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Im going to buy my brother a handy rifle for around his cabin and the long walks with the dogs he takes along with wood gathering and such.
North Idaho/Montana/Canadian border.
Figured a sweet lil lever action would be nice. Not sure how big in caliber. Maybe a Shotgun? I always figured a Handy .338RCM and a scope with quick detatch rings might be fun. Pretty sure he's been stumblin around with a side arm and bear spray on his trips...
Anyways, thoughts?
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Who makes a handy lever action in 45-70?
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Marlin. I thought about the 450 marlin. Then again I thought maybe a 444Marlin thinking he'd shoot it more...
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The .450 Marlin has been getting kinda hard to find brass (or ammo) for. If looking at a .444, the more versatile ones would have the 1/20 Ballard rifling, that would allow some real heavyweights, though the micro-groove 1/38 can work with some 300 grain hardcast bullets. The 265 grain Hornady and 270 Speer work good with the 1/38, and are excellent jacketed bullets for big game.
A Guide gun in .45-70 is something to look at, also. There are some mild factory loadings available, along with some pretty stout boutique offerings, and handloading that round makes for a bunch of possibilities.
Any of the 3 cartridges mentioned will have some amount of recoil with the heavier loadings.
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Ruger Gunsite Scout stoked with 220 gr Corelocts or TSX's. No scope, just run the irons. It'll weigh 6# on the nose with an empty magazine. Handy as a pocket on a shirt.
I also would not be afraid to carry a Rossi 16in SS 92 lever in 357 with 180's.
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Who makes a handy lever action in 45-70? Marlin has done special runs of 16in SS guns for Davidsons IIRC. It still weighed 7#. The GSR is lighter.
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If you run across a Trapper lever in 44 or 45 Colt, that would be a fine choice. They're easier to shoot than heavy loaded 45-70 or similar, and, with hard-cast heavy bullets, you've got plenty of penetrating power. (And the mags also hold a handful of ammo versus about 4 in the 45-70/450.)
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You're looking for something that he'll actually carry. After awhile, toting a rifle around gets tiresome. If the gizzlies and wolves were encountered that often, he'd be actively looking for something to deal with any problem. That said,
The problems come at halitosis distance and, frankly, rifles are a mite easier to use when you've got a bit of separation betwixt you and the target. So, go for a pistol. Now is where the suggestion is far different from everybody else's. Get a decent 1911A1 and kit it out in .450 Rowland. Then carry it cocked and locked. That's 9 rounds of .44 Mag equivalent in a package that is much easier for most folk to control than a revolver. Too, it is a bit sleeker to carry.
If he wants, as he should, to practice with it, he can get a .22LR conversion kit for cheap shooting, use the original ACP barrel for fun, and the bear medicine, all in one package.
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When a bear's coming in fast, the time between max handgun range and being eaten is a split second.
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A 10mm Glock carries 16 rounds of 200gr FMJ ready to go. I think they're already making some inroads into the market for wilderness belt guns.
Among rifles, the guide guns are pretty popular in Alaska, where they oughta know.
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I like handguns and have a few, but when I wander the backcountry, I most likely have a rifle of some flavor. anything from an AR with 62 gr. TSXs to a .375 RUM, depending on the anticipated threat level and my mood when I gather my gear. but, it's all about what makes your bro feel comfortable in the woods. a stainless Rossi/Puma in .454 Casull can be had for ~$600-$650. or on the other end of the scale, I'd consider a Bighorn Armory model 89 in .500 S&W. Rossi 92 on GB ![[Linked Image]](http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/546189000/546189610/pix827330207.jpg) Bighorn Armory ![[Linked Image]](http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/Joe49ae/image.jpg2_zpszhz0wllj.jpg)
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I'm thinking that I'd rather be throwing a load of 00 buck and mix in a slug in a stainless pump 12 ga than depend on a pistol caliber to save my life. To me it is much easier to hit something with a shotgun than a pistol every time. With this gun you carry a few rounds of bird shot and you can fetch dinner from your walk now and then too. If it shoots slugs well you have a short range deer, moose, caribou gun as well. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=545222923
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Carrying a gun all the time, for everything can get pretty old. How about bear spray? Easier to hit with it than with a handgun or rifle if the bear is charging. You don't have to fight a legal battle when you use it, either.
