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Well, it seems to be working for him. Useful info Boxer.

Ya' just need to to make shooting and hunting as fun as possible for youngsters.

That means a no pressure, fully supportive situation, with easy to master equipment, with tons of encouragement and laughs.

Otherwise they'll turn away from the sport, and their dad.

Good luck to the OP. Its an important phase in your life.

Probably why that when I build myself a new gun I test it first with a zero cant rail. Once I've got a good 100 yard zero I do the math, machine myself a custom rail that leaves a couple MOA cushion below zero.

Seen a few who listened to a "gunsmith" on the setup, had to still hold over the target by 10' with all the vertical dialed in to hit a target at 1000.

At least some of you can decipher what Boxer is saying, I can't.

One of my kids started out on a Weaver K 4X and the other a Fullfield II 2-7. I thought they were in high cotton with those scopes. When they were teenagers the scopes were upgraded to a VX-2 3-9 and an Elite 4200 3-9.

You are the only Fuquer I have ever ran into that has had this much bad luck with a swaro scope. I will give you credit, you are relentless with your axe grinding..

Don't take this personally, but I generally don't put much stock in optics reviews from an old man who wears coke bottle glasses. It's like my tubby ass giving running shoe reviews.

Back to your regularly scheduled axe grinding.

I would focus on an a generous eye-box/good relief for a young shooter.

Boxer,


a child's mind is capable of learning multiple languages by age 2.

Most folks try to dumb down there capabilities until inevitably the child is at some point forced to learn on there own.

My young one uses the same equipment I do. She's in the fourth grade and about a year younger than most her other classmates. She just received the presidential award for superior academic achievement. This award is a rare and great honor.I don't believe she's ever been smarter than any of the other children. I believe the difference is she's been allowed to use her mind to a greater degree thereby helping in development at a young age where the minds ability to learn is far greater than any other time in ones life.

In a round about way I'm saying I agree with you. Grin





Shod

Big Stick is hiding behind his other screen name, because of the 2 per day limit he was banned to.

Just get a 4.5-14 LR CDS and there you have a zero stop, as well as a dial custom built to your load. About 10 years ahead of what a 10 year old needs anyhow, but sure a good one to grow in to. Set the zero pointer on the windage dial, and your eyes become the zero stop. If you are going over one full revolution from zero on windage, something must be wrong, or you are way past hunting ranges anyway.

A new model LR 30mm tube CDS 4.5-14 can be had for under $475 to your door. No need for anything more, from what you describe.

Stop with the common sense approach. Might spread.

My grandfather bought me my first "real" (non-.22) rifle for my birthday when I was a pup. I remember the day he handed to me like it was yesterday.

It wasn't expensive--a Mossberg 800 chambered for .243 Win--but it was a good shooter from day one. My grandfather died when I was 16 (cancer) so I didn't have nearly as many years with him as I would have liked, but the years we had were good.

The scope was a plain Jane 4x Leupold. It was clear, solid, and forgiving for a young shooter. It also was an excellent teacher... like most fixed power scopes are. I still have the little .243 and drop a deer with it from time to time. Just carrying it brings back memories.

I like to give a kid some room to grow, and a chance to learn good habits. There's also something to be said for letting a kid have a chance to wish big. Give a 10-year-old a S&B 5-27 scope... what in the heck is he/she going to want at 11?

As for the OP, I suppose Vortex is probably what would work best. Good luck.

Range of 4-15 ish at a minimum
Needs to have probably at least 75 MOA of adjustment to go with the 20 or 30 MOA base to make 1k+
Adjustments in MOA
Probably will need some holdover marks, but not sure on that, depends on how much adjustment it has
Second focal plane, don't want 1st
Zero stop
Prefer a 50mm if I can get it as light gathering is important
Would like illuminated, but on the fence as to whether it really is useful or whether it just blows out your targets, as I don't have any illuminated scopes personally.
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Guess this rules out the Redfield Revolution 2-7x33....

Boxer, what is your ammo of choice re: Annie 54 at 500 yards in nice conditions?

Get the kid an SWFA 6x42 with MilQuad reticle. From there, if he desires, he can move to the 10x in the same setup.

You'll not regret it.

Sponxx,

Physics is Physics and there is more correlation to Airgun come-ups,Rimfire come-ups and Centerfire come-ups...than the ENTIRE Do Nothing Gang could begin to fathom.

I've been makin' due here lately,with the Feinwerkbau 300S,patiently awaiting a large shipment of JSB Exacts to clear Customs and make their way to me ala AOA(slummin' various RWS and H&N flavors). Just got that confirmation,day before last and soon all thangs will be right in the World again.(grin)

With the RWS 27MOA unitized mount and a 10x Fixed Fhuqker,one can do some sensationally dastardly deeds,as per whim,in nice conditions. It'll arrange a .021 BC at 630fps(Maccari arctic springs and tune),which opens more than alotta windows of opportunity. I like a 25yd zero for the house and given the huge erector latitude of a Fixed Fhuqker,it's a breeze to engage at the 150yd line on the erector alone(100 MOA ele correction). 5 Mils of full value 10mph wind,transpires at the 65yd line and that's easy to subtend.



