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has a SAFE act legal AR ?

How did you do it ?

It's easy. Do not comply!!
What is safe act legal?

Well, you can do that, but spending years at Sing Sing is not part of my life's plan.

When is the last time you went into St. Paul, with no handgun permit and a 1911 strapped on your hip in plain view ?

Think that is what you want me to do...... ignore the law.

Good luck with the answer, I thought there were a couple NY highpower shooters on teh forum here.

I'd move, but thats just me.

Yes. Ignore the law. The only people that are following the law there are wearing a badge for a living. And that is only because their CO said to comply or loose your job.
I don't go to Slain Paul of Murderapolis so the answer is no. But I did carry every day for over 6 years in Syracuse without a permit because I wasn't going to fork over $250 just for Onondaga county to tell me that I don't have a reason to carry. I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
I'm not trying to be a azss, I'm just telling you what I would and did do until I got smart and moved.

Fixed 10 round mag. Load from the top. It is no longer considered an assault weapon.

what a dumb ass rule... but thats how it is when liberals play.

That does look like the best possibility as long as the lower is manufactured as a fixed. Not a home job with epoxy or nuts and bolts.

The "law" is way vague but the word "receive" a detachable magazine could be implied to mean convertible back is is a no no.

Found this company that makes a "fixed, fixed".

http://www.dark-storm.com/dsi-ds15-assembled-moe-fixed-magazine-lower-receiver-fde-blk.html

As mag may be diassembled while in the gun, you could block it to 5 shot for hunting legal.

Keeping the detach mag requires a ton of expensive changes.

Top loading an AR is fairly easy, about as bad as loading a fixed floorplate, low scoped bolt gun.

"Think that is what you want me to do...... ignore the law.

Yes. Ignore the law. The only people that are following the law there are wearing a badge for a living. And that is only because their CO said to comply or loose your job.
I don't go to Slain Paul of Murderapolis so the answer is no. But I did carry every day for over 6 years in Syracuse without a permit because I wasn't going to fork over $250 just for Onondaga county to tell me that I don't have a reason to carry. I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
I'm not trying to be a azss, I'm just telling you what I would and did do until I got smart and moved."

As for Les, nobody called you names but carrying concealed with no permit in NY, is an invitation to jail. Probably never be caught until when you needed it, shot some minority bad guy and became a poster boy for the gun control freako ADA. You would be a felon (no gun ownership), probably do time and be sued into bankruptcy.
The "12" that would judge you in the Salt City, would be minority, women, no gun owners. When the state was done, the feds would come after you for violating maumau's civil rights. It has happened all over the country. By the time you were free, you will probably wish you had spent 250 bucks !

You think Goetz and Zimmerman would follow the same road again ?

It's one thing to fight for gun rights. It's quite another to break settled law. Even Martin Luther King went to jail and had the FBI watching his every move. His cause sold in NY, your's would not !

1000 you are correct on every statement.
But without knowing someone or having a real good reason to them, I wouldn't have been issued a permit. I'd still rather be alive so I did what I had to do.

We have two "featureless" AR-15's in my home that my son and I just built as a father and son project.

One has a Thordsen FRS-15 stock and an 18" heavy stainless barrel.

The other has a Spur grip with a Patrick Henry trigger guard.

Both have detachable magazines that don't hold over 10 rounds.

We built the lowers ourselves and bought completed uppers. The heavyweight upper online and the lightweight at a gun show.

Dan

Les, back when I got my permit (Rochester) they were no more friendly than now. I didn't have any pull, just a clean record. Got an unrestricted permit. Then moved it to Livingston Cty (very friendly). Only had to pull a gun once, when I caught a victim of white priviledge up under my dash board intent on stealing my car stereo. When the Rochester cops arrived he hollered long and loud:"dat man he got the gun !" The cop said:"you're lucky he didn't shoot you !"

Turns out he was up upstate visiting his sister. He was from NY City, where nobody is armed (except the gang bangers).

Glad you were not caught !

Dantheman, thanks.

Think I'll go with the "fixed,fixed" as I have 4 "evil" uppers. Top loading an AR is no worse than a fixed floorplate, low scope mounted bolt gun.

Some say you can even use stripper clips.

no vertical pistol grip, or thumb-hole grip, so normal rifle style pistol grip complies.

5-rd magazines, or tack-weld the longer magazine in place and top load the rifle. This has to be a "permanent alteration", which I guess means you can't just use chewing gum to weld the magazine.

The AR style Pump rifles are also compliant.

The danger with "do it yourself" magazine "fixing" is that no one has been hauled into court with one.

The law is intentionally vague saying: "Semiautomatic rifles capable of receiving a detachable magazine."

All AR lowers, except the DSI, are manufactured as "capable of receiving". It becomes a judgement call as to just how the modification done by a gun owner qualifies.

DSI's website states their purpose built fixed magazines lowers are "NY SAFE". I'd feel okay with their lower as an attorney could say his/her client was acting in a prudent manner by buying a purpose built lower described as okay by the manufacturer.

While it may never go to court, all it takes is one nutcase taking 3 home made fixed magazine 10 shot ARs into a mall and shooting up the place. Ambitious cops and DAs would go nuts.

Until NY collapses economically and the corrupt Cuomo machine are all locked up, there is little hope things will change.

I was at a gun show in Orange County on Saturday. I saw some AR-15's being sold with what appeared to be "Bullet Buttons" with what looked like epoxy in the hole that the bullet tip would be inserted.

Dan

This one appears to be NY legal. kwg

http://www.aresdefense.com/?page_id=729

Yup it's okay in NY (for now).

Epoxy in bullet button is not. Two minutes with a cigar lighter and it will become evil.

That AR can still "receive" a detachable magazine.

