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It's time to start working toward the summer Campfire fun at Armijo Springs, NM. The SW gang that created this event (krp, dennisinaz, Darby, CCCC, mudhen, Roninaz, THOMAS MAGNUM) will use this thread for info and planning.

The gathering will take place July 15-17 at Armijo Springs Campground in the Apache/Gila NF. Some will arrive early and stay late, which simply adds to the enjoyment. We had 54 participants last summer, the largest group yet, and that number included 14 ladies and 11 kids. Of course, we encourage those. Actually, our total number is secondary – it's been great no matter the number.

FOOD: Master cook will be krp (Kent) with Darby (Joe) as chief helper and others to be ID'd. They will lead all of the meal planning and organize the volunteered food

SHOOTING: Although there always is plenty of impromptu firearms activity, denninsinaz (Dennis) and CCCC (Paul) will set up/run the organized shoots. Special shooting aspects this year – more later.

CAMP: The campground has ample nice flat sites for tents vehicles and RVs and it features a one-hole unisex USFS privy (no issues with gender mysteries or discrimination). Those who arrive a bit early or stay after have been very good about helping with set up and clean up, and we need that. CCCC will honcho the setup on Thursday PM/Friday AM. He will provide tarps and most of the rope needed for the main shelter and shooting covers, ladders/tools, the US Flag, extra water supply and some other items. Everyone takes responsibility for leaving the place clean – some pitch in with final clean-up.

DRIVING:
From the north:
US Rte. 60 west from Socorro, NM or east from Springerville, AZ.
In Quemado, NM, take NM Rte. 32 south for about 18 miles, passing mile mark 24
Look for sign “Armijo Springs”, turn east (left) on CR A021 and proceed about 4 miles
Turn right at “Y”, drive a bit and listen/look for the commotion.

From the south through Reserve, NM:
NM Rte. 12 east to Apache Creek, then north on NM Rte 32 about 23.5 miles, passing mile mark 23.
Look for sign “Armijo Springs”, turn east (right) on CR A021 and proceed about 4 miles.
Same final.

So, mark the dates, make your plans and advise ASAP if you are coming, volunteer to bring good stuff as practical (just bring yourself if you are traveling long distance) and come prepared to enjoy some fine folks and moments.

Later posts – soon to come – will address food and other needs. Specifics on the shooting contests will be posted within the next 10 days.

IT IS RESPECTFULLY REQUESTED THAT THIS THREAD BE MADE A STICKY.


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Thanks for the post, Paul!!!!


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No, they are not.

My presence is required at a training conference in Seattle, WA that week and it begins on Friday. frown This is one I am pretty much required to be at.

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Paul, thanks for the post. Alan, a friend (Mike), and I are planning on being there.


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Sorry you won't be there Ed but Bev and I will be there.


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Originally Posted by elkhunternm
Gonna try and make it.


Me too.

The question is how many family can come, since my wife is still struggling with the USG about her Green Card and has to await an interview, yet to be scheduled(!), in Tokyo and she will have our 7yo daughter with her. Bummer. At least I can get more work done while they are away.

Meanwhile Syrian illegals are pouring across the Southern border. crazy


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Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
No, they are not.

My presence is required at a training conference in Seattle, WA that week and it begins on Friday. frown This is one I am pretty much required to be at.

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"The Warden" and will make every effort to be there - with grandkids - and maybe even children! smile smile


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Oh. I forgot to mention. I will be there!


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It's a bit of a drive, but I'm going to see if I can make this work.


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I am planning on attending again this year. Rio7

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Originally Posted by Oldman03
Paul, thanks for the post. Alan, a friend (Mike), and I are planning on being there.


Randy, if young Mr. Alan comes and can get possession of some more homemade shine. I'd send him some money to bring enough... if it ain't breaking some inner'state hooch law.

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See all you reprobates there agin...

Except Ed, we change the date every year cause he bitches, and every year he's doing his hair or sumpin.

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I am, too! It's a different hair each time so I have a different excuse. grin

Seriously, I really miss you guys and this Gathering.

I am going to send my Howell rifles and some ammo so y'all can enjoy them, even if I'm not there to see it.

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Originally Posted by kingston
It's a bit of a drive, but I'm going to see if I can make this work.


Bogtrotter and his lovely wife came from New England a few years ago. Visited the Grand Canyon and maybe Vegas also.

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Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
I am, too! It's a different hair each time so I have a different excuse. grin

Seriously, I really miss you guys and this Gathering.

I am going to send my Howell rifles and some ammo so y'all can enjoy them, even if I'm not there to see it.

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Well DARBY misses you... says you're the only one that will taste his food to see if I spit in it.