Sister ammo testing and knocking things back a smidge,at the same time. A tidy cluster and a Victim,in proximity.(grin)



The 6X MQ is of course without peer as a Utility Hammer and just last evening a pard was stretching one aboard his 18" #3 contoured 1-8" HawkHill no-turn 6BR Seven,fed ala CDI DBM eating AICS poly mags in an HS,with 105 Hornie HPBT's at 2700fps(Lever),with EGW 20MOA rail chopped in two/windowed and 'Horn rings with 40MOA dumped in 'em. Atmospherics were kind and the wind holdoff was a CH shy of 3 mils. It's a sneaky Little Bitch.

Anywhoo...for kids new to the game,the 10x resolves more detail on the windshield and will be a faster track,in regards to a Learning Curve. That due the fact,that it's gonna be more of an MPAJ approach,simply due the fact that Duffers haven't the requisite Oooooomph to hold hard and gun from the hindlegs. So there's no fret in eyebox/relief,as applied to hindleg Movers or the like.

KEY is to slow the roll,build a foundation of Physics and Facts,which'll allow them to reliably connect their own dots as per whim and on Day One,they will simply AMAZE themselves. Then there's NO stopping them.

I shot alotta rifles and alotta rounds yesterday and never did I stop to wish for a Burris,Simmons or Swaro,let alone a Turdy-Turdy or a '06...nor a boolit of less BC.

Hint.(grin)















joelk,

It's false Economy and a Dirty Fhuqking Trick on the kid,to hand them a POS Goat Fhuqk glass as an opening move.

Just because you are a DUMBfhuqk,doesn't mean they have to be.

Hint.















shrapnel,

I'll feign my GREAT "surprise",that you gave ALL things The Rifle an exceptionally wide berth. I "wonder" why that is?!?

Funnier than fhuqk,that even someone as fhuqking STUPID as you,knows better than to even try. Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart.

Laffin'!















elkchunternm,

Ain't it a right proper Dichotomy,that despite all your years of really TRYING,you still haven't attained a First Fhuqking Clue. Hint.

Here's to the perpetual hilarity,of you doing your BEST and "thinking" it is "something"...less a single inkling of how amazingly shy you are of the mark.

Laffin'!















'Raider,

Did your Imaginary Pretend Ignore quit "working" again?!?

I'll feign my "surprise",that besides being a CLUELESS Kchunt,you are also a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit. Congratulations?!?

VERY good call,to Whine instead of trying to "talk" rifles,glass or boolits.

Hint.

Laffin'!















BARTRAM,

I can only make sense to folks,that HAVE sense.

Not that I don't enjoy Windowlickers obliviously quantifying their Do NOTHING Dumbfhuqkery.

Facts is handy and never not to their chagrin.

Hint.(grin)















'17,

It's often intellesting to throw a coupla dozen Skookum Rifles in the crummy and let kids pick/choose their favorites,to punish distant targets.

Annie 54's,223's(Krunchentickers) and 223AI's...are never not at the top of the heap,due the melding of Precision,Fun and modest recoil. A 6yr old can easily understand "dump 8 Mils in the erector and slide 1.5 Mils righthand wind".

Though Texans and Flatlanders can't.(grin)

Never been tough to cypher who shoots and who don't.















'MAG,

Inclination is easily arranged,ala numerous ways and all that matters...is that one is eeking the goodie outta da' platform.

The MQ essentially wears 36MOA on the windshield,which is very often more than alotta 1" parcels will have remaining on their erector,after a good zero.

Letting the boolit/chambering do as much work as inherently possible,only grants more opportunity and I cain't think of a single platform I have zero'd at the 100yd line. 22LR's are 50yds,Hummers are 125yds,K-Hornets are 150yds and then it goes to 300yds for a couple/few Ass Haulers. Key being to minimize midrange woe,while connecting all dots,in regards to inherent potential.

More than a few parcels rate "Beaver Dope" for in your face engagement distances and that is easy to slide on the glass,when it literally is staring at you.



It can be more than a touch handy,to know that with a 18" Rock 1-7" 223AI and 75A-Max at 3050fps ala 225yd zero,that it's a 3.7 Mil holdOVER to engage at the 10yd line,when threadin' needles.

Seen it.(grin)















cdb,

You AMAZINGLY Stupid Fhuqking Texans crack me up! Be SURE to cite "all" the words I've used that were "too big","too tricky" or "too Technical" for you and I'll happily rub your nose even further in your Incredible Dumbfhuqktitude. Hint.

Don't let the cat get your tongue,nor the couch your kchunt and PLEASE continue your Vagina Monologue and hilariously Stupid scope "savvy".

