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Hey guys birthdays coming up and I'm looking to get my self a rifle for about a grand, definitely not more than 1500. This is not including optics as I have a conquest 3-9 x 40 I will be putting on it. Though I've hunted for years I have always been very frugal with my choices. My t/c venture in 270 has been awesome but I want to buy something "nicer" just because I want to. Confusing the search is the fact that I will continue to hunt primarily from treestand in new england with shots under 75 yards but often having to act very quickly . Deer are by far he most common target with a bear hunt and predator hunt occasionally. However I want to start doing more out of state hunts and want to do more practicing 300 -400 yards. I had the opportunity to briefly hunt in hawaii his year and axis deer around 300 yards away were beyond my comfort zone. I want to change this.
I''m most strongly considering a howa barreled action or vanguard and then throwing it in a mcmillan or manners. Can I do better? The not yet released weatherby weather mark intrigues me for some reason as does the vanguard back country. As you can tell I am biased towards weatherbys but not stuck on them.
Though I do not post here often I lurk a lot. I encourage sarcasm, hateful and off topic responses. Just to set the tone there is no a ay I'm gonna put a 20 ounce plus scope "stuck" in 6x on my rifle. Nor will I buy a poorly put together rifle requirig hours and hundreds of dollars in work because it's named after a state with mountains.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=556016569

Lot to like there for the coin. Slap that Zeiss on top and you're good.

Remington 700 KS Mountain Rifle hands down. There's one listed here in the classifieds. Worth every cent and they ain't going down in value. Already comes mounted in a McMillan to boot...

But you will buy a rifle that needs a new stock for $500+, right out of the box?

If you're talking about a Montana, they're not poorly put together. And they don't take hours and hundreds of dollars in work.

Buy a used Montana for $8-900, and even if you get one that doesn't shoot, you can re-barrel it to whatever chambering you want, and have a rifle that comes in under $1500 that will no doubt shoot. In other words, spend the money you would have spent on a McMillan on a custom barrel.

Well this is no fun at all.

Surely there are some unspoken requirements to ridicule, such as controlled round feed or a fondness for walnut and blue steel? A lurking unjustifiable caliber obsession? A prejudice toward European steel or against it?

Surely an opportunity to segway into our own hardware and related accomplishments?

Or you can just say you want a .270.

In other words, it can't be as simple as suggesting a Tikka T3.

Those are the rules. Sheesh.

I think that you can buy a CLR in 270, 30-06, 7mm Rem Mag, or 300 Win Mag for under $600 and send it to Mel Forbes at NULA for a new stock and trigger for another $600, for a total of around $1,200, right in the center of your proposed budget.

I've never heard of anybody who has had Mel Forbes put together a CLR/NULA hybrid and didn't like it or feel that it was a good value.

Maybe you could put the remaining $300 toward a cerakote job on the metal.

I would buy one of Melvin's rifles used. 260 or 7 08. There is no reason in the world for a magnum with the OP's original specs, or even for a long action caliber. And many reasons not to.

That's if I were committed to spending the whole $, which won't happen with the T3.

These posts again having me leaning towards a light/ultralight rifle which may be a better for the hunting I'm actually doing. I am surprised I have not yet bought a stainless t3. Not only are the reveiews very consistent but they fit me great. However, I have hundreds in the bank and not all my credit cards have hit their limits and I want to splurge. The Forbes ClR I am intrigued by and will have to research. Any link to the service Melvin forbes offers or do you just contact him? I'm looking at a kimber adirondock for 1350 but then thinking I could custom bed a howa into a mcmillan sako classic for that price. Heavier obviously but would almost have to be accurate. So conflicted on the montana. Love the concept but worry about q/c.

But a tikka stainless 260 and drop in a McMillian hunters edge.

Do you want the hybridizing, customizing and dikking around to result in a rifle that is a) lighter; or b) shoots better than a factory T3?

That, my friend, is a loaded question ...

If you can't stand to not spend the $, get Melvin's stuff. I mean used, not having him butter up another maker's rifle. If you are going Melvin, go full Melvin.

In decades of treestand hunting, my rifles kept getting lighter and shorter, and I liked them more and more. Now after a decade of open country hunting, my rifles are getting lighter and shorter again ...