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Ed - just saw your frowns. This is not good - don't like it - sure will miss you.


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Well my smiling deadpan will be there.... unless the Creeks rise etc...

Don't know if the wife can make it.... the hospital is putting in some software system, and her dept is a pivot point.... and some Einstein upper Level Management has screwed up the implementation and they are behind 60 days or more...so there may be a freeze on all vacations because of it...

She really really enjoyed herself there last year.... even moreso with the Grand Canyon excursion on the way home...

Let me know if I can bring anything beside my old Sad Sack Face...

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Originally Posted by Seafire
Well my smiling deadpan will be there.... unless the Creeks rise etc...

Don't know if the wife can make it.... the hospital is putting in some software system, and her dept is a pivot point.... and some Einstein upper Level Management has screwed up the implementation and they are behind 60 days or more...so there may be a freeze on all vacations because of it...

She really really enjoyed herself there last year.... even moreso with the Grand Canyon excursion on the way home...

Let me know if I can bring anything beside my old Sad Sack Face...


I hope we both can make it. A really great venue, well worth the trip for you and I had a great time meeting those who stayed late!


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My plans are to be there. It will take a lot to change them. miles


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Originally Posted by krp
Well DARBY misses you... says you're the only one that will taste his food to see if I spit in it.
Kent


You know I taste test Darby's food, I know I taste test Darby's food, Darby knows I taste test his food and you and I know that you would never tamper with it.

Darby does NOT know that I wouldn't... wink

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Hello All.

I'll be there again this year. Not sure if the wife will be attending this time. I might need to buy a trailer to entice her.

Paul, I'm going to try to get there a few days early. Maybe Tuesday, and for sure by Wednesday. I'll help with whatever tasks need taken care of.

Ed. We understand. Sure wish that you could be there. You will be sorely missed.

Kent- Any food assignments? Let me know. Maybe send me a PM. I'm glad to help out.


John. I might need to sit down with you and talk Blue Dot and .223 I have a bottle sitting around here that needs to get used up.

As for the rest of you, I'm looking forward to renewing our friendship.


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Unfortunately this one will likely never work for me as I head to Idaho for the summer. It sounds like a great trip.


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C'mon Ed - you haven't even seen the "shoot" descriptions yet and it's not far. You'll probably need a break from ID by then and feel sure you would enjoy this unusual commotion.


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I'll be there. Likely just me and the kids or just me. Those thunderstorms last year played hell with Brandy's migraines. She loves it up there though so there is a chance she'll come.

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Can't make it. I'll be in AK with the better half fishing for salmon on the Kenai River.

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Originally Posted by THOMASMAGNUM
I'll be there. Likely just me and the kids or just me. Those thunderstorms last year played hell with Brandy's migraines. She loves it up there though so there is a chance she'll come.


We had thunderstorms last year???!!!???!!!

Wow, that shine Alan brought was potent!!!!

It's some good stuff! Smeuuuth as "Guzzler's Gin"!


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Paul, thanks for the post. Alan, a friend (Mike), and I are planning on being there.


Randy, if young Mr. Alan comes and can get possession of some more homemade shine. I'd send him some money to bring enough... if it ain't breaking some inner'state hooch law.

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Kent, it's against the law to make hooch, so I dont know what you are talking about. Must have us mixed up with some hooligans from somewhere in your past.

But, if we find anymore of them quart jars, laying around, we'll try and bring a few. whistle


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Spring water... I don't know where I got the term hooch... spring water.

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Spring water... I don't know where I got the term hooch... spring water.

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From the bayou. Yeah, that's it. Bayou Spring Water. Must be like that Hot Springs Soda Water I tried last May. Outstanding stuff..

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Originally Posted by EdM
Unfortunately this one will likely never work for me as I head to Idaho for the summer. It sounds like a great trip.


It is about 1350 mile for me but we are going. We plan to get there a couple of days early and may stay a day late. Probably stay a day or two in Caldwell then head south. You can follow us if you want. It is worth tube trip.


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Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
No, they are not.

My presence is required at a training conference in Seattle, WA that week and it begins on Friday. frown This is one I am pretty much required to be at.

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Got a good friend lives down your way. Big guy, real big guy. How about I ask him to go see you and maybe break both legs. Then you will ha e an excuse not to go to Seattle and someone could bring you up to Quemado in a wheel chair.


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Hey Scott, Ed's just a 'party pooper'! Probably wouldn't want to do anything if he came to Quemado, but eat, sleep, tell lies, and shoot guns. Folks like that can be...


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I'm not bringing my green horn buddy from inner city St Louis or my ammo bag this year either!


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Some pictures from last year.

