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I sent Hornady an email, and they confirmed the ELD-M are the SAME as the A-max with the new tip. The ELD-X are a different animal. Email copied below:
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Apr 25
to me
Mr. Lake,
At this point in time the only thing that is different between the A-Max and the ELD-M is the tip.
Thank you
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That's what she said. Somehow there's a correlation in the two scenarios, Somebody's going to get the shaft.
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maybe only in 223 with 75 amax you never see the problem.
I know the BC was as close as you generally get comparing to drop and drift actual shot locations.
Probably never got em hot enough?
But in the end, you'd think, hey, same amax, different material in the tip, same general price would be my thought.... Could be. Probably a big difference in aerodynamic heating, between 2700 fps and 3300fps, when using a bigger cartridge. Even running the amax 75 at 2850 instead of 2700 isn't as much as 3300 I would agree. And when running fast, I don't recall running amax in the 22-250 at 1000, just the 80 jlk and 80 smk at that time...
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Reading further the new ELD M should be same cost or a few pennies more than the old ones due to new tip material.
Unless the new tip material is that bastard unobtanium stuff.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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I swung through Cabelas and saw that they had gotten in some 162 ELD-X's. Grabbed a box to try. Please please please let them be super accurate! ![[Linked Image]](http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r111/handwired/5992D363-FF8A-4F33-B69C-54723F36A0CE.jpg) I like pics showing controlled expansion with attached impact velocities. And, what a BOX!  Here it is next to a 162 Amax.... Amax on the left. Clearly a different bullet. The blood-red tip is a nice touch. ![[Linked Image]](http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r111/handwired/AB67CD8A-A05D-4E05-A502-55AE18ADC340.jpg)
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Dude,
Get a jackrag next time.....
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Jackrag! Thanks, I learned something new today. That should come in handy... 
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Who needs a jackrag when Hornady furnishes 'what a BOX'....
Just jack-in-the-BOX.......
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I may go up and shoot a tester with the X's here this morning..... if they are super accurate, THEN I'll need the.... WTF do you crazy kids call it... "jackrag".... A legit long range bullet that holds together up close remains a bit of a Holy Grail... Good to read that quote from Hornady about the regular ELD's/Amax. When I was emailing with their tech department about it, I never could pin the dude down to saying that specific thing ("it's exactly the same except the tip").... that's comforting. (This all probably sounds a bit crazy to peeps who don't use Amax's but they are such an accurate and just as important EASY bullet to get to shoot really well that any changes are spooky! )
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A legit long range bullet that holds together up close remains a bit of a Holy Grail.. It doesn't exist. But it's no suprise that you would swallow that kind of crap up. At least you got the box open. Congratulations!?!
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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A legit long range bullet that holds together up close remains a bit of a Holy Grail.. It doesn't exist. Sadly so. Early reports are that ELD-X are kind of soft for up close/hv. Time will tell.
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If they could only come out with a more modern tip like bronze or aluminum (some call that silver).
I prefer classic.
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A legit long range bullet that holds together up close remains a bit of a Holy Grail.. It doesn't exist. But it's no suprise that you would swallow that kind of crap up. At least you got the box open. Congratulations!?! Gad, you can be a tool. I'm not talking timber hunting, poop-shoot up close, dingbat. Which you knew. But your tooliness got the better of you. Tool. 
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A legit long range bullet that holds together up close remains a bit of a Holy Grail.. It doesn't exist. But it's no suprise that you would swallow that kind of crap up. At least you got the box open. Congratulations!?! Gad, you can be a tool. I'm not talking timber hunting, poop-shoot up close, dingbat. Which you knew. But your tooliness got the better of you. Tool. Ok. Please explain your current issues with the terminal performance of the Berger VLD and Scenar. And then explain how the magical ELD will solve all of the problems you describe. Please.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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They're phasing them out with their new ELD line of tipped bullets...heat/erosion resistant tips. At this time I think they have 6.5, 7, 30, and 338 offerings. Not sure what their plans are for the remaining calibers with Amax offerings. Steve and Jason Hornady, and company should have spent a little more time planning the 'phasing out' of the AMax. From what I'm seeing the demand for the 6.5mm projectiles - AMax, ELD-M, and ELD-X - is likely beyond their wildest dream. Bare shelves cannot help sell a product - new or old.
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I sent Hornady an email, and they confirmed the ELD-M are the SAME as the A-max with the new tip. The ELD-X are a different animal. Email copied below:
tech
Apr 25
to me
Mr. Lake,
At this point in time the only thing that is different between the A-Max and the ELD-M is the tip.
Thank you Should have asked when they plan on running enough to stock dealer shelves! Bet they have a 'canned' response for that question.
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Ill admit I don't get the whole premium bullet thing. The c&c said have always worked fine for me. From the mfg. perspective it does offer a opportunity for charging more but I'd be a bit concerned about losing market share.
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I may go up and shoot a tester with the X's here this morning..... if they are super accurate, THEN I'll need the.... WTF do you crazy kids call it... "jackrag".... A legit long range bullet that holds together up close remains a bit of a Holy Grail... Good to read that quote from Hornady about the regular ELD's/Amax. When I was emailing with their tech department about it, I never could pin the dude down to saying that specific thing ("it's exactly the same except the tip").... that's comforting. (This all probably sounds a bit crazy to peeps who don't use Amax's but they are such an accurate and just as important EASY bullet to get to shoot really well that any changes are spooky! ) No offense and fellow NM guy to NM guy, but have you ever thought of giving up posting for maybe a few years? I will if you will, at least outside of the classifieds. All to improve the fire!
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I may go up and shoot a tester with the X's here this morning..... if they are super accurate, THEN I'll need the.... WTF do you crazy kids call it... "jackrag".... A legit long range bullet that holds together up close remains a bit of a Holy Grail... Good to read that quote from Hornady about the regular ELD's/Amax. When I was emailing with their tech department about it, I never could pin the dude down to saying that specific thing ("it's exactly the same except the tip").... that's comforting. (This all probably sounds a bit crazy to peeps who don't use Amax's but they are such an accurate and just as important EASY bullet to get to shoot really well that any changes are spooky! ) No offense and fellow NM guy to NM guy, but have you ever thought of giving up posting for maybe a few years? I will if you will, at least outside of the classifieds. All to improve the fire! He did give up for a while, but just like chronic diarrhea he returned.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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