Was browsing gunbroker a couple of years ago and came across one of the new M70FWT in 270 made by FN. Yeah I know it's boring but you could do worse.
It's the one I grab leaving the custom stuff in the safe.
Either buy what fits you or have it fitted.

It's funny how things come full circle. For years I have considered the t3. Whenever the wife is shopping I wander into gunshops and fondle their rifles. The q/c on the Tikkas is amazing. However going from a venture to a tikka seems like a latteral move. Same thing only lose a pound and gain stainless. The venture shoots lights out and no reliability issues. Maybe I should derail my own thread by recommending a 1000- 1500 dollar hunt.

Have you handled a Kimber Montana? I would take an 84M or 84L over any stock McMillan makes. Kimber Montana is a STEAL when comparing what you get.

If you decide you want your crosshairs align w/ POI you may change your tune about 20oz scopes. A SWFA SS 3-9x42 is a perfect match for a Kimber Montana. Throw in a Sig Kilo 2000 and all you need is some practice.

David

I'd buy a 700 CDL SS. But that doesn't sound like what you're after.

rcarr,

For decades I hunted locally and made wildcats. Now I figure I finished with wildcats and spend my money on hunts. Take photos and enjoy the hunts with a good enough rifle.

Lately I have been playing with scopes. They are cheaper than rifles. After Swarovski z5, Nightforce, Leupold VX-6, Minox ZA 5HD, Nikon Monarch 3, Ziess, I have narrowed it down to Bushnell 6500 4 1/2-30X50. The glass is better than the z5, as good as the VX-6 and low light performance as good as either one. And it has more magnification than any except the Nightforce which was ten ounces heavier.

By the way, welcome to the 'fire.

Chuckling here as I see so many of my own memories in your post.

What you want for your budget cannot be measured in fit and finish, lightness, or accuracy. Figure out what it can be measured in and buy it.

One day two or three decades ago I wandered among the vendors at a 'large' outdoors expo event at the State Fair Grounds in Raleigh, NC. There was a gentleman sitting among his custom rifles, and my impression was that he knew how to sell them, but that his deeper talent was in making them. I picked up one off the rack.

The experience was something like Oh my God and it was created by a rifle not merely light but perfect. It must have shown on my face because he smiled.

There was a balance and execution to the whole requiring a deep gift of the maker, and a belief similar to mine of what a complete rifle should be. The man was, of course, Melvin Forbes. In a lifetime of shouldering rifles, it is the only time I have ever felt that way.

So I have 'figured it out' for myself, and revealed all prejudice.

Thanks for all the input guys. Looking like its a three way tie between the t3 stainless, the Montana and a hunt. I have handled the montana a thousand times in a store but never fired a shot. I LOVE how it handles and love the concept. I had a marlin xs7 for a bit and like
Blind magazines. I also like the stock ergonomics and the idea of a Kevlar stock. However the q/c and support has me nervous. I am fairly certain this question is allowed on this forum but if not let me know and accept my apologies. Any good deals on close out Montana's. Would never use the threaded barrel. Definitely would want a short action at that weight. 7mm/08 would be ideal.

Go hunting.

pm Darrik, Aka Shortactionsmoker of Whittakers Guns:

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/users/34076/shortactionsmoker

David

Agreed.

NULA is worth the $.

David

I have and like several T3's, but also recently picked up a CLR and decided to get one of Melvin Forbes' stocks for it. Very nice gentleman to talk to on the phone when I was asking how much he charged for them and the typical turn around times and such.

The CLR has proven to shoot very well with the factory barrel so I'll be leaving that alone for now, but a couple days ago when the new stock arrived and I swapped them out it became an entirely different feeling rifle. The new stock is significantly lighter and feels much better. It's not a NULA, but it is a darn nice rifle.

Beware though, because Melvin's light rifles don't shoot well at the ranges you specified.

That's a teaser.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/forums/38/1/Long_Range_Hunting

Honestly, you probably can not get a used one for $1500. So it's back to you-know-what.

I'm not a Tikka fan, so how about a Bergera in 6.5 Creedmoor?

Or a Vanguard2 in 6.5 Creedmoor with a McM stock in the style that works best for you.

Or a 700 CDL-SF in whatever cartridge that moves you with a McM stock in the style that works best for you.