Ponderosa pines, crisp mornings, elk chirping alarm clocks.

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I'm not bringing my green horn buddy from inner city St Louis or my ammo bag this year either!


Hey, Jon! Last we heard, you didn't even have an ammo bag anymore! grin

Did you do the elk hunt and how did that work out?

Bring the family. If my wife and daughter (age 7 now) are back from Japan, I plan to include them.


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Did you finally figure out where the bag went to? Or is it long gone ?


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Dennis and I think we have settled on the important details of the shooting events/contests. Additional info may come later. Shown below are the the lineup and the requirements. Good shooting - have fun.

FRIDAY AFTERNOON TUNE-UP SHOOT
2:00 pm – Turkey Rimfire Shoot

Shooters may use any rim fire sporting rifle with open or aperture sights (no scope or lighted lens sights) from any hunting position, but not from a bench or stationary rest. Sitting, prone, free-standing shooting sticks, tripod, etc. are OK. Once at the firing line, total time allowed is 4 minutes. Target will be a reduced-size picture of a turkey at approximately 30 yards, with a colored dot at a vital place. Smallest 5 shot group having at least one shot within the dot scores highest. There may be second and third place winners.

FRIDAY EVENING COMPETITION SHOOT
4:30 pm – Long Range .22 Rimfire Shoot

Shooters may use any .22 Rimfire sporting rifle, any sights and shoot from any position. Total time allowed once at the firing spot is 5 minutes. Shooters will fire five shots at an appropriately sized orange circle at a distance of approximately 150 yards. The shooter firing the smallest 5 shot group having at least one shot within the orange circle scores highest. There may be second and third place winners. Shooting bags are not provided. If you plan to use bags, please be prepared with your own.

SATURDAY COMPETITION SHOOTS
9:00 am - Prairie Dog Shoot

Shooters may use any sporting firearm, any sights, and shoot from any position. Total time allowed once at the firing spot is 3 minutes. Shooters will fire one shot from a cold barrel at a simulated PD with 1/2" dot on chest at a distance of approximately 200 yards. Shot closest to the center of the dot is the winner. There may be second and third place winners. Shooting bags are not provided. If you plan to use bags, please be prepared with your own.

10:30 am (or as soon thereafter as possible) – Steel Shoot
This will be a 6 SHOT match where multiple steel targets of different sizes and at different ranges will be engaged. Scoring is based on the color of the targets. There will be three colors worth 10, 8 and 5 points. Highest point total wins. Match must be shot from a field position (no bench rest). Bags, shooting sticks, bipods, tall tripods are allowed. Adjustable tripod style front bench rests are not allowed. Rifle can be any caliber but is limited to a case capacity similar to a 30-06 (to save the steel). No AP bullets allowed. Rifle must be a sporting rifle, not a match rifle. No sight restrictions. Total time allowed once at the firing line is 6 minutes.

1:00 pm - Dangerous Game Shoot
This match will involve a moving target at less than 50 yards. There will be a total of 3 shots available. Rifle must be a legitimate dangerous game type rifle. Minimum caliber is 9.3mm. Minimum energy is 3600 lbs-ft. (9.3x62 full power loads) No reduced loads in larger calibers. Shooters must use open or aperture sights - no scopes. Action can be bolt, double or single shot. No lever actions. 45-70s, 405 Winchesters do not qualify. This is a work in progress and will be tweaked as we set up the range.

KEN HOWELL REMEMBRANCE

Ken always did his best to visit us during these summer gatherings, at least for an afternoon or so. It seems fitting, due to his recent passing, that we do something special this summer in remembrance. Following on a great suggestion by one of our loyal and long-distance participants, you are encouraged to bring any Howell rifle – chambered in one of his cartridges and/or one of his many gifts to Campfire folks – to show and share for shooting by others. Bring ammo too. At a later time we will announce just when during the weekend this activity will be featured.


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Man am I sorry that I am going to miss this. The shooting plans look great.


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there was a fellow at the lake roosevelt gathering that shot a reminton model 14 in .30carbine. And I can't remember his name. If he sees this or someone knows who it is appreciate letting me know. thx.


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Geez Dennis,

Is that all I am? I am retired now and short of a bit of RDS stock I like cheap gas. Well, not really... grin

Next summer, with our last son off to college prior, I will work to book this trip before heading north. I truly enjoyed my first trip to Tonto this year and with son #3 in college my wife and I should be able to haul the trailer and join.


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I remember the remington, cause i have one. But not like his. It was made to replicate a rifle made for the canadian mounties. Barrel had been chopped to 18inches, and a nice peep installed on the back of the reciever.
I was watching the sight in on that scoped rifle, and he pulled the carbine out and first round rang the gong. We were both laughing. Pretty good for a 100 year old rifle.