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You did not "seen" anything, you "saw" it.
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I'd think that the firearm is in addition to bear spray.
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I went to Bighorn Armory's site and looked at their offerings. They sure make a nice-looking rifle, but after buying one, I couldn't afford the boots to walk in.....
I'd love one of those rifles in .454 Casull.
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I'm a bolt gun guy, but I think a stainless Rossi 92 with a 16" barrel in 45 Colt would be handy and easy to carry at 4.8 lbs. Holds 8 in the tube. 20" version is right at 5 lbs and holds 10 in the tube.
I shoot one in .357 and it's a lot of fun.
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I'd think that the firearm is in addition to bear spray. This is a fact. Montana thinks it knows how to handle bears with bear spray. Go to Alaska where they really have Griz and they are all trained with firearms and carry them. Best thing is to shoot the bear then spray him so it looks like you tried to play fair...
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Not exactly.
A lot of people think a firearm is far more effective than spray, but on average spray works as well, and often better. One of the classic Montana examples occurred a few years ago, when a couple of bowhunters bumped into a sow grizzly with cubs, and sow showed signs of aggression. One of the bowhunters had a .45 semiauto and started shooting, wounding the sow, which charged, knock him down and started chewing. The other bowhunter had a spray bottle and chased the sow off with it.
Hunters like to cite instances where spray doesn't work, but statistically it works around 90% of the time. I know several people that have used it here and it worked in every one of those instances.
I've also been to Alaska a lot, and many guides (especially when fishing) carry both spray and a firearm, and often only the spray. Some also issue a spray bottle to each fishing client, just in case.
Yes, a firearm will work, but only if you hit a seriously charging bear in exactly the right place. Not many handgunners can do that, despite what most think, especially on a charging bear. A shotgun will also work, but only with tough slugs; most buckshot and slug loads don't penetrate enough. A rifle is usually most effective, but spray doesn't demand the precision of a well-placed shot.
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Not exactly.
A lot of people think a firearm is far more effective than spray, but on average spray works as well, and often better. One of the classic Montana examples occurred a few years ago, when a couple of bowhunters bumped into a sow grizzly with cubs, and sow showed signs of aggression. One of the bowhunters had a .45 semiauto and started shooting, wounding the sow, which charged, knock him down and started chewing. The other bowhunter had a spray bottle and chased the sow off with it.
Hunters like to cite instances where spray doesn't work, but statistically it works around 90% of the time. I know several people that have used it here and it worked in every one of those instances.
I've also been to Alaska a lot, and many guides (especially when fishing) carry both spray and a firearm, and often only the spray. Some also issue a spray bottle to each fishing client, just in case.
Yes, a firearm will work, but only if you hit a seriously charging bear in exactly the right place. Not many handgunners can do that, despite what most think, especially on a charging bear. A shotgun will also work, but only with tough slugs; most buckshot and slug loads don't penetrate enough. A rifle is usually most effective, but spray doesn't demand the precision of a well-placed shot.
I wish I agreed with this... but after using spray twice and seeing it fail twice I have faith in it only for young dumb bears (the most common problem, granted) that are not really aggressive. Serious bears need something a lot more lethal. The claims of success need to be checked pretty carefully as people often let fly on bears in situations where the bear was never going to do anything anyway. There have been many successful spray reports on bears 40 yards and more away...
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I'd think that the firearm is in addition to bear spray. This is a fact. Montana thinks it knows how to handle bears with bear spray. Go to Alaska where they really have Griz and they are all trained with firearms and carry them. Best thing is to shoot the bear then spray him so it looks like you tried to play fair... Fortunately, here we say "I was afraid" and there is no way you will have to make any other excuse for shooting a bear. But the playing fair aspect is something to keep in mind.
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