I've had my eyes on the Ultra Light Arms for year. Remember seeing one years (2 decades ago?) at a gun show and if left an impression. Reviews and testimony from users always great. But honestly too expensive to even consider. I actually like the idea of the ClR and sending it to for forbes but a quick search did not reveal any short actions and they seem fo be getting pricey.
I would say the t3 is probably the most practical choice and most bang for the buck. But maybe I want to go through the process of a semi custom build just to do it. I wish they offered the howa 20 inch #1 counter in stainless as I really want stainless. I would drop it in an edge or a elite hunter.
If I'm in a practical mood I'll probably get the t3 or t3x and keep if 100% stock and maybe even get a rangefinder and a few other goodies with money I save.
However, I just spent a few hours looking at different custom rifles and kind of want to build a 22.75 inch Barreled 1:7.9 inch twist 7mm 08Ai with a mcswirly 21% white and 70% black and 9% charteuse. Three swivel studs in the back, none in the front just cause.

I would call Whittakers and ask if they had any of the All Weather Hawkeyes left.

You could always keep using the Venture until you save more money for a Nula, if that's what you really want.

Sako

Finnlight

7mm-08

'Nuff said.....

Is charteuse a McM color option?

I'm kinda fond of a grape, turquoise, and either light grey or white mix.

Tikka T3 stainless, put it in a McMillan of your choice, go forth and full arks.

But, for the same price (or less) you could have a 2015 (non-threaded) Montana. That's what I'd do.

I like this one.......or a Nosler Patriot, or T3.

If you want to go traditional, I have a very nice, near mint condition, one year limited production, REM 700 C!assic in .280 that I might let go for $1499 😀

rcarr,

In my experience it's hard to beat the accuracy/trigger/etc. of the T/C Venture. Unless you just want something lighter to hunt with from a stand, I'd suggest what somebody else already did: Save your money until you can afford a NULA. At that point, however, you might be tempted to spend the money on a hunt instead.

But it's your money, and your decision on what's more important, an "upgrade" in your rifle (whether or not it will actually shoot better) or something else.

I've never seen a Classic go that high.

This schit cracks me up!

Get a Dumbfhuqk asking a STUPID question,fabricate Delusions to pad the inherent Stupidity of same and then feign a fhuqking clue. Hilarious!

For $1500 Clams and someone who "shoots","hunts" and "reloads" as "much" as the OP...it'd be NIB Montucky 308,Reupold 30mm DD's,6x MQ Fixed Fhuqker,BC's and a coupla hunnert Skinners. It'll blow the piece of fhuqking schit Venture outta the water.

Funnier than fhuqk,when Dumbfhuqks cain't savvy hilarity,such as the Classic Ruse. Poor poor fhuqking STUPID Dooshmike. Laughing!

Or having never seen a 7-08AI...like one of you Dumbfhuqks could pick 'em out of a crowd. Cheer up,the rifle got MUCH better with a 6x Fixed Fhuqker. Hint.

Laughing!




Or an Adirondack. Laughing!



Or an Ascent.



I've only seen one McMillan and it was black. Laughing!



Never been tough to cypher who shoots and who don't. Hint.

I getta kick outta Day Dreaming Do NOTHING Dumbfhuqks,talking out their asses...tryin' to convince themselves that they have a fhuqking clue,while it remains GLARINGLY obvious that ain't in the cards! Mebbe a Texan will Whine that she "can't read" this. I'm fhuqking cryin'.....I'm laughing soooooooooooo fhuqking hard!!!!!!!!

Pardon my being afforded the luxury,of not being forced to guess.

Hint.

Bless your hearts.

Laughing!........................

It would surprise the heck out of me too!

I saw a beautiful little Remington mountain rifle BDL (Not DBM) in 280 rem that the shop owner says shoots good and would sell for $800.00 with leupold 3-9x40. Looks like new. If I had the $800.00 and was looking, that's probably the one I'd jump on right now... You don't have to pay "$1,500.00"+ to get into a nice hunting rifle.. Good luck with your search..

I'd take a 700 Mountain over a Kimber or Tikka anyday. Almost bought one in .280 but I already have a very accurate BDL in that chambering and I thought it might get a bit redundant.

rcarr (OP) don't worry, he talks about everybody that way (except for a couple on the forum who really suck up to him big time). It's not a personal attack on you. You just asked, in an unsuspecting manner, the opinions of others. That is a green light for Big Stick to call you names and treat you like an idiot. The rest of us don't consider you stupid for asking the opinion of others.