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That was me with the 30 Rem carbine. I had a great time at the Tonto Basin get-together.

I am keeping Armijo Springs in mind as a possibility. I would sure like to make it if the stars will align for it to work out. It will be a fine group of folks, for sure.


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Originally Posted by nifty-two-fifty
That was me with the 30 Rem carbine. I had a great time at the Tonto Basin get-together.

I am keeping Armijo Springs in mind as a possibility. I would sure like to make it if the stars will align for it to work out. It will be a fine group of folks, for sure.

sending you a private messasge
by the way i got my rifle back. the fellow just had too much going on in his life to make rem30 brass out of 30.30 brass for me.

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That was me with the 30 Rem carbine. I had a great time at the Tonto Basin get-together.

I am keeping Armijo Springs in mind as a possibility. I would sure like to make it if the stars will align for it to work out. It will be a fine group of folks, for sure.


"Fine group of folks"?

I've been there - "renegades" is more fitting! smile smile smile


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That was me with the 30 Rem carbine. I had a great time at the Tonto Basin get-together.

I am keeping Armijo Springs in mind as a possibility. I would sure like to make it if the stars will align for it to work out. It will be a fine group of folks, for sure.


"Fine group of folks"?

I've been there - "renegades" is more fitting! smile smile smile



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That was me with the 30 Rem carbine. I had a great time at the Tonto Basin get-together.

I am keeping Armijo Springs in mind as a possibility. I would sure like to make it if the stars will align for it to work out. It will be a fine group of folks, for sure.

sending you a private messasge
by the way i got my rifle back. the fellow just had too much going on in his life to make rem30 brass out of 30.30 brass for me.


Ron,

Buffalo Arms did have a new shipment of 30 Remington brass and some ammo . I I dunno if they still have any in stock mightcheck their website.

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I'm not bringing my green horn buddy from inner city St Louis or my ammo bag this year either!


Hey, Jon! Last we heard, you didn't even have an ammo bag anymore! grin

Did you do the elk hunt and how did that work out?

Bring the family. If my wife and daughter (age 7 now) are back from Japan, I plan to include them.


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I'm marking my calendar. Hope to be able to make it work.
This is very good - hope you can bring the sons.


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I think have a picture of Miles at Ed's place in Gilmer. I think he fried up about 273 lbs of bacon. It was great stuff.


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First year there I could not keep Paladin from eating it half raw. Also first time I ever cooked bacon in a wok. miles


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I'm marking my calendar. Hope to be able to make it work.
This is very good - hope you can bring the sons.


That's what we are trying to figure out. Son #1 has the Rocky Mountain Leadership Camp at CSU-Pueblo that week and is done about noon Friday. The following week, they both have a barbershop camp in Estes Park and then #1 is off immediately from there to Ontario to compete in the 2016 North American Envirothon (Forestry, wildlife, aquatics and soils). We might have to pack light if his Mom let's him be gone for three weeks straight..


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First year there I could not keep Paladin from eating it half raw. Also first time I ever cooked bacon in a wok. miles


Since you admit to being a skilled bacon cook... You have been unanimously chosen to be the 'official bacon chef'.

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First year there I could not keep Paladin from eating it half raw. Also first time I ever cooked bacon in a wok. miles


Since you admit to being a skilled bacon cook... You have been unanimously chosen to be the 'official bacon chef'.

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First year there I could not keep Paladin from eating it half raw. Also first time I ever cooked bacon in a wok. miles

Miles, did anyone get up the courage to tell you that the bacon you cooked in your wok tasted like sweet and sour cat?


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First year there I could not keep Paladin from eating it half raw. Also first time I ever cooked bacon in a wok. miles


Since you admit to being a skilled bacon cook... You have been unanimously chosen to be the 'official bacon chef'.

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I second the motion.

All in favor ?


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Scott, you got that new camper all figured out? Ready to hitch on and go? If this &*%$# cancer will allow it, I plan on being there with my old Chinook.


Yep. I can have it hitched up, packed, and ready to go in less than twenty minutes. Praying you beat it and can come. Love to spend some fire time with you.


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if you promise not to slobber on it, i might bring along a model 14circa 1914. Do to the kindness of some people on this forum i actually now have brass for it. Or is that too late a vintage?
I need ammo for a mauser 71/84 straight pull by the way, the metallic black powder stuff.


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Dang I had four rounds on my old work bench when I left, Ron! For real!!!

Oh and postscript,

I'll let you slobber on several of the newest additions to the pile of 1895 Winchesters I'm abringin'!