Bless your heart.

Laffin'!















WRO,

Do NOT slight how "real" Imagination and Pretend are,to The Do NOTHING Gang.

Hint.















'pwr,

Such things go without saying. Just sayin'.

You were almost brazen enough to cite a glass.

Almost.















Shodd,

Kids LOVE results and it is no feat to set them up with Good Riggin',that arranges same as a literal default.

Not that I don't enjoy the perpetual oblivious hilarity of Drooling Dumbfhuqks doing their BEST.

Laffin'!















Mi,

Oh how MAGNIFICENTLY you Whine...you AMAZINGLY Inept Clueless Fhuqk. Congratulations?!?

The 4.5-14x is a steaming POS in all configurations and CDS humor is only topped,with your Cough Silencer. You'd not know SFP from FFP,unless I was in the mood to tell you and I ain't. Laffin'!

4.5-14x wandering eye-relief,wandering zero and schit tracking will do no kid,NO "favors". Someone would have to "do" and "know" as "much" as you,to "think" otherwise. Hint.

If it helps your Imagination and it's Pretend,please "convince" yourself I've never suffered the fhuqking things. Laffin'!




Mebbe dangle some pics of the High Zoot Rifles you've "used" to make optics "determinations" and cite some "particulars" on how those Delusions are "generated". I ASSURE you,it will be funnier than fhuqk. Hint.

Few things fhuqking funnier than a wanderin' Reupold CDS 4.5-14x and here's to the Hilarity of your "endorsement" and all the "clout" your trembling fingers and quivering lips "garner".

You poor poor(literally) STUPID Fhuqk.

Wow +P++!

Laffin'!















Hatari,

You are in soooooooooo fhuqking far over your head,it really is a fhuqking SHAME,that you are devoid an inkling of the magnitude.

Congratulations?!?















'stead,

Are you bitching or bragging?!? Don't matter,because it's equally hilarious in both directions!

I reckon you'd dull the kid's knife too...just to pad the future for sharpness and poke holes in his new boots,for future "satisfactions" too.

Is there NO end to you DUMBFHUQKS Amazing Dumbfhuqkery?!?

Wow!















Fiddy,

I got incredibly LUCKY and stumbled onto a Local Lot of greatness,that makes ZERO fhuqking sense...but is simply sinister in it's abilities,in all my 54's.

Federal AE40gr solids at 1290fps,with a 50yd zero,eats but 25.6 Mils to the 500yd line and 10mph full value scoots it a trite 5.8 Mils. On my 54's,I break both drop and drift down into 10yd increments,for needle threadin' and have often found that to be handy(understatement).

Didja' score any of the DIP 75MOA Annie 54 extended 1913 rails,that I had Bob crank out? It made my 1808 EDS come alive and though I LOVE the McMillan T-hole Sillywets,these ergos are superior to me. I wish McMillan would dupe it in fixed furniture,as I'd love to have more than a few S/A 700's wearin' them,fed ala AICS footprint DBM's.



The Bulk Bitch Federal AE 40gr Solids are a perpetual Mind [bleep] and I even quit sortin' by headspace/weight...and just drive 'em Camp Run now. The SUPER Sleeper schit cracks me up!

Mighta scored me a Walther KK last night and hope to hear confirmation this afternoon.

22LR Long Range is an absolute RIOT,as you know.















DD,

I'm gonna try one of them.

Laffin'!

Kill it with Millett

I guess if anyone wants to listen to a degenerate Alaskan drunk, he has tons of "wisdom".

Or if you prefer that your guns don't look like ghetto vandalism, stay away.

Or, if you want to really see what a narcissist is, just reply to any thread he happens to be sober enough to read at the moment. He gets really pissed when people post logic, common sense, or actual experiences.

"WISDOM" is the ability to take in accurate information regardless the way it is delivered!

Food for THOUGHT! Or Not!

Your choice!



Shod

I'd say start him with a vx2 3-9 with CDS shoot without doing anything with the dial until he understand trajectory then develop the dialing after he understands how to shoot. Download the first couple of hundred rounds and work your way up to full power loads keeping the experience enjoyable.

When you are ready sell the Leupold for 90% of what you paid or better and buy the more sophisticated optic that will probably have several more years to develop even more capability. By then your 10 year old should be able to shoot and kill stuff,

Personally I wouldn't be thinking of 1000 yard targets and first hunting rifle / scope combinations but killing stuff at 450 will be within the beginners combo assuming you choose a modern caliber 7mm-08 comes to mind.

There are people whose praise makes me feel honored. Until now I'd never felt honored by someone's insults.

Boxer,

I've got no source for that ammo. I'll try some things I have in that velocity range, thanks.

I was late to Bob's 75 show, but got something similar.



Came up on a McMillan T-hole sillywet just a couple weeks back. Still having trouble with which Annie I'll marry it to.

You must've just beat me out on that KK.