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this is the keith bullet in 170 grain. I have been trying to find a four hole mould for this. Anybody have experience with it?
i have the 358156 but it is a little lighter at 160grains, and is gas checked, and two hole.
I wonder how the bigger bullet preforms without the gas check?


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in a 357 at full tilt it works well. No need for a GC with 2400 Russ

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Originally Posted by Creeker


That's the way Elmer Keith designed it. Square bottom grease groove(s) and a nice, wide meplat.

Ought to smack down anything shot with it. grin

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That's the way Elmer Keith designed it. Square bottom grease groove(s) and a nice, wide meplat.

Ought to smack down anything shot with it. grin

Ed

i have looked at that mold, and his price is good. The part that throws me a little is evidently he cuts them to .360. Given .357 in a 38special or 357, i was taught with lead to go one or two over, but .360 seem a lot. Particularly if you are going to powder coat them.


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i have been following this one on ebay. What throws me is when you supersize the picture of the mold it looks like some crud on one of the holes. Any thoughts?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lyman-4-cavity-bullet-mold-358429-170-gr-SWC-38-cal-bullet-/331829224096?hash=item4d429022a0:g:qVMAAOSwAvJXDC7u


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I broke down and bought a new one in the 80dollar range off of ebay, interesting in that midway showed them at well over 100bucks.
i said ebay but my mine wasn't working, came off amazon seller being optics planet.

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Originally Posted by RoninPhx
this is the keith bullet in 170 grain. I have been trying to find a four hole mould for this. Anybody have experience with it?

I have that mold in 4 cavity - casts very well and drops at 166 gr with wheel weight alloy.

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My wife got me that mold 35 years ago and I really like it.

Most of my shooting was through a 6 inch Model 19.

5 grains of Unique in .38 Special cases makes a fun load for long range steel or white rocks in pasture. 5.5 to 6 grains of Unique in .357 cases make a good general purpose load.
Stouter loads with 2400 are really good but we used less of these in the K frame and usually used 2 grains under maximum.

I used wheel weights for almost all my casting, .358 diameter and never had a leading issue.

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Originally Posted by 30Gibbs
My wife got me that mold 35 years ago and I really like it.

Most of my shooting was through a 6 inch Model 19.

5 grains of Unique in .38 Special cases makes a fun load for long range steel or white rocks in pasture. 5.5 to 6 grains of Unique in .357 cases make a good general purpose load.
Stouter loads with 2400 are really good but we used less of these in the K frame and usually used 2 grains under maximum.

I used wheel weights for almost all my casting, .358 diameter and never had a leading issue.

its in the mail. the 561 version is almost the same weight with me casting to about 160grains, but it is a gas checked bullet which i was wanting to avoid. i am sure it will be run in some k frames and i have a lot of unique, so your post was on target on all counts. I will size to .358 too. I intend to powder coat them too.

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i got that four hole new lyman 170 grain mould in, those are big bullets. The mold came in really wrapped up good with oil on it, tighter than a drum.
I am going looking for an old grave way up in the mountains this weekend, he died in the 1880's, otherwise i would be casting some. Next week maybe then after powdercoating will post a pictur.


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I have an old Lyman 358429 that makes absolutely beautiful bullets. I usually load them over 5gr of Unique in 38sp cases, been an accurate load in every revolver I've tried it in. Sometimes I do spool them up a bit with 2400 or Unique to replicate the old 38/44 loads since I have a couple of those revolvers and a 357 Blackhawk that I like to shoot.

My only complaint with the design is that they won't chamber in my Chief Special with the driving band outside the case mouth and I don't want to change the seater setting for one gun. I just feed it 358156s from my HP mold.

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Originally Posted by TheKid
I have an old Lyman 358429 that makes absolutely beautiful bullets. I usually load them over 5gr of Unique in 38sp cases, been an accurate load in every revolver I've tried it in. Sometimes I do spool them up a bit with 2400 or Unique to replicate the old 38/44 loads since I have a couple of those revolvers and a 357 Blackhawk that I like to shoot.

My only complaint with the design is that they won't chamber in my Chief Special with the driving band outside the case mouth and I don't want to change the seater setting for one gun. I just feed it 358156s from my HP mold.


I have a couple of Highway Patrolman Model 28's, and those loads are great in them.

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THat 170 grain 358429 was the solution to making my 38 SPL SP101 shoot to point of aim in my hands. (And it a great snowshoe hare load with 800X or Unique.


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I cast that 358429 bullet with a two hole mold and with a lot of added tin in the mixture. I load it in a magnum case with 8 grains of Unique or 14 grains of 2400. As you can see from that box I just pulled off the shelf, I've been loading .357 magmums for awhile. That box was issued to me in 1970 at the National Police Pistol Championship Matches in Jackson, Mississippi where they were held at the Highway Patrol Pistol Range. I was a lowly deputy sheriff representing the Jones County, Mississippi Sheriff's department at the time. The high caliber of shooters who were there set an example for me as to what a good shooter could do with a handgun and it stuck with me.

If you shoot that bullet much, you will see it can be as accurate as any wadcutter and it will kill deer, hogs, and any other thing it hits.


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Mr. Wills,

How do you keep your 550B so darned clean?

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laugh. Because I am a squared away guy who likes his gear clean and neat. It's no problem if you clean your press every time you finish using it like I do. I bought that press in 1977 believe it or not and there is no telling how many 10's of thousands of rounds have been loaded on it. I did send it back to Dillon once about ten years ago to be refitted. It came back like new and they didn't charge me a nickel. Can't say enough about their customer service. I also have an old Lyman All American press mounted on that bench, and except for the paint being worn off in places, it is just as clean and I have been loading on it since 1968.

I wish that 550 was a 650, but I don't shoot enough any more to justify doing that now.

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I've been shooting the 170gr Keith loaded up over 5.0 gr Unique in 38 Spl cases. About 900 fps from the 4" Security Six. Shoots great, no leading to speak of.

I haven't really leaned on it.

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Up above I said I load that 358429 bullet with 8 grains of Unique. Actually I loaded it with 8 grains of Herco and 7 grains of Unique. I quit using Herco when a friend on the police department blew the cylinder out and the top strap completely off of an otherwise perfectly good Model 19 Smith using it. But you boys know to check loading data, so I hope no harn was done.

Well Montana, that is a good combination you are shooting there, but you probably can't get the velocity up high enough in a 4 inch barrel to cause any significant leading unless you shoot dead soft lead, or unless the bore is rough in your revolver, and Ruger isn't known for having that problem.

Most of us shoot wheel weights, linotype, babbit, or tin in some combination and even straight wheel weights won't give you any problems at or below about 1200 FPS. I believe Ron mentioned something about shooting in a rifle and you can get the velocity up high enough to cause leading issues in that case. That may be why he chose to go with a gas check design instead of the plain base that is on the 358429 bullet. As a general rule, I stay away from gas check designs unless I am going to shoot that bullet in a center fire rifle or a Contender/Encore. But he has me confused saying he got a 561 mold. I think he meant a 156 and just got the numbers juxaposed somehow.

I usually throw in a one pound bar of pure tin into every 19 pounds of wheel weights in a 20 pound pot because tin makes the metal fill out the mold really well with nice, sharp flats and I like shiny bullets that you get with tin. grin Like I said, I like neat, clean stuff. Guys see my loading room and freak out because it is kept neat and clean. It's an old habit I guess, but I don't have to go looking for anything. I know right where it is supposed to be.


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