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JorgeI that could probably be done with a bison if you were close enough; again Bells success with elephants. I was just surprised by the posts of those who felt the caliber and premium bullets that were needed to kill a bison.
Heck, use a .577 Tyrannosaur or a .700 Nitro Express and I will truly be more than happy for you. I was just sharing my one experience. Bell's "success" with elephants (and I take it you are referring to the 7X57 or 6.5 MS) is a bit of a romanticized misnomer. He was hunting elephants who had no clue as to what a man could do with a rifle (believe me they've learned) and by his own admission, he lost MANY wounded animals and recognized the caliber's limitations. In a round about way, it's the same justification people use for the 45/70 and call it a proper DG caliber. Sure, a 45/70 will kill just about anything with proper bullet/placement (look at the number of elephants killed with the 308 for example) but it sure as hell ain't a DG caliber by any stretch. Exactly like the buffalo hunters of the 18 Hundred's they shot them like prairie dogs
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My son took a bison with the 348 and using the 250 woodleigh. His rifle is a browning 71 this bullet performed very well. Testing barnes original, barnes tsx , and the woodleigh. The barnes original did not perform as I was hoping and my stockpile of them were sold. The tsx did well but I could not find any available. The woodleigh did very well and were available also I have read that some of the other 250 grain bullets out there would not chamber in the browning? The recovered slug pictured was found on the for side just under the hide and weighs 244 grains. My powder of choice was h4831sc chosen for lower pressure and felt recoil (my 13 year old son at the time was pretty small) I would not hesitate to use the woodleigh bullet. That's lovely bullet performance! Thanks so much.
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Any update on the Bison hunt? Wish more Yukoner's would post here. Planning a trip up this summer just to look around, if all goes well then a permanent move is the plan in a few years. Would love to see some pics of the hunt, if your so inclined.
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Claro: My Yamaha crapped out on me. So I bought a new Skandic Wide Track and will go out again one of these weekends.
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Interesting subject. I have homestead land North of Denali. The last bull moose taken was with a Win M-71 348 Ackley Improved using a 270 gr Hawk. The Hawk bullets hold together. Alaska Bullet Works has a bonded core 250 gr
bullet which works well. The 348 Ack Improved will push a 250 gr to
2400.Very similar to the 35 Whelen......
For serious close bear or bison, recommend the 450 Alaskan. I have an original early long tang Model 71 in 450 Fuller.(Cousin of the Alaskan) It will push a bonded core 400 gr FP .458 at 2000 FPS. It is good for coastal brown bear or irritated grizzlies. Alaska has these. Canada has its share.
Bullet placement is critical. That is why -with bears-its nice to have an older reliable Winchester that says on the barrel: Winchester Repeating
Firearms-"repeating" might be important with an angry grizz....
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena-not the critic"-T. Roosevelt
There are no atheists in fox holes or in the open doors of a para's aircraft.....
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Been using the 250 Woodleigh, very accurate and excellant performance.
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Any update on the Bison hunt? Wish more Yukoner's would post here. Planning a trip up this summer just to look around, if all goes well then a permanent move is the plan in a few years. Would love to see some pics of the hunt, if your so inclined. No luck this time though I logged 450 Km on the snowmobile. Saw some great country and some Bison but never got close enough to score. Here is a very short video of a bit of the country and my hunting partners. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIN55mH_Kgg
Last edited by North61; 04/18/16.
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