By the way, as anybody here will tell you, I'm not one of Big Stick's suck up sycophants; but, I would parrot his recommendation here. He may have been later to the Kimber Montana and SWFA SS user group than many of us; but, he likes them.

To Big Stick, I hope you are well little buddy.

bsa',

Tough to get giddy about blued/walnut and Reupold 3-9x's,in a L/A MR handle. Hint.

While the twist/throating/COAL are spot on,the CM/Living Wood concessions are huge,on a rifle that will be actually USED. I realize that use is a concept new to you. Laughing!

The MR handle pales to the Classic in felt recoil management and when musing Light Done Right,the Montucky has NO equal...especially in a L/A and in direct comparison to even a McMillan KS. Pardon my having it all. Hint.

You'd think one would yard a 7-08AI flingin' 162 A-Max Smooches at 2850fps out of a MR and into a fhuqking Classic instead...along with a 6x Fixed Fhuqker replacing 6x42 M1's?!? Hey wait. Laughing!



Hell...even a Montucky in SAAMI Twat-Six squirtin' Skinners,is a soft shootin' sonofabitch,despite it's gross lack of mass. Hint.



'Course just like the Three Oh Not So Great,things only get better when you start necking the suck out of it. I only Casted & Blasted the above rifle for (4) days then rebarreled it Brux 1-8" contour duped/shank reduction at 22.25" for a Six Twat-Six and 105 Hornie HPBT's at 3300fps.





Despite the NIB donor,there's less than $1500 into the bare rifle. Though soon to be Bear Rifle. Hint. Laughing!



Always a fhuqking treat to be regaled with your "harrowing" Window Licking "Adventures",keen "insight","knowledge","experience" and "results"...along with them unequaled pixels. Give or fhuqking take.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!......................















Dooshmike,

Cite "all" the Montuckys you've "gunned" and feel free to wax eloquent upon their "particulars",as per your "best" "efforts". The Paper Hat Brigade's "Almost" Chronicles are compelling "Testimony". Congratulations?!?

Don't "forget" boolits,bases,rings and glass...along with some pics of your Imagination and it's Pretend. Laughing!

Is there NO end to you Do NOTHING Dumbfhuqks and your Imaginations and Pretend?!? Wow +P++!

Bless your heart.

Laughing!................

















TheBitchingSniveler,

It is hilariouser than fhuqk,that you follow me around nipping at heels and flaunt your Imagination and it's Pretend,as "vindication" of all the things you almost did,all the wares you almost used and all the places you almost did 'em. You poor poor(literally) Sappy Day Dreaming Do NOTHING Dumbfhuqk.

I enjoy how you obliviously arrange Reality colliding with your Fantasy. Congratulations?!?

Don't "forget" to cite "particulars" and I'm always torn on which is fhuqking funnier,the Whine or the Excuses. You "hard chargers" are a fhuqking RIOT!

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...............

For $1500 I personally would be looking for a donor and rebarrel candidate. To that end either a Kimber or a Rem700. The Kimber comes with a great trigger and great stock. The M700 has those items easily available.

You might as well shoot the donor, especially the Kimber, since it already has the other stuff.... you mention Kimber QC issues but I haven't seen that. Very well made rifles. If it has a bad barrel, rebarrel it and still be on budget. Chances are good it won't. You don't need bughole accuracy anyway for the ranges you propose shooting.

Big Stick, little buddy, c'mon. What did I say that was wrong? I'm trying to let the OP know that you didn't have anything against him personally. I don't want you to scare him away after all.

You did well this time though. Even though you gave the same recommendation as you always do, tactless as it was, it was correct this time. Heck, a guy could come here asking about CQB options where a 14 inch barrel and CCO were more appropriate and you would go on and on with some diatribe about "ping pong balls" and twist rates and COAL and erector travel and shooting at the 2000 yard line, blah, blah, blah and all the guy wants is a rifle and appropriate optics to clear rooms in a building or to shoot deer in the woods at less than 200 yards. Then you would go on to tell him how wrong he is, how stupid he is and how he has female genitals and does nothing but sit on the couch and eat cheetos and watch Oprah, all of this without ever meeting him. Usually, you will have been no help at all while demeaning the unsuspecting victims who only sought multiple opinions and help. All of this while you would be the only one in the thread who posted what he did not need or seek. Go get'm tiger.

