - I agree with that. Where I'm hunting since 2012, I and the deer are TOO close to fences that I don't have permission to cross SO I always go for CNS whenever possible. Head/Neck/Spine shots are 100% IF you connect. Jerry
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Interesting thread.
I would submit that it is the one you enjoy using the most.
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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There aint no "best"... but theres a chitload of darn good ones.
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I let the platform dictate what cartridge. Liked my 7 mag BDL, my .30-06 760, my .35 Rem TC, .44 mag ruger auto. Even the most cool, odd or fun.........isn't the best (because interest changes, even within season). Pick a few and have fun with them all 
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Personally ive shot deer with 270,280,30-06,7mm08,308,7 remmag,300winmag,3030,444marlin,& 45-70.
I own several diffrent calibors i use in diffrent situations but more and more i find myself toteing my rem 700 7mm08 loaded with 139gr interlocks. I honestly cant think of a better all around deer round that has the ability to take any deer from close to far and not beat you to death doing it.
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I've spent most of my hunting career on the quest for the best. I used another different cartridge this year (along with some of the old stuff) and it killed just like all the others! My first and only two with the 6.5x55.... ![[Linked Image]](http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l639/shortactionsmoker/4DFDD7C0-FDCD-45C7-B806-E3EC62BA8F9F.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l639/shortactionsmoker/ACAC2620-51DA-4C24-9FF6-BAB696BA33E0.jpg)
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Let's see, I stared in the early 60's.
1. 30-30
2. 308
3. 6/284
4. 25/285
5. 243
6. 270 win
7. 7m/m wby
8. 223
9. 357
10. 7m/m rem
11. 300wby
12. 270wby
13. 22-250
14. 257wby
I ve used all the above but my 2 favorites are to 6/284 and the 270wby. Both shoot really flat over 350 yards. Hasbeen
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Guess I'm just an old fuddy-duddy.
These days, it's either 223 or 308 and when I have a wild hair, 243 Win (the not-AI).
I have had/tried
22-250
243 AI
260
6,5X55
6.5 Creedmoor
264 Win Mag
7mm-08
7X57
7 WSM
7 Rem Mag
7mm dakota
30-30
307 Marlin
300 Savage
308 win
30-06
300 Win Mag
300 Bee
300 H&H
300 Dakota
338 Win Mag
340 bee
340 Dakota
35 Whelan
375 H&H
375 Bee
9.3X62
375
My observation has been everything hit died, but with today's bullets (and a few shoulder surgeries), I just can't see any need to go over a 308 with 155 Secnars.
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Between myself and regular hunting friends we have used all of the following: Recall two deer lost 6.5x55 and 45-70 go figure. All of the rest have been one shot and at most a 50 yd trail job. All std cup & core bullets or cast.
243
257 robts
250 sav
6.5x55
270
7x57
30-30
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30-06
303
44 mag
45-70
577-450
450-400
577 martini
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54 cal cal rb
58 cal rb
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I have killed deer sized game with .243, 25-06,.260, 7mm mauser,7 mm rem mag.30-06,8x57 , .338 win.,.458 win. and .50 cal muzzle loaders. The most DRT I had were with the .260 and the .338. Similar performance and no tracking.
The least spectacular of all of them was the .458 . poked a hole through and they wandered off 50-75 yds.
Of course bullets and more importantly shot placement meant more then the headstamp.
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Guess I'm just an old fuddy-duddy.
These days, it's either 223 or 308 and when I have a wild hair, 243 Win (the not-AI).
My observation has been everything hit died, but with today's bullets (and a few shoulder surgeries), I just can't see any need to go over a 308 with 155 Secnars. The above bears repeating.
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