I assume or maybe should say asking, did they grandfather in a provision so you can own a pre safe act AR ? If so; that would seem to be the obvious solution.

An outright ban might require a costly buy back. In general, confiscation without compensation is unconstitutional.

This grandfather scenario is why you see all the panic buying after shootings or prior to elections.

I would rather pay more for the real deal than own a safe full of either cosmetic abortions or functionally challenged guns.

There weren't any military style rifles grandfathered. We had the choice of registering them or selling them out of state. After their specified date, no military style rifles could be registered or legally purchased.

There also isn't any written guidance on converting the rifles to make them legal. I figure NY state would rather that someone be arrested and let the courts decide...if the defendant has the money to fight the charges.

Dan

While I doubt any pro gun legal fund who represent someone who did a homemade fixed magazine modification, I think they would represent someone who purchased a purpose built fixed magazine lower that is "held out" by the manufacturer as being SAFE legal.

The DSI fixed magazine has no magazine release button to worry about. It is a true fixed magazine.

You are correct about the state dodging the issue and all it will take is another nut job to run amuck with ANY semiauto rifle to trigger a Dragnet by ambitious cops and DAs.

If you have a bone stock Ruger 10-22 and put a vertical handgrip/bipod on it your are breaking the law.

ISIS probably is not making their AK-47s "NY legal" !

They have to let you out of jail sometime.

I've read all this, and my conclusion is that I would sell everything I owned and relocate somewhere south of Virginia. Let the liberals have the Northeast. Damned if I'd pay taxes to a state that stole my constitutional rights.

Here is something I found with a google. It maybe ugly, but seems like it would work. If you can legally buy a lower receiver (based on youtube you can) than something like this could be assembled:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...rain-ordnance-ny-legal-ar-15-bro-pg5-ny/

This is NY legal with a 10 shot detachment magazine.

It maybe possible to modify a pre-owned NY AR with this stock and avoid the registration. If the upper was not NY complaint a replacement upper with smooth threaded barrel could be purchased? I guess? Or swap the barrel. The only banned from ownership 'parts' seem to be the magazines. I imagine you could own the parts, barrel and pistol grip, that you removed to make the gun compliant. The hicap magazines could be given to out of state friends or family. If the law was ever repealed or owner moved the parts could be restored.

And here is a NY dealer selling safe act legal ar's

http://ddsranch.com/ruger-ar-556-5-56mm-new-york-state-safe-act-legal-ar-15-type-rifle/


Seems pretty easy. Pay the expected premium. He is also selling Anderson stripped receivers.

I'd go this route with detachable 10 rnd mags over a top load fixed 10rnd

Another option is a ruger ranch rifle with 10 shot magazine.





This stock is an easy swap, build or unbuild - as your legal situation allows. A top loader is more complex modification. I see flash suppressors are allowed if pined in place.

I would move.

another useless post. If not able help, why folks do that?

I guess, that is one way to boost ones post count.... Working toward "campfire guide"

Some people have jobs and family that come before owing a certain gun. Think about it.

I wouldn't live in NY if you gave me the entire state...

like the state upstate, but have no use for its liberals or its leftist democRAT government with the philosophy that no amount of taxation is 'too much'...

Don't get upset.I was just giving my opinion. I wouldn't live in NY for a number of reasons, not all firearms related. Same goes for CA and many other liberal states.

You can live wherever you wish BUT your post is off topic and contributes nothing to the thread.

DD's rifle is not NY state approved. NO rifle is. DD's pic shows a rifle with a magazine release button, can't have that and even ONE banned feature.

The Thordsen stock has sorta been blessed but nothing in writing.

All an AR owner in NY can do is hedge his/her bets by having a rifle that is manufactured as being compliant, i.e. fixed magazine OR no banned features.

Suggest reading the SAFE act before posting.

Suppose I'll go with the Dark Storm lower as I can use my 4 existing uppers as is.

I would move to...

Just working on that campfire guide status.


Actually I did move from CA when I was 11.

Here is another option. Looks more conventional, sporting conventional not AR conventional. I have not not read the law, so I dont know what the magazine options are now in New York. At least it is not fixed in place.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/04/foghorn/gun-review-ares-defense-scr/

http://www.aresdefense.com/?page_id=729

From the truth about guns, first link:



If D&D is a valid FFL holder and doing business, selling guns in New York state and claiming the guns are NY LEGAL, .... well that would be good enough for me. As a customer, I wont ever knowingly break any rules, but if a legit dealer, in my home state, has it for sale, I would go for it. That is the whole point of all the dealer license - to keep it all legit.

The ARES is okay with a detach mag as long as it has no other banned features. The one in your pic is a no-no as it has a flash hider. Magazine capacity is 10 rounds max, 5 for hunting.

If you have a detach, you can't have ANY banned features.

If you have a fixed, it's not an assault rifle, under SAFE, so you can have all the features (except a grenade launcher)

It's terrible but far better than Canada, EU or Australia.

A local gun shop sells an AR-15 made by Windham Weaponry that looks like this rifle with a fluted barrel. The local Gander Mountain sells a rifle that's set up exactly like the photo except it has a 24" stainless bull barrel. That rifle is made by Stag.

I guess it all depends on what one feels comfortable with. But I agree that without a detachable magazine then I wouldn't bother with an AR-15.

I also have seen S&W's at the local gun show being sold with "The Spur"



We've got two now that we built from stripped uppers and don't have any of the restrictive features. One with a Thordsen and one with a Spur.

Dan

Some of us just put other thigns first in life. Just the way it is. Not right, not wrong. I"d walk from my job to another state right away, its that important to me. But others have family that may be more important etc.... thats cool.

Wild though how stupid politics can be. its still the same gun... just looks differetn, but thats ok.... the dumbasses we "elect" to make laws are beyond ignorant.