Two thumbs up this time little buddy (minus your personal attack and defamation of the unsuspecting new guy).

Does the AI come in 40...and 30?

Appreciate the replies. I have been lurking here for years so being insulted by big stick feels like an honor. When I started this thread it was more
For the fun of the discussion than expecting an answer. Though this may change tomorrow right now it is between the tikka and the montana. I'm slightly leaning towards the Montana. Though I left this out in orginal post it will definitely be synthetic and preferably stainless. Also looking at Howa Alpine and vanguard backcountry. Not sure
About cerakote. No rush on my end but will update everyone when I do actually make a purchase. My wife
Makes fun of me as every year I talk about
A new rifle but then spend money elsewhere. Appreciate your time.

If anything, this does not complicate, but rather simplifies the choices. The demands are not really great.

About any commonly available bolt action with a 22" barrel and decent handling characteristics will manage New England deer hunting from stands, ground blinds, or on foot. "Fast handling" is more a function of practice than anything else.

Most any factory sporter weighing 6.5-8 pounds is capable of managing 300-400 yard shots ...just a function of enough practice.


Here's a buck killed in a New England clear cut at about 200 yards from an elevated stand with a Parker Hale Mauser 270 and 140 gr BT. That rifle has killed a bunch of others as well. It's owner is an accomplished match shooter....Hint.

I would look at the Weatherby Wilderness model, same as the Backcountry without the Cerakote and will save you some $$$. You can get into one for around $775.00. Since you like Weatherby's.

That's a pig there Bob

I've had good experiences with my Tikka's, but IMO the Montana is way more rifle. I'd pick one up in 7-08 if I could find one, and even in the off-chance the barrel was no good, you could be into a mighty fine stock, trigger, action, and a match-grade barrel, and come in at or under budget.

Easy choice to me. If you were constrained by half the budget, then I could see living with a cheap plastic stock and going T3. But even then I'd probably just grab a Rem 700 and upgrade stock and trigger as funds allow.

Not that my opinion matters very much and it isn't what was asked, but personally, looking back a lot of years, and going thru the gun buying scenarios as the OP is, I wish I would have spent more money on the hunts than guns.

I personally did what the OP asked and invested in a Weatherby, had it rebarreled with a premium barrel,set it in McMillian stock and put a Leupold VarX III 3-9 on it. Shot like a dream. However,it didn't kill anymore elk than the guns I had and I suspect the OP will find out a new rifle won't kill anymore deer either, but it's a fun road to go down if you have the $$$$$.

I now use one rifle for deer and elk and one for antelope, except for my ML tags.Works out fine

True enough, but he could get a T3 in 7-08, put a 3-9 Conquest/Cabelas instinct/Doug's CL Meopta 3.5-10 and be under $1500 easily. Nothing mentioned will outshoot one anyway plastic and all. No offense to the Kimber guys but it would be near the bottom of my list.

Of all the rifles I've owned in the sub 1500 category, I'd have to say that Sako is the nicest of the bunch. The Finnlite is a good option.

I know there is a lot of Tikka love here, but they don't seem to fit the bill as a "nice rifle" indulgence.

The Montana and Finnlight are good factory options. If you look hard enough, a pre-loved Cooper might be a nice option.

If you want to look down the semi-custom road, consider posting an ad in the classifieds. You don't seem to have a specific layout in mind yet, so something might catch your eye at a price that you couldn't duplicate in a fresh build.

saddlesore,

Ain't hindsight wonderful? Or depressing, depending on the moment.

Sako or Tikka.

Yep.I sure wasted a lot of money over the years that could have been spent on some darn good guided hunts where others packed the camps in,wrangled stock,gutted and quarted the game ,then packed it out.

So Stumpy:




Is RUST one of your accuracy secrets?

Rusty metal and crap paint jobs with your teenage daughter's funky colored nail polish, seem to be a common thread in ALL of your firearms...

oh and the 'studly' pirate bumper stickers etc...

I gather these are all Accuracy Improvement and Velocity Enhancing secrets of yours...

No wonder all your Groupies think you are so AWESUM!!!!!

Who would have thought those would help accuracy out???

You're just a friggin Genius there Stumpy....

do you recommend cold creek water, or to soak the rifle in warm salt water, to speed up the rusting process?

