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Kimber QC On the skids again #11093501 04/03/16
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,993 Colorado S smokepole OP Campfire 'Bwana
OP smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,993 Colorado	I picked up a new 84L this past winter, in 280 Ackley. Finally got out to the range this afternoon and shot it for the first time. Loaded up some 150 Scenars with a few different powders. The first two 3-shot groups out of the rifle were with IMR 7977 and 7828, and missed the bulls-eye by a wide margin. Shot the group on the bottom first, way off. Adjusted the scope, and I still was off the bull. Could be because I didn't bother to bed it or do any of the "Kimber tweaks" I've been reading so much about. Could've also been because the new brass had a little more runout than ideal. I sure wish Kimber would get their act together. A wise man is frequently humbled.

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Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11093579 04/03/16
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tedthorn Campfire Outfitter Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 10,810 South East Missouri	Glad to see your money was well spent and your time un wasted Some have not been as fortunate Maker of the Frankenstud Sling Keeper

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again tedthorn #11093600 04/03/16
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OP smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,993 Colorado	I know, they're a vocal lot. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11093602 04/03/16
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4th_point Campfire Tracker 4 Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,874 Oregon	Kimber Roulette... shoulda bought a T3 Tikkler

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again 4th_point #11093604 04/03/16
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OP smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,993 Colorado	Originally Posted by 4th_point Kimber Roulette... shoulda bought a T3 Tikkler Is that French? A wise man is frequently humbled.

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Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11093787 04/03/16
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WhelenAway Campfire Tracker W Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,618	TTT for the guy asking about the best lightweight rifle under $1K. FÜCK Jeff_O! MAGA

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11093883 04/03/16
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Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11093902 04/03/16
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WhelenAway Campfire Tracker W Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,618	My first Kimber was probably within the first 100 8400 WSM rifles they produced. And since then I have owned dozens of Kimber rifles. No problems. Some guys just aren't lucky with guns I guess. FÜCK Jeff_O! MAGA

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11093917 04/03/16
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 47,943 Battle Born B bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana
bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 47,943 Battle Born	Originally Posted by smokepole I picked up a new 84L this past winter, in 280 Ackley. Finally got out to the range this afternoon and shot it for the first time. Loaded up some 150 Scenars with a few different powders. The first two 3-shot groups out of the rifle were with IMR 7977 and 7828, and missed the bulls-eye by a wide margin. Shot the group on the bottom first, way off. Adjusted the scope, and I still was off the bull. Could be because I didn't bother to bed it or do any of the "Kimber tweaks" I've been reading so much about. Could've also been because the new brass had a little more runout than ideal. I sure wish Kimber would get their act together. You can sell that POS to me, I'll bed it and do the other Kimber tweaks to get her to shooting better.... Originally Posted by raybass I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Originally Posted by Pharmseller You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again Sako #11093972 04/03/16
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OP smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,993 Colorado	Originally Posted by Sako Must be nice coming to the party late... This ain't my first Montana. They've all been good. A wise man is frequently humbled.

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Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11093989 04/03/16
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Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11094257 04/03/16
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bwinters Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,832 Smoky Mountains, TN	WOW - does that suck! Dibs............. <G> Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11094308 04/03/16
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30338 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,350 Denver	Load some real hunting bullets and give it a try. Scenars are for stunt shooters....

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11094336 04/03/16
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Coyote_Hunter Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,651 6491 Feet Above Sea Level	If I didn't already have a .280 I'd offer to take that POS off your hands. Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE! No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's. A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again 30338 #11094351 04/03/16
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OP smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,993 Colorado	Originally Posted by 30338 Load some real hunting bullets and give it a try. Scenars are for stunt shooters.... I'm hoping to be a stunt shooter. I put in for a unit 61 bear tag, should draw one, we'll see. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11094376 04/03/16
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30338 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,350 Denver	I imagine you'll get your chance in there. Good luck.