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When are you two slobberers going to leap a century?


Which direction?


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Fixed it for you. Don't mind helping anyway that I can. miles


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When are you two slobberers going to leap a century?


Damn Paul! When I finally got to the 20 century, they went and changed it on me!!

So I figger it will take me least another 40 years to catch up.


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In the rim fire turkey shoot Friday afternoon, does a lighted lens include fiber optic front sight?

Nah - it's good to go - no battery power.


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Wern't my wok, but belonged to a fellow from West Texas. I think I got all of that cooked out of it. miles


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When are you two slobberers going to leap a century?


Damn Paul! When I finally got to the 20 century, they went and changed it on me!!

So I figger it will take me least another 40 years to catch up.

and one finds one retrogressing. I have some 41brass tumbling right now, to load a 175 grain lead powdercoated bullet in. And with the powder i got today i am looking for around 750-800fps. and i got to thinking. of that flat spring colt double action 1892 in 41colt that they made like three different diameter bullets for. and aren't i duplicating that? oh wait a minute, i spied a box of brand new 38wcf brass i used to load those old colt bisley saa's at 180grain bullet at about 800fps. Then i get confused.
As to the 1895's yes, i will admit i WANT one. Preferable in 30govrnment. and the reason i don't have one is i know where there is one sitting in a safe from that period that has never been fired. and he ain't gonna sell it, but he let me hold it one day. the last century was better, in so many ways.
i got a rifle that came out of afkanistan. a british army rifle dated around 1860 something a snyder. has the leather, bayonet, all of it. and i have got to get some 577 ammo put together for it. got that in a carbine too that probably hasn't been fired since 1870.

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"i got a rifle that came out of afkanistan. a british army rifle dated around 1860 something a snyder. has the leather, bayonet, all of it. and i have got to get some 577 ammo put together for it. got that in a carbine too that probably hasn't been fired since 1870."

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When I get to Quemado I will explain the method we employed to make ammo for the .577 Snider. Sure to raise an eyebrow! Would certainly make the most fearsome Afridi tribesman giggle!

I will edit and say it's cheap, easy, and relatively safe!

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In the rim fire turkey shoot Friday afternoon, does a lighted lens include fiber optic front sight?




Huh?


Most important thing is to bring your 22s sighted in for 150 yards. It takes quite a bit of twisting on the scope to come up from squirrel zero to 150 zero.


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Huh? Dennis, I think the inquiry is about the open/iron sight rimfire turkey shoot at normal yardage (no scopes) - not the 150 yard .22 rimfire challenge.



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When are you two slobberers going to leap a century?


Most likely when I do! smile


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When are you two slobberers going to leap a century?


Most likely when I do! smile


Mark! You gonna bring that M1905 winchester of yours? I'm throwing my 32/20 Colt in the truck this year too!


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Dang, all this old iron... maybe we could have an old/fart old/ iron shoot....

This could be fun... Hamms beer cans at a 100 yards...

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I read somewhere that Bob has give up on Hamms, so we would not have enough targets. miles


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Yeah. But I'll prolly have a case or two of Pearl! Them cans make pretty targets!!!


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Dang, all this old iron... maybe we could have an old/fart old/ iron shoot....

This could be fun... Hamms beer cans at a 100 yards...


Mebbe 50 yards. After, We are old ( and some are blind) farts!


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Mark! You gonna bring that M1905 winchester of yours? I'm throwing my 32/20 Colt in the truck this year too!


I'll try to remember the 1905 (missing the rear sight - hint, hint), and see your Colt 32-20 with another! Might even bring the Marlin takedown in 32-20 smile


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Any interest in me bringing a 1893 Marlin in 25/20? I've heard the manufacture date was 1894 and then someone else deduced it was 1906....

history on the rifle, is it belonged to a Doctor friend of mine who passed, it was handed down thru his family... his Great Grandfather had bought it new in Indiana...

Damon and his wife never had any children and he had one sister, who is a typical San Francisco leftist, anti everything normal.. they did not get along.

She actually wanted the rifle, so she could destroy it, claiming it had been a family embarrassment.. so at the twelfth hour it was given to me...after he passed in 2003.

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Well, I'm going to bring Alan's brand-new, in 1937, Win model 62.

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Sounds like this is shaping up to be quite a vintage affair! I mean vintage firearms too!!!


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[quote=kaywoodie]Sounds like this is shaping up to be quite a vintage affair! I mean vintage firearms too!!! [/quote

Uffda...been called many things in life...some good... some not so good...

But...

VINTAGE?....

uFFda...

Now this here is the "vintage" area at Armijo Springs...