I'm sure your Groupies can wait for your words of wisdom dripping with Authentic Alaskan Trailer Park Gibberish...

Cheers Stumpy, and I hope the hangover is easy on you tomorrow morning...and hows that blood pressure treating ya?

Les: Yes it is. 228 dressed.

I run a Kimber Adirondack chambered in .308 and love it. I live in the upper area of New England and it's been fast, accurate, and extremely light.

Jeff-O,

Someone who "does" and "knows" as "much" as you...will ALWAYS be better off asking questions,than giving "answers". Congratulations?!?

The only things you shoot are your mouth and Imagination.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..............















TheBitchingSniveler,

Fell free to bolt all of your Imagination and Pretend together,to conjure the Delusion that I've ever been "mistaken". Congratulations?!?

You suck a mean ass,undoubtedly due to all them years of practice...you "lucky" kchunt.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.......................















BR,

40-degree or bust.....................















'carr,

Dumbfhuqkery ain't an "honor",it's a fhuqking plight. Congratulations?!?

I getta kick outta you Do NOTHING Dumbfhuqks and all of your Imagination and Pretend. As per your always,when it's all said and done...there will have been a fhuqk of a lot more said,than done.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.................















NH,

The OP couldn't knock the "new" offa used pair of boots and certainly wouldn't(couldn't) crowd within 25% of an OEM Montucky 308's potential.

'Course I'm being wellllllllllllll beyond gracious and optimistic...............(grin)















'ROY,

The fewer the bolt lugs on a Weatherby,the better the mousetrap. That being said and the VG/Howa easily being their best efforts...they are a pile of fhuqking schit,compared to a Montucky.

Hint...................















Jordan,

Tikka is a fhuqking joke,compared to a Montucky...............















'sore,

You've never not been a Turd Polishing Clueless Fhuqk and there's no "risk" of them facts changing. Congratulations?!?

"All" that you've "learned" in your "Life"...wouldn't wet the bottom of a thimble.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.....................















Shefire,

I'll feign my GREAT "surprise",that you've more pictures of me and my wares in "your" album,than you do your HILARIOUS "results". Congratulations?!?

You'd need a co-signer for the Jolly Rogers alone and only McMillan rates one. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!....................















DV',

I hear good thangs...................(grin)

Holy cow Bob! Did you just post a picture of yourself and an animal? Honestly, I think that's the first one I've seen! Or maybe it's some other accomplished shooter??😳

BTW, nice chain hoist! Lol!

That's what I said... (grin)

Jordan,

I was simply confirming your confirmation,so Window Lickers wouldn't have to "think" too hard.(grin)

Mighta been reaffirmation as well,to frost THE Stupidity Cake for 'Raider's Whining Dumbfhuqktitude,because she took hilarity to new fhuqking levels by Whining:

"True enough, but he could get a T3 in 7-08, put a 3-9 Conquest/Cabelas instinct/Doug's CL Meopta 3.5-10 and be under $1500 easily. Nothing mentioned will outshoot one anyway plastic and all. No offense to the Kimber guys but it would be near the bottom of my list."

She really "knows" rifles,boolits,mounts and glass.

Bless her heart.

Laughing!

ONLY a fence hoppin' Texan,would welcome soooooooooooo fhuqking many concessions and harbor enough Imagination and Pretend to concoct the Delusion that they was "advantages". The only thing she "shoots",is her mouth and Imagination.

That poor poor AMAZINGLY Stupid Fhuqk,I just hope that she don't yet again "forget" about her Imaginary Pretend Ignore. Funnier than fhuqk,that besides being a Clueless Kchunt,she is also a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit.

What were the "odds"?!?

Laughing!

Gotta love the inherent humor of grandiose oblivious Dumdfhuqktitude,by "hard chargers" doing their best. Ask her for pics,it's funnier than fhuqk!

Wow +P+!..................

I agree.

My 'Montana experience' has been favorable. Shooting the factory spout, but will need to re-barrel soon.

By the time I got happy with my Tikka T3s, with stocks, mags, etc. I had nearly the same invested.

I do like a 700 Mountain Rifle in 7mm-08. Mine is straight factory issued for the most part, but will also re-barrel soon and still be under your budget.

Ohhh! You got me good there Big Stick, little buddy.

Enjoying the lovefest here. You want to be left alone with your Montanas?