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11094418 04/03/16
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1Nut Campfire Regular Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,601 A little further North...	Smoke, That's horrible. Dang thing just can't find the bull. I've been doing some gunsmithing on the side. Send it to me and I'll fix it free of charge. Should have the work done and back to you in about 7 years. Nut Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again 1Nut #11094438 04/03/16
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OP smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,993 Colorado	Seven years? No problem, it's a small price to pay to get this thing to shoot. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11094548 04/03/16
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lastround Campfire Tracker Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 6,518 Western Kentucky	Those damned Kimbers.............. If we live long enough, we all have regrets. But the ones that nag at us the most are the ones in which we know we had a choice. Doug

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11094728 04/04/16
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Canazes9 Campfire Regular C Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 2,926 Louisiana	Very nice. Have any idea how fast you are pushing your Scenars? David

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11094817 04/04/16
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,475 Calgary, AB, Canada Jordan Smith Campfire Outfitter
Jordan Smith Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,475 Calgary, AB, Canada	You do realize Kimber has an MOA guarantee now, right?? That thing is clearly not shooting within 1 MOA of the bull, so send it back. Kimber should have it repaired and back to you within 7 years, and that way you don't have to hope 1Nut gives your rifle back :Grin:

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again Canazes9 #11094833 04/04/16
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OP smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,993 Colorado	Originally Posted by Canazes9 Very nice. Have any idea how fast you are pushing your Scenars? David Those groups were right at 2,900, and I got up to just over 3,000 at the top end with good accuracy. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again Jordan Smith #11094845 04/04/16
Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,601 A little further North... 1Nut Campfire Regular
1Nut Campfire Regular Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,601 A little further North...	Originally Posted by Jordan Smith You do realize Kimber has an MOA guarantee now, right?? That thing is clearly not shooting within 1 MOA of the bull, so send it back. Kimber should have it repaired and back to you within 7 years, and that way you don't have to hope 1Nut gives your rifle back :Grin: COME ON MAN! I'm sure Smoke wasn't on to my plan. Then you had to go and say all that. Would have been the perfect 'hikin'-for- elk' rifle. Now I may have to get one of my own since 308 just isn't enough (or so I will tell the wife). Laffin' Nut Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11094847 04/04/16
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jwall Campfire Ranger J Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas	Originally Posted by smokepole Those groups were right at 2,900, and I got up to just over 3,000 at the top end with good accuracy. Smokey - that sounds pretty good to me w/o hot rodding. I know the 270 Win will push 150 grs @ 2900 safely. For the 280 AI and 150s --3000 fps does NOT sound out of reason. Good luck with the draw and hunting. Jerry FWIW - I know there's a diff in SD & BC between 270--150s and 284--150s -esp. Scenars. jwall- * 3100 guy* A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11095698 04/04/16
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cwh2 Campfire Tracker C Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,317 Anchorage, AK	Smoke, Condolences on the POS. I've heard that Kimber leadership are all members of the sierra club and PETA, so it kind of makes sense that their rifles would shoot poorly. It keeps you from hurting bambi. Good luck trying to kill something with a scenar.

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11095832 04/04/16
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bellydeep Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,638 E of the Rockies, W of the res...	Send it to Fotis. He'll find a way to make it not shoot. Originally Posted by shrapnel I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. Originally Posted by JohnBurns I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11095979 04/04/16
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 6,231 wherever the deer are yar Campfire Tracker
yar Campfire Tracker Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 6,231 wherever the deer are	I just picked up one in 300 wsm new on Friday...Im just goona send it right back after seeing this.

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11096032 04/04/16
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battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,807 outside the burgh	You're right, it is shooting two in and one out. I'd change primers first and see if it improves. Then again, you just may have to live with it. laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again cwh2 #11096104 04/04/16
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OP smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,993 Colorado	Originally Posted by cwh2 I've heard that Kimber leadership are all members of the sierra club and PETA, so it kind of makes sense that their rifles would shoot poorly. It keeps you from hurting bambi. Good luck trying to kill something with a scenar. Ha, good point Chris. I'm gonna ditch this thing, right after I burn all my Capilene in a big bonfire! Harry, that's BS, everyone knows with a rifle like this, you vary the seating depth first, then switch primers. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11096156 04/04/16
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Backroads Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,815 Montana	Looks like you got snakebit just like me. These are the 15th-17th rounds from a new rifle. It apparently liked to be seated a little deeper than mag length. 168gr Berger Classic hunter, IMR 7828ssc and CCI BR-2 in virgin Nosler brass. I hope it settles in with the once fired. Grin Last edited by Backroads; 04/04/16.

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11096209 04/04/16
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DesertMuleDeer Campfire Tracker D Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,417 Northern Hill Country	About the way my Kimbers shoot and I currently have double digits of them in possession.

