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.....which factory rifle do you suggest?
Looking to supplement my stash of bolt action rifles with an AR-15 in 5.56. Ideally gun is factory and off the shelf at a major sporting good store. Knowing next to nothing about gas guns I'm tapping the infinite wisdom of the 'fire. Primary use will be varmints and range practice.
So, what say you?
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Varmints like coyotes at 100yards or gophers at 400?
Range practice like tiny groups on paper or hitting steel at 300yards?
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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Colt 6920, Daniel Defense.
Also, handle whatever a bit. If it comes with a quad rail you may or may not like that.
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Colt, 6920, Sig M400, Stag, S&W M&P........usually readily available for something between $850ish to around $1,100.
Daniel Defense if you want to spend a little more money.
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Daniel Defense, spend the extra money.
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Varmints like coyotes at 100yards or gophers at 400?
Range practice like tiny groups on paper or hitting steel at 300yards?
Yep, begs an answer.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Varmints like coyotes at 100yards or gophers at 400?
Range practice like tiny groups on paper or hitting steel at 300yards?
Gophers at 400 yards. Also a fan of tiny grouos.
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Lots of votes for Daniel Defense. I'll have to do some research. Anyone know who sells them in the PNW?
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gophers at 400 and tiny groups, then you are serious.
Serious enough that you are risking it buying a rack gun....
You don't need to buy big name either but you can.
My suggestion get in touch with a couple of top notch AR smiths, Dtech, and White Oak Precision and there may be more... and have a discussion.
I'm thinking what you need is a built upper at a minimum from the sound of it.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Varmints like coyotes at 100yards or gophers at 400?
Range practice like tiny groups on paper or hitting steel at 300yards?
Gophers at 400 yards. Also a fan of tiny grouos. Go ahead and ignore all the advice you got except what Rost said. I'm not even sure why people bothered answering, especially if they're gonna answer with a brand and no model.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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Varmints like coyotes at 100yards or gophers at 400?
Range practice like tiny groups on paper or hitting steel at 300yards?
Gophers at 400 yards. Also a fan of tiny grouos. It's not likely to be off the shelf. As Rost says, a custom build will likely be necessary.
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His"new" objectives & "an off the shelf, rack gun", are a little bit mutually exclusive...........but it can be done. Besides the custom route as Rost 495 suggests, there are some high end ready made guns that will get him there but it doesn't sound like he wants to pay that kind of money. About the lowest end "rack" gun that will provide what he wants (that's still a little vague) is the Stag Varmint rifle at around $1,100........IIRC, they will guarantee a 3 (or maybe it's a 5) shot group into an inch...........obviously not quite up to the 10 shot standard called for here, but pretty good nonetheless. MM
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Stag model 6 will do all he asks for about a grand. Only drawback is on the heavy side. The gaurantee is 1/2" at 100 and neither of the two I've shot had problems with that in the real world.. Both mine and my brothers hung well in the black rifle challenge.
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JP rifles will hold a good gopher shooter also www.jprifles.com
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Gophers at 400 and a fan of tiny groups does not equal chrome lined barrel...
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dye7,
Blue and rost gave you some good advice. I would just add that you shouldn't try to make one rifle do all things. I'm guessing here, so this may not apply to you specifically, but if you want a bench gun... then get one that will shoot tacks. Pick the barrel of your choice, but don't complain if it's heavy.
On the other hand, if you want a handy-dandy varmint/coyote upper, then get one. But don't complain if it don't shoot absolute bugholes, day-in-day-out, week-after-week.
It's easy to fall into a trap where we try to make one rifle do more than it can. Life is much simpler if we set realistic goals. You may need two different rifles or uppers. Or maybe not.
You're just getting your feet wet so I wouldn't worry too much. Tackle the high priority needs first and it should fall into place, but if you try to make one upper do all things you'll probably not be happy.
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Gophers at 400 and a fan of tiny groups does not equal chrome lined barrel... Yep. Daniels are very reliable, but not tack drivers... for less money and better groups, try... https://armalite.com/shop/m-15-target-rifle/
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Gophers at 400 and a fan of tiny groups does not equal chrome lined barrel... Truth.
Blue and rost gave you some good advice. I would just add that you shouldn't try to make one rifle do all things. I'm guessing here, so this may not apply to you specifically, but if you want a bench gun... then get one that will shoot tacks. Pick the barrel of your choice, but don't complain if it's heavy.
On the other hand, if you want a handy-dandy varmint/coyote upper, then get one. But don't complain if it don't shoot absolute bugholes, day-in-day-out, week-after-week.
It's easy to fall into a trap where we try to make one rifle do more than it can. Life is much simpler if we set realistic goals. You may need two different rifles or uppers. Or maybe not.
You're just getting your feet wet so I wouldn't worry too much. Tackle the high priority needs first and it should fall into place, but if you try to make one upper do all things you'll probably not be happy.
And more truth. Besides, a guy needs more than one AR, just like potato chips, hard to have just one. And all that money needs to stay in circulation................ MM
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Last weekend I was popping clay pigeons on the 300 yard berm with my Rock River LAR-15 with 16" barreled 'Coyote' upper. This with a 2x scope. The only customization was the trigger had been replaced with a Ruger Elite 452.
Pigeons at 500 and I was wasting my time and bullets, but not by much (misses were close, just not close enough). Probably would have done better with higher powered scope.
At 600 yards I couldn't even tell where the bullets were hitting.
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At 600 yards I couldn't even tell where the bullets were hitting.
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White Oak makes wonderful uppers - I had one of their service class ones when I was going to compete in CMP and it was the bees knees.
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They've never let me down... even a pulled used barrel rechambered once, was shooting under MOA on a hunting upper....
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Three things are needed for a precise shooting AR- -Quality barrel -A bolt matched to the barrel assembly -Quality ammo
Dye, check out Rainier Arms. They have a store in Washington, carry some high quality parts along with barrels that are known to shoot lights out, are knowledgeable and have great customer service. They also have a website you can peruse
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White Oak makes wonderful uppers - I had one of their service class ones when I was going to compete in CMP and it was the bees knees. Never a bad choice! John Holliger and I have a top secret project going right now. Hopefully I'll be able to unveil it in a few weeks.
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Fulton armory! They are still around.....
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