'Nut,

The only thing you "shoot",is your mouth and Imagination. Congratulations?!?

Great time to plagiarize some pics and tell a few more lies.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!....................















TheBitchingSniveler,

Nobody can get you Do NOTHING Dumbfhuqks,as well as you can...by simply doing your best. Congratulations?!?

I'll feign my GREAT "surprise",that despite your fervent heel nipping and incessant quest to quantify that Imitation,is THE most sincere form of Flattery,you are unable to find me "mistaken". What were the fhuqking "odds"?!?

Bless your heart.

Laughing!................















Kchuntis,

No need to keep crashin' outta closets,though your homoerotic tendencies consume you. Congratulations?!?

Didja' yet again "forget" about your Drama Queen pronouncement of Imaginary Pretend Ignore decree? I'll feign my "surprise",that besides being an utterly CLUELESS Fhuqk,you are also a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit. You "hard chargers" really "get after it".

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...................

Have another drink and got throw some montanas in the creek.

Stick,

Throw up some more pics you took 15 years ago of a 'pard' that actually shot something. The same old schit is, well, the same old schit. Laffin'

Keep living in the past and telling yourself you still could. As much time as you spend posting here, you sure as hell ain't doin' much other than pounding a keyboard. Insert <Congratulations?> here.

Better yet, get him to post a picture at work that wasn't taken twenty years ago. That's why he has all this free time to shoot and fish. Me, I always seem to be at work. And when I'm home I'm still on call.

I will help Lawrence out with new pictures.

His latest kill!

That sure looks like Stick, but that rifle looks like its' blued steel and wood schit with a 'Ruepold' on top... must be a 'pards'.

Laffin'!

Oh my...the Whining Do NOTHING Kchunts are in a tizzy,trying to out NOTHING one another and bask in the "glory" of Kchuntfest 2016's rich "accolades" and coveted Tiara!

Laughing!



Kchuntis,

I'll feign my "surprise",that the "best" you can "do",is to reiterate that you are a Drooling CLUELESS Dumbfhuqk and an absolute Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit. Congratulations?!?

After all the Estrogen expended in convincing yourself of how "real" your Imaginary Pretend Ignore is,it's a great "surprise" that the Delusion never fhuqking happened. I'm sure all are taken aback,at the "revelation". Laughing!

Be sure to cling on my every word and gawk every pixel,while trying to convince yourself you "could too".

Bless your heart.

Laughing!......................















Superkchunt,

I'll feign my "surprise",that the most you can muster in the "firsthand",is a swiped picture offa the Interweb. Congratulations?!?

If/when you can "remember" the last decade in which you went Outdoors,be certain to regale and wax eloquent on the "Adventure". Be sure to include "your" pics too.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..................















'Nut,

I enjoy your high pitched Nasal Whine and trembling lip,as your quivering fingers type your hilarious lies,fabricated ala the Delusion of your Imagination and it's Pretend. Congratulations?!?

Be certain to try and "convince" yourself,of the things you most NEED to hear,as you set on your couchbound kchunt and obliviously perfect your inherent Do NOTHING Dumbfhuqkery.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.............















Dooshmike,

I may or may not be at work this very second. Your uncanny "perception",undoubtedly granted you the Blue Parking Permit,you sooooooooooo very richly deserve. Congratulations?!?

Perhaps if you bitch about being a Clueless,Do NOTHING,Broke Dick Dumbfhuqk...it'll all "magically" get "better"? Give or fhuqking take! You STUPID Fhuqks couldn't knock the "new" offa used pair of boots,with a headstart and a tail wind.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!....................








What were the "odds" of you "Hard Charging" Gals giving ALL things The Rifle and embarrassingly wide berth?!?

I'm laughing so fhuqking hard...I'm crying!!!!

Perhaps Secret Squirrel PM one another,brazenly meld your Imagiunation and Pretend,then really go for the throat,by citing what you are gonna ALMOST "do" today. Few things as fascinatin',as Pavement Poundin' City Slickin' "Adventures",in the "wilds" of Dumbfhuqks Imaginations and Pretend. Extry points awarded for saying how "real" the Delusions are.

Laughing!

Wow +P+++!!!.....................

Rut-Roh. He's all fired up and going for the jugular, boys...

...wait. Seems I've heard all this brainless jibberish somewhere before... oh, yea...his last 14,000 or so posts.