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Brian,

I think most of us attending are what would be considered 'vintage'... maybe instead we need to set up a kids range for the younger crowd, 40 and under...

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Originally Posted by mark shubert
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Mark! You gonna bring that M1905 winchester of yours? I'm throwing my 32/20 Colt in the truck this year too!


I'll try to remember the 1905 (missing the rear sight - hint, hint), and see your Colt 32-20 with another! Might even bring the Marlin takedown in 32-20 smile


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I may have several sights that might just work. A couple may even be Winchester. I will bring them!


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Us old guy's like old guns,by the way I remember when no one we knew in the whole county had a scoped rifle, we called open sites iron sites because a peep site was not an open site to us, I have some old iron that I can bring to shoot that has not been shot in years.think I will dig it out and bring it along. Rio7

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This sounds like it is going to be a lot of fun.


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Brian,

I think most of us attending are what would be considered 'vintage'... maybe instead we need to set up a kids range for the younger crowd, 40 and under...


John, probably ought'a make that 50 and under! smile


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Originally Posted by mark shubert
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Brian,

I think most of us attending are what would be considered 'vintage'... maybe instead we need to set up a kids range for the younger crowd, 40 and under...


John, probably ought'a make that 50 and under! smile


Or 60 and under! When I was 50, I could still see!!!


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I haven't been able to "see" officially since 1963 - my "good" eye was 20/150. I used-to-could shoot OK, though. smile


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I can still shoot just fine at 67. I have no idea if I ever hit anything but I can still shoot.


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No....I'm 56 and I lost the ability to focus the front sight last year. I need a sympathetic optometrist who can make some glasses for me so I can see the front sight again.

All I've got that is iron-sighted is an M1A and a handful of handguns.

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FYI Wife and I have penciled in our rout and dated. We plan to be there on the afternoon or early evening of the 13th. I also plan on bringing a saw to cut up some fire wood. Does anyone know if those piles of wood are still there.


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Originally Posted by EdM
Missing this is killing me....


Ed, this is important. Think about it.


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I want to hang around a bunch of old farts like myself. My wife works for Southern Illinois University in Carbondale. All these youngsters everywhere has begun to wear on me.

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Originally Posted by EdM
Missing this is killing me....


One simple way to eliminate that problem Ed...

once someone has been to one of these, they are considered a regular....

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Trust me, this I understand. The issue is our last son's "getting ready for college trip to A&M" that my dear wife has volunteered for without me in trade for getting the Idaho house "ready for her arrival". When the dust settles we have reached a compromise, the story of our happy 33 years... I, maybe we, will be at Tonto next year.


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It's a 1200 mile trek for me. Long ride.

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Originally Posted by Magnumdood
It's a 1200 mile trek for me. Long ride.


that's about the distance I drive every year to get there...

and that's even driving thru California, or sparse and barren Nevada....

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It take me almost 10 hrs. to get out of Texas, then it's 8 hrs, to Armijo Springs,it's worth the effort just to visit with everyone. Rio7

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Bingo! My yearly pilgrimage. I gotta get out of here. Will be nice not to deal with stifling humidity for a while.

I'm gonna tote my 9.3 x 62 along this time, as well as several wore out 1895 Winchesters. And a handgun or two!!!!

Oldest son was making some noise about showing up again this year. Miles, I'm sure he'll have your little Buddy in tow.


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Bob, I would like to see both of them again. I bet Mike has grown since I last saw Him. miles


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Originally Posted by Seafire
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It's a 1200 mile trek for me. Long ride.


that's about the distance I drive every year to get there...

and that's even driving thru California, or sparse and barren Nevada....


How long does it take you?

Is it a tent/camper affair? Are there any hotel rooms within a reasonable driving distance?

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Around 1100 for me. Depends on which route I choose. miles


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Originally Posted by Seafire
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It's a 1200 mile trek for me. Long ride.


that's about the distance I drive every year to get there...

and that's even driving thru California, or sparse and barren Nevada....


It is a 24 hour drive for me.


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Magnumdood - yes, it's tent/other camping at a small NFS campgound with an anygender toilet. We bring everything we need in, especially some fine folks.

The nearest motels (two - one quite decent) are 22 miles away (4mi. on gravel rod and 18mi. paved).


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Well, the shoot plans are shaping up. Should be big fun.

A rare event - recently came across a prarie dog on our place (seems like only one) and tried to figger out how to catch it - maybe could make the PD shoot real for at least one shooter. But, was out fixing some far fence this AM and that critter popped up again in a new place. Went to the house and grabbed the only .22 sitting out and went back to fence work. Before long he popped up again about 75 yards away. This Marlin 56 has peep sight and is set for 25 yards - held a bit high and nailed his head. Big/fat one (Gunnison type) probably because he had all the grub to himself.