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11096214 04/04/16
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,807 outside the burgh B battue Campfire Ranger
battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,807 outside the burgh	Originally Posted by smokepole Harry, that's BS, everyone knows with a rifle like this, you vary the seating depth first, then switch primers. It's your rifle. Go ahead and screwup the harmonic balance. Last edited by battue; 04/04/16. laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again battue #11096260 04/04/16
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OP smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,993 Colorado	Originally Posted by battue Originally Posted by smokepole Harry, that's BS, everyone knows with a rifle like this, you vary the seating depth first, then switch primers. It's your rifle. Go ahead and screwup the harmonic balance. Harmonic balance? Pshaw, we're talking space/time continuum. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11096347 04/04/16
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The_Yetti Campfire Tracker T Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,626 Eastern Colony of Communist Ca...	Originally Posted by smokepole Originally Posted by battue Originally Posted by smokepole Harry, that's BS, everyone knows with a rifle like this, you vary the seating depth first, then switch primers. It's your rifle. Go ahead and screwup the harmonic balance. Harmonic balance? Pshaw, we're talking space/time continuum. With groups like that I would just change everything with your load. Always change multiple variables so you can never pin down whats wrong... I learned that on the campfire!

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11096575 04/04/16
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 32,312 Wetter'n Oregon Jeff_O Campfire 'Bwana
Jeff_O Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 32,312 Wetter'n Oregon	Clearly not shooting MOA. Getting a "cloverleaf" rifle to truly shoot MOA on a regular basis may require some gunsmithing. Specifically, I'd recommend recrowning with a small rasp file. Some guys will just loosen a scope mount screw. That ain't skookum. It could self-tighten back up. The CENTER will hold. Reality, Patriotism,Trump: you can only pick two FÜCK PUTIN!

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again Jeff_O #11097202 04/05/16
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battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,807 outside the burgh	Rookie move Jeff. That's Is its best day. Cut to the heart and do a re-barrel. laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again bellydeep #11112805 04/11/16
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Fotis Campfire Ranger Joined: May 2009 Posts: 17,251 Cheyenne, Wy	Originally Posted by bellydeep Send it to Fotis. He'll find a way to make it not shoot. Not sure about that but definitely would be replaced. Only kimbers in my safe read 45 acp. Like fat ugly women. You can do them but who really wants to? https://thehandloadinglog.wordpress.com μολὼν λαβέ "Weatherby was too long so I nicknamed it "Bee""

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11112937 04/11/16
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VaHillbilly Campfire Outfitter V Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 7,756 SW Virginia	Wow! It looks like all you guy's have mastered the "fine art" (according to some) of shooting these light Montana rifles.....Congrats!.........Hb

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11112990 04/11/16
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ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky	Originally Posted by smokepole I picked up a new 84L this past winter, in 280 Ackley. Finally got out to the range this afternoon and shot it for the first time. Loaded up some 150 Scenars with a few different powders. The first two 3-shot groups out of the rifle were with IMR 7977 and 7828, and missed the bulls-eye by a wide margin. Shot the group on the bottom first, way off. Adjusted the scope, and I still was off the bull. Could be because I didn't bother to bed it or do any of the "Kimber tweaks" I've been reading so much about. Could've also been because the new brass had a little more runout than ideal. I sure wish Kimber would get their act together. You need to buy a lotto ticket.... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11113311 04/12/16
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SNAP Campfire Member S Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 478	I bought a Kimber 84L MA last summer and my groups with the 160NP over the max. load of Magpro given by phone by the Western Powders ballistician are slightly larger than that. I think it is my shooting due to the weight of the rig and medical-spinal issues, but, it is showing about MOA and practice will help. Mine is now rigged with silver Talley QD screwlocks holding a new Leupy VX3 silver 3.5x10.40, VERY nicely balanced and so nice for an old geezer to pack. Kimber impresses me and I hope they continue and offer new models and chamberings.

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11114841 04/12/16
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EdM Campfire 'Bwana E Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 33,662 Either Texas or Idaho	My POS 270. Conduct is the best proof of character.

Re: Kimber QC On the skids again smokepole #11114860 04/12/16
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bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 47,943 Battle Born	Yeah, they fu cked up and forgot to put a floor plate on that pos... Trying to cut costs I guess... Originally Posted by raybass I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Originally Posted by Pharmseller You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA

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