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Hmmmmm

Those who work jobs that are "traditionally compensated" by tips..... used to understand that those tips were directly related to the service being provided. Now, it seems those who work for tips..... feel they're obligated to receive those tips.... regardless of the quality of the service or experience.

I don't tip schitty waitresses......

I don't tip the cab driver who makes me put my own bags in the trunk....

To Insure Promptness...... that's what TIP means.....

It was..... is..... and always should be.... directly related to the level of service you received.

If you want to work in an industry that is "partially supported" by an unagreed upon arbitrary amount of "additional" dough..... then you better provide exemplary service.

To expect to get paid the "industry standard"..... without providing an experience that's ABOVE that standard.... is pretty Bernie....

I think it's funny you tell this story which has nothing to do with anything and then go on guided hunts after proclaiming you make less than the guides but then arguing you shouldn't tip?

Something doesn't make sense in your thought process.

Dogshooter, no one said any different, you're way off base. No one has argued that guides or wait staff should be tipped the industry standard for schitty service.

Go back and read fireball's post, which is what I responded to.

He's trying to make the case that tipping should not exist, and should be rolled into the cost of the service.

I said right up front that a guided hunter should set aside the 10%, but the guide still has to earn it.

I was thinking the same.

But I do have a funny story. I was at work the other day, talking with the guys about tipping on guided hunts. And then one of them said, "wait a minute, why are we talking about this, none of us have ever been on a guided hunt?" So I said "good point, but bear with me, I need an anecdote to tell the guys on the 24-hour campfire."

So he said, "OK, tell us about guided hunts" and I told him what I knew. Halfway through, he stopped me and said "let me see if I've got this straight--the guides are responsible for making sure nothing bad happens to you, they take care of your basic needs like food and shelter, they are responsible for the success of your hunt, which depends on their skill and how hard they work, and they work for tips?" "Yep." "And you're asking if you should tip them?"

"That's right."

They just shook their heads, turned around, and walked off. I heard one guy say "well, that explains why he never picks up the check at lunch....."

Borrow the money and go. Seems like a great idea except that tips get to be a lot more than 10% when you're paying interest on them

Yep, the 10% "standard" is "phugging bullchit" and nuts in his opinion, but he always tips that amount.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Drum.....text Chad (our mutual friend)

He will confirm that I have indeed pulled a 60 month loan to hunt Africa

I had an opportunity to go and not enough money

And as stated....I have always tipped my guide

You sure are disgruntled over this

This thread is getting crazy. If you have to take out a loan to go on a guided hunting trip, you have no business going on that trip! I hope you don't have a family you are supporting!

You seriously took out a loan to hunt Africa? Seriously?

At least it makes sense now. I wouldn't want to keep paying interest on guide tips either.

After all, they're just hunting guides.

LMAO, not at all Ted. I just know that most guides work hard, and don't make much money. And that people who may go on a guided trip one day are reading this.

How can you tell if a guide is alive? You can hear them bitching about money.

This applies to both fishing and hunting guides, as I know a few.

I recommend tipping heavily, and not paying attention to the whining.

So, then, you're an evangelist for guides. Who would have thought it?

Smokepole is just a cover. His real name is Guido Evangeline.......

You guys are pretty good entertainment

I come here for two things

Gain knowledge from members in the know and entertaining stuff like this

What a dumbass blanket statement. I guarantee if you came and hunted with me, I would not be the one whining.

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You would after you saw the tip!

Some of the thinnest skin is apparently also found on guides.

How do you all feel about tipping owner-operator type outfits.

I have hunted with a few solo outfitter/guides types in the past few years.

Do you feel as obligated to give a 10%+ tip when you know all the money you plunked down for the hunt and/or trophy fees is going into his pocket minus expenses?

I tipped them all well but did not feel as obligated to give 10%.

I really can't give a schit, but it appears you associate with the wrong guides. Not really surprising, though.

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