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Guess I'm just an old fuddy-duddy.
These days, it's either 223 or 308 and when I have a wild hair, 243 Win (the not-AI).
My observation has been everything hit died, but with today's bullets (and a few shoulder surgeries), I just can't see any need to go over a 308 with 155 Secnars.
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The .243 was voted best deer cartridge by NRA, SCI, DHA, GFC, MDHA, and BCBH.
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The .243 was voted best deer cartridge by NRA, SCI, DHA, GFC, MDHA, and BCBH. I can believe that. As I said I love my .260's. Same case just alttle bigger bullet. Nice light, low recoil and compact......
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My first deer was taken with an 06 at a little over 100 yards. Then I switched to the 35 Rem for a bunch of years. Then I bought my first Savage 99 in 250 and have used it for about 20 years. This coming year I'm trying for the Savage "Slam", one deer in each of the 4 Savage cartridges. The first one I'm taking out is a 1912 model in 22 Hi-Power. One that almost got away was the first buck I ever heard grunt. He walked up a trail about 35 yards away dead broadside, but all I could see was his neck and head. I thought it was the biggest rack I'd ever seen. Took a rest and shot through the neck. He took off and ran about 50 yards and stopped on the trail I followed to my stand. Facing straight away from me, I shot him in the base of the neck, DRT. Turned out to be 98 pounds dressed. The giant rack was about the size of your hands spread with your thumbs touching, and pinkies pointing straight out, maybe 9 or 10 inch spread. The first shot poked a big hole in one side and out the other side of the neck, but missed the spine. That was my Marlin 336 in 35 Rem. That was the only neck shot I've ever made that was not a DRT, Joe.
I'm not greedy, I just want one of each.
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Yep, my boss claims neck shots kill instantly every time... ONLY if you hit it right...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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My son shot a .308 in his early years and it impressed me sitting beside him.
A wonderful short range round is the .38-55. We used them in the Mississippi primitive season for a while and four of us killed 40+ deer with the .38 and never lost one. Very little recoil.
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You know what they , the second thing to go . I forgot these
1. 303 Brit
2 6/47
3. 25-06
4. 30.06
5. 357 Max
6. 218 Bee
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The most DRT I had were with the .260 For whatever reason- me too. I wouldn't dare argue it as the definitive rule but compared to everything else I have used it is uncanny.
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The most DRT I had were with the .260 and the .338.
Of course bullets and more importantly shot placement meant more then the headstamp. kenjs1 - Wyo said, "260 AND 338" Wyo - I have had DRTs with many diff cartridges and you are ALSO correct about 'placement'. I have had more DRTs % since 2012 than before BECAUSE... where I'm hunting I NEED to hit CNS because of Private Property boundaries. When you connect with CNS regardless of cartridge/caliber it's all over but the WORK. Jerry
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And I agreed on the 260 bit. I can't comment on the 338. (You don't think he used them simultaneously do you?  ) I don't take head or neck shots, I always try for double lung and think that was rather implied by the OP.
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kenjs1 - Honestly - I am not interested in 'arguing'. Below is the OP. Guy did not mention rib/lung shots. This DRT facet has entered after the OP. I didn't read to find out WHEN it did, it's not that important to me. And I'm NOT dissin the 260 either. I've had DRTs with virtually every cartridge/cal I've used and NONE can be counted on 100% EXCEPT with CNS. That was my main point. How many times have we seen that, or some version of it, plastered all over the cover of a hunting/shooting magazine?
We have a handful of different deer species/types here in North America. Whitetail, blacktail, mule deer and variations of those. Yes, I'm leaving out elk, moose, caribou, zebra and unicorns.
Arguments rage. Tempers flare. Thousands are spent on new rifles. New cartridges. New bullets! Handloaders tinker with loads, refining them from .55" groups to .50" groups and rejoicing! Water jugs are blown up, punctured, defiled. Ballistic gel is smashed. Engineers and marketing types debate over the best color of plastic tip to adorn the latest bullet... Rifles are made in stainless, blued, and even camo-dipped finishes....
It's all kind of silly. But an awful lot of fun. Deer fall, as they always have, to a well placed hit. From pretty much anything. Personally, I have used, or seen used:
The remarkable thing about that list? The deer all made it to the freezer, just fine. No cartridge failures. No bullet failures. Just meat on the table, and antlers on the wall if so equipped.
Pick the rifle, handgun, shotgun that makes you smile when you pick it up, when you just think about taking it afield, and in which you have confidence.
There ya go - Guy being realistic this morning. Meanwhile, back to coffee!
Guy Jerry
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Argument?
Honestly no argument from me Jwall. Sorry if it came across that way. Your last post of course is compeletely true. None are going to 100%
I read the posts and thought of course you get DRT with CNS so no reason to question that so I figured ribs were 'implied'. Didn't take it as you dissing the 260 at all. I don't get balled up if someone has a different favorite than mine anyway. Be pretty boring around here if we didn't. I just have no info on a 338 but have weirdly consistent results from a 260 -and honestly can't explain why. Of course all future deer I shoot may run for miles with it and things will even out. Hope not but..
All the best.
When a country is well governed, poverty and a mean condition are something to be ashamed of. When a country is ill governed, riches and honors are something to be ashamed of
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ken -
I didn't think you were arguing. I just wanted to say that I was NOT arguing either.
We are good.
Jerry
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I have used a bunch from small fast to big and slow and in between....the 30-06 and 7-08 have preformed the best day in and day out....but I must say the swift with heavy bullets is like a lightning bolt...
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The CENTER will hold.
Reality, Patriotism,Trump: you can only pick two
FÜCK PUTIN!
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Yes it is, but for all ranges up to 400 yds?? Not my pick. Jerry
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.240 Weatherby is my favorite. 30-06 would be my second favorite.
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8x57 is my favorite cartridge and my favorite rifle to carry is a .308 Win(Savage 99e) but, nothing I've used on deer has put them down as fast and clean as my .270 Winchester so I guess I'll vote .270.
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I been using a 30-06 all my life for deer but i took the leap into a 7mm08 for my primary deer rifle. Havent hunted with it yet on deer but so far my range work has went well and I am enjoying shooting a rifle with less kick. I have few worries about its ability on deer based on the feed back from those of you who have used it.
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