The PDs on the shoot targets are not that big. And, they are 200 yards out.


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It's a 1200 mile trek for me. Long ride.


that's about the distance I drive every year to get there...

and that's even driving thru California, or sparse and barren Nevada....


How long does it take you?

Is it a tent/camper affair? Are there any hotel rooms within a reasonable driving distance?


I suppose we should have put up the motel info, quite a few folks use the motel and drive the 30 minutes to camp.

Largo Motel in Quemado, it has a good cafe and the owner has mounts from guiding hunts. (575) 773-4686

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First year there I could not keep Paladin from eating it half raw. Also first time I ever cooked bacon in a wok. miles

Miles, you make the best half raw bacon I've ever et. The full raw stuff in Tonto a couple of years ago was pretty good as well but I don't remember who made it.



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I certainly want to but don't know at this point. As always, it depends on work, or lack thereof.



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Does anyone need brass? .270--.308--.243-- 9mm--.45acp--.223, that's what I have the most of but have some other stuff also haven't got it all sorted out yet. we have been bagging it up in baggies about 100 pieces per bag.

I will give it to who ever wants it for a donation to the kitchen crew for food and whatever. let me know what you need and if I have it I will bring it. Rio7

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I could use a hundred 308.


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sign me up for some 243. a bag or two would be fine.

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Seafire, OK.
Scott F, Gotcha covered.

Add .40 and .204 to the list don't have a lot maybe 500 pieces.

Have 3 ranch hands sons sorting brass, we may be finished by this evening, if we find anything else worth posting I will post it. THanks Rio7

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If anyone has some 444 brass, I am looking to make some 45 Colt shot shells.


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I'd send a check to the procurement officer, just in case "The Warden" and I can't make it.
Let me know to whom.


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Blue,

I can always use .270 brass. Between me and the older grandkids, I have several to feed.

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Howdy Ben, You are talking to the right guy, how much do you need? we bagged around 2500 pieces today of once fired Hornady, and some Federal. Blue

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I have a little more that a hundred 45 Auto Rim up for adoption. If somebody has a Webley the work well.

Also Brian and I have been working on a fun shoot. We plan to bring the equipment and ammo for a bowling pin fun shoot. If anyone can fins a few bowling pins it would be helpful. I have the required ten pins but having a few extras is a good thing. Usually if you ask a a bowling alley the will give you some scrap pins.



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I have a little more that a hundred 45 Auto Rim up for adoption. If somebody has a Webley the work well.

Also Brian and I have been working on a fun shoot. We plan to bring the equipment and ammo for a bowling pin fun shoot. If anyone can fins a few bowling pins it would be helpful. I have the required ten pins but having a few extras is a good thing. Usually if you ask a a bowling alley the will give you some scrap pins.



this bowling pin thing makes me nervous. does that mean i have to put more powder in the casings?


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Don't you have a Webley? Interested in adopting some orphaned brass?


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Also Brian and I have been working on a fun shoot. We plan to bring the equipment and ammo for a bowling pin fun shoot. If anyone can fins a few bowling pins it would be helpful. I have the required ten pins but having a few extras is a good thing. Usually if you ask a a bowling alley the will give you some scrap pins.



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Blue - I place myself at the end of the line behind others who may need brass, but can use some .243, .45ACP, and/or .223 if there is any left.


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Blue - I place myself at the end of the line behind others who may need brass, but can use some .243, .45ACP, and/or .223 if there is any left.


Blue if you only have a small amount of 243 brass, put Paul ahead of me.

Paul, If you need 223 brass, PM me.

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Wow, looks like somebody actually hit it! Amazing!!! grin


What the heck Scott! I hit the bowling pin every time I took a shot.. granted that they were the ones that were to the left or right of the one I was aiming at... BUT I still hit one Every TIME....

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Paul, I have a lot of.243?? nickle plated or brass, will bring a bunch,also plenty of .223 and ,45 not as much but may be 5-6 hundred pieces I think I have you covered,

Seafire, not to worry I have plenty of .243


Scott, I have a bunch of bowling pins I can throw in my trailer, don't know how many how about 10??

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Blue,

Please put me down for a couple hundred .270 cases--a hundred of each headstamp, if it's not too much trouble.

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Ben, got ya covered, we didn't sort by head stamp, it's a get what you get, catch as catch can kinda deal, but it all should be one or the other. Rio7

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Paul, I have a lot of.243?? nickle plated or brass, will bring a bunch,also plenty of .223 and ,45 not as much but may be 5-6 hundred pieces I think I have you covered,

Seafire, not to worry I have plenty of .243


Scott, I have a bunch of bowling pins I can throw in my trailer, don't know how many how about 10??