Laffin'.

A little hot and bothered, Fotis? I'm not brand loyal, be it scopes, rifles, bullets, or anything else. But I know quality when I'm holding it in my hands, and I know good results when I see them in the field.

Stick, I'd love some of these do nothing couchbound days you talk of. Unfortunately work won't allow for it. And being broke ain't my problem either. Making money is great but I just would like some time to spend it.

This discussion has been even more fun than anticipated. Sure everyone's been dying to know what I end up with. I'm gonna head to Kittery trading post this week and fondle a few rifles but I'm back on a vanguard s2 kick. The idea of putting a McMillan sako hunter on it just appeals to me. Though I know it would be heavy it's hard to imagine it wouldn't shoot. Though I must admit a part of me says just stick with the venture and book a hunt. I've also been talking to a guy that's offering a good deal on a fallow buck hunt. I know I'm all over the place but darn this discussion has been fun.

Go to KTP. Grab a Montana and go hunting.

+1.

That's what I'd do as well.

I know where the KTP is.

When you go to KTP check out the Wilderness model in the Vanguard line, I just got in a 308. I took it all apart and the stock on this model and the Backcountry are the same and are proprietary. The stock weighed 25 Oz’s. on my scale. I wished they sold this stock through Stocky's but I already tried and no dice. Nice rifle for the money and identical to the Backcountry minus the cerakote.

C_ROY, I will definitely check out the wilderness. Weatherby rifles have always appealed to me. It's funny how we always overthink rifles so that the factory offerings are not quite good enough. The wilderness seems perfect except I wish it were stainless. That 25 ounce weatherby style stock in stainless #2 barreled action would be great. I' wish the howa Barreled actions were more readily available. If anyone knows of a stainless standard sporter weight 22 inch barreled action in 270 or even better 308 or 7mm 08 for around 500 please let me know. I just can't picture a howa/vanguard stainless barreled action in a mcmillan sucking. If I can get the barreled action for 500 and the mcmillan for around 550 that would work.
This buying a "nice" rifle is just a scratch I have to itch.

If you get the Montana, you won't have that feeling.

You cannot match it for twice the price.

Yup! It's right near the best fried clams and lobsters in southern Maine.

Sako

'Nut,

You poor poor(literally) STUPID Fhuqk,just what do you "think" that you've "done",to change your "esteemed" Couchbound Kchunt status? I mean besides add fresh lies,more swiped pics and upped your Whinetitude? Congratulations?!?

Gawddamned fhuqking heatwave here and this fhuqking dust sure is hard on riggin'.

Laughing!





Mebbe share more of your plagiarized "outdoor" pics,"work" pics and them killer Pavement Pounding "Adventure" pics.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.............















Jordan,

If you placed Kchuntis inside the fence of a mowed pasture and spun her (1) revolution...she'd be lost for days. 'Course in fairness,she's been lost for decades.

The ONLY thing she "shoots",is her mouth and Imagination,though she is a good thief and great liar.

Laughing!...............














Dooshmike,

It's your Imagiunation...simply Pretend with it as you MUST. Congratulations?!?

Obliged for the inherent humor of your Excuses and the magnificent Whine. You "lucky" kchunt!

Bless your heart.

Laughing!....................















'carr,

I cain't know which is funnier...a Dumbfhuqk getting giddy over a Howa or one who's jacked to rent a Canned Hunt. Congratulations?!?

Here's to the perpetual HILARITY of you Dumbfhuqks simply doing your best.

Bless your heart.

WOW +P++!

Laughing!...............















'NH,

I hear good thangs about OEM Montuckys.

Suplized someone hadn't mentioned the Dumbfhuqk OP scoring one in 308,going 6x MQ Fixed Fhuqker,Reupold DD's,Sig LRF and rocking killer Factory Fodder...so she don't hurt herself.

Laughing!...............















'Roy,

You can do whatever you like to the Howa,but it will ALWAYS be lightyears shy of Montucky Magnitude.

Hint..................















Whelen',

By God...you just might be onto sumptin'...............















Shag,

What in THE fhuqk,would someone as fhuqking STUPID as you,"know" about rifles,or using 'em? Spare NO details. Congratulations?!?

One would need to drive a stake,to mark to see if you've ever been offa the fhuqking couch. Add pics to obliviously quantify same,you "lucky" kchunt.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.................