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Originally Posted by BobinNH
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Just occurred to me some younger folks might not know who these guys are.



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A famous gun writer also told this story in one of his books.

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MM: Come to think of it,you're right!

That famous gun writer was along on the hunt! wink




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175 Nosler Partitions through the lungs and you'll have your bear. Just accept the fact that your guide will be in full readiness to back him up if the 7 doesn't flatten his bear!


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I know the rifle/cartridge has already been decided.
I like the way Steve thinks. Mr. Phil has made this point more than once.

Originally Posted by BCSteve

I would personally use something bigger than a 7mm Rem Mag but if Phil thinks that a .30-06 is adequate, the 7mm Rem Mag should be too.


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I'd hunt them with a 175 grain Partition.

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Originally Posted by BobinNH
MM: Come to think of it,you're right!

That famous gun writer was along on the hunt! wink


He watched the whole thing. I also believe he said a brown bear is a lot bigger than any lion when referring to the 7s use in Africa.

Thanks for posting that Bob

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MM: Good old school stuff... wink




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Bob,
I'm very thankful dad had a decent gun library around when I was growing up.

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Originally Posted by waterrat
175 Nosler Partitions through the lungs and you'll have your bear. Just accept the fact that your guide will be in full readiness to back him up if the 7 doesn't flatten his bear!


As Paul Harvey would have said, "and that's the rest of the story." 🐻


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Originally Posted by miket_81
What are everyone's thoughts on 160TSX vs 175 Partition?

TSX

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Originally Posted by Klikitarik
It depends. Where is he planning to shoot the bear?

Yer killin me.....


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Either bullet should work well. I wonder how many bears the people on here have killed that are so concerned about the 7mm mag.... I'm willing to bet that most guides would be happy to guide him since he knows he cans shoot that rifle well and is taking it instead of some brand new "big" rifle he just bought for that hunt. The guide will have a proper back up rifle in case things go wrong. As a back up gun on big bears I would want something bigger, but for hunting them, the 7mm should work fine.

Just my 2 cents. That being said, I have not hunted the big bears either but know those who have and like most game, you only hear about when things go wrong, not the many more times they go just boringly fine with small guns and good shot placement.

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Originally Posted by waterrat
175 Nosler Partitions through the lungs and you'll have your bear. Just accept the fact that your guide will be in full readiness to back him up if the 7 doesn't flatten his bear!


I'm not arguing about a bullet thru the lungs killing the bear.

I wouldn't be shooting at the lungs in all situations.
I would want a bullet I could count on to ANCHOR the bear.

I would choose one of the 175s already listed by SKane.


That from my ZERO experience in bear hunting! I believe in being prepared for the worst case scenario !!

That leaves OUT any scenar!!

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175 Nosler is a proven choice. Use R22,25,26, H1000, IMR7828, MRP or similar. The 160 TSX or Nosler would be good for open country with the same powders.

I have seen six taken with a 25-06. I carried a 7 mag while guiding fly fisherman but never had to use it. Been close enough to smell them and had the hair raise on the back of my neck on a couple of occasions but never needed to shoot one.


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There's a couple articles in older Rifle magazines regarding cartridges, bullets and brown bears. It seems a native girl killed the largest recorded grizzly with a 22lr. The record held for many years. The article "What 63 dead Grizzlies tells us) (I think) said that a woman got a one shot kill with a varmint rifle (270 haha) and another got a one shot kill from a 375. People that brought 458 mag and 358 mag didn't do well at all.
Generally, except for the 375 the lighter cartridges - 06, 7mm mag, 270 etc did well.
It seems people bought rifles they had little skill with and many shots were required to bring down the Bruins.

I am planning a trip and am trying to decide 350, 338, 375, 300, or 416 to take. I'm practicing with the 416. It's expensive.

I have TSX's for the 416. The rest I'd use Partitions.


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Kinda surprised that Phil hasn't posted. I know for sure at least one of his clients killed a BIG bear with 150-grain Partitions from the .270 Winchester either last spring or the year before, and another guy did the same with a 7mm RM the same spring, but I couldn't swear to the bullet. (The guy who used a .270 took two shots, one which anchored but didn't drop the bear, and another that finished the job.)

Always amazing how many think there's vast difference in the way good bullets kill big game. A bullet that penetrates the vitals does the job, regardless of the name on the bullet's box.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer

Always amazing how many think there's vast difference in the way good bullets kill big game. A bullet that penetrates the vitals does the job, regardless of the name on the bullet's box.


? ? ? I don't know if I'm misunderstanding what you mean or not. I understand the words you used but am not sure of your intent.

So, let me ask, Would you explain more clearly?

I'm not going to jump to a conclusion NOR to ass ume.
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I'm not arguing about a bullet thru the lungs killing the bear. (VITALS)


Here's what I'm thinking...

There are bullets that will destroy the vitals of any animal BUT would NOT do a good job against Heavy Muscle or Heavy Bone.

What am I missing?


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Jwall What you are missing is,, don't take a marginal shot! Wait as long as it takes to get a bullet into the vitals,, if not thats hunting.

Your not an expert at this!!!


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Originally Posted by waterrat
Jwall What you are missing is,, don't take a marginal shot! Wait as long as it takes to get a bullet into the vitals,, if not thats hunting.

Your not an expert at this!!!


Well put.


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