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if you do sort nickle from regular brass, I'd prefer the nickle...

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Don't you have a Webley? Interested in adopting some orphaned brass?

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i have at least three revolvers that use it. And will take it assuming no response from others.


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If anyone has some 444 brass, I am looking to make some 45 Colt shot shells.

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i would have to go look but i think i made some of that 45colt shot shells using .410 shotgun wads. I think i used an inverted 44gas check at the mouth, or you can use a casing to cut steyrofoam to enclose. then i used a hot glue gun to seal.
i bought a bag of no12 shot on line, only place i could find it.
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Hello Blue.

I too would be interested in .223 & .243 What ever is avail after the others get their shares.

Thanks,

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Thanks for all of this, Blue. Very generous with your time and effort.


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Brass, here's about 1/2 of what we have bagged so far

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Paul, It's my pleasure, We have so much brass at the end of hunting season, we don't know what to do with it, not many people in this area reload, and I always have more brass than I know what to do with, figured some of the fire members could use it. I have a big box with the brass that's spoken for, with bags marked with names. Blue

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Yes, THANK YOU !


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I still haven't heard who to send a check for supplies (food, paper goods, water, any other necessaries)
We're hoping to make it, but (again) will not be sure 'til shortly before time.


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Mark - a considerate and responsible thought, but best to wait until you know you are coming and then check in to find what we may need you to bring - or you could donate something to the food cause once you get here.


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Originally Posted by mark shubert
I still haven't heard who to send a check for supplies (food, paper goods, water, any other necessaries)
We're hoping to make it, but (again) will not be sure 'til shortly before time.


You have to come Mark. I can't be the only google looking one there.


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Speaking of supplies....

Kent, get with me. I have a few things to drop off to you.


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Would not miss it ! Are dogs okay ?

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Originally Posted by mountainpappa
Would not miss it ! Are dogs okay ?


You getting married Larry?


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Ignore him.


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The only of his names I have not put on ignore yet. It was just to good an opening to pass up. I will not see if he replies just as we will not see him at the gathering.


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Personally, I hope he shows.
I 'd like to see if he's as big an A-hole in person - or not.


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Blue,do you have any 6mm Remington brass?



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I 'd like to see if he's as big an A-hole in person - or not.


I have no desire to see him for any reason. miles


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I have no desire to see him for any reason. miles
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Sorry no 6mm. Rio7

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Ok.


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Blue-
Hope you invited Jude back down again this year.


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Originally Posted by jmgraham1986
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Hope you invited Jude back down again this year.


Yeah, I second that... I really enjoyed talking to your son the last time he was there Blue...

great kid, nice guy...

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I would like to meet him too.


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I have asked Jude, to come again this year,he had a great time last year. and enjoyed meeting everyone. Rio7

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Hey guys - it's been trying to rain here but nothing much since mid-May, and we need some soakers to make sure the forest is open and safe for our campfires. So, star with the rain dances and burnt offerings.


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If Cross, and Ed toomanyletters would show up - we could burn some Slivovitz with Albanian dwarves. Just do it up proper, so to speak!

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Or maybe just drink the sliv. smile


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We had about half an inch last night in a thunderstorm. Trying again tonight, but I don't think that it's going to get it done. It's too early to start worrying, but the sooner it starts, the better.


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Originally Posted by CCCC
Hey guys - it's been trying to rain here but nothing much since mid-May, and we need some soakers to make sure the forest is open and safe for our campfires. So, star with the rain dances and burnt offerings.


Y'all didn't get any of those clouds I sent your way from here????? We've been pretty dry this week! Figgered them rain clouds was cooperating and headed your way!

I'll try again!


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Kaywoodie - you missed! We've been getting small thunder showers up here, though. 4 tenths last night.
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Got a little rain again last night, proving once again that prognostication is not one of my strong suits. Still, I'm not worrying about USFS banning campfires this year. I think that we only have to worry about everyone in attendance having a dry place to sleep, especially in the third weekend in July.


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Originally Posted by CCCC
Hey guys - it's been trying to rain here but nothing much since mid-May, and we need some soakers to make sure the forest is open and safe for our campfires. So, star with the rain dances and burnt offerings.


Will do. Can you tell me if the piles of wood that were there two years ago are still big enough to use for fire wood? We plan to be there a couple of days early and bring a chain saw to cut wood for the gathering if there is wood to cut. Seems to me that would be easier than hauling it from Oregon.


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There is always wood available anywhere I've camped in AZ or nm, no need to bring any.

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