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I'm convinced it's something I'm doing. For one thing, I just need more range time to familiarize myself with this platform. All my centerfire experience prior to this has been with bolt action or lever action rifles.

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i ordered this for myself today.
a 223 wylde in 18 inch ss barrel from Palmetto.
been thinking about it a year. they finally got it back
in stock.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-...mod-upper-no-bcg-or-charging-handle.html

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What's the difference between .223 and .223 Wylde?


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Wylde is the type of chamber reamer, 223 barrel, with a Wylde chamber...

I like the Wylde chamber.


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So does .223 run though a Wylde, or is that a seperate round?


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You can shoot 223 or 556 in a wylde chambers and they are more accurate than a 223 chamber or a 556 chamber.

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I think they are more accurate than a 5.56 NATO chamber but a tight cut 223 chamber will beat a Wylde when done right.

The NATO chamber has more free bore to reduce pressure in high pressured NATO loads. The Wylde has a tad less, 223 even less.

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I just told my son and his friend what I was wanting my rifle to do and his friend said 223 wylde is what I want for some of the reasons you guys have mentioned.

I wanted a little longer barrel.
I like the stainless.

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Gopher like you I am new to the AR game. Never really was excited by them but decided to get one before the November election excitement. Still a bit skeptical about it but what the heck. Mine is a flattop with no sights, but despite having no sights the stock design requires a high sight line. I bought a set of weaver see thru quad locks and they worked quite well. My brother has also been dealing with his new AR which has an A2 style front sight. We tried the mounts on his rifle and they provided enough clearance so that with a std. 4x style hunting scope the front sight isn't visiable thru the scope. I now have another set of the see thru mounts on order for me. The other nice thing is they are under $20 on eBay.

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What rings don't do is provide enough eye relief and you wind up with the ocular bell hanging over the charging handle and you're head canted back to see through it.

Of course this leads to the use of "tactical" extended charging handle latches and the end user never really cares for the AR cause it just doesn't "fit" him.


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The best thing to happen to the AR platform is rails. With all the rails you can put on an AR, you can get the most from it with all sorts of accessories...

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There's an ugly old Mauser up here in a gun shop with a hay fork welded onto the bayonet lug.


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I do have a couple of questions as I too am pretty new to the AR game.

First do any of the various chamberings ( Wilde, 5.56, 223 )have impact on reloadability of the spent cases. For example a friend gave me some once fired cases from his remington 760 that were expanded to the point they wouldn't go into the sizing die. Do any of these various chambers have similar issues.

Second, What is it about the AR barrel/ upper that makes it so interchangeable regarding barrel and bolt mating, i.e. headspace. I read a lot about people that interchange different upper configurations using just one BCG with no headspace concerns. Is there something about the bolt lock up that compensates for different chamber variations or is it that most don't reload so a slightly stretched case is no concern.

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223 chambers have a shorter throat than 5.56 and Wylde is a split between them in simple terms. The 5.56 has a longer throat to run higher pressured ammo safely, the Wylde is more accurate yet still handles pressure better than 223.

The 760 probably has a very loose cut chamber.

The head space is set by the barrel extension, the barrel extension is screwed into the barrel and pinned, then the chamber is cut to match a bolt. Bolts are pretty close across the board and just looking at the loose chamber in your friends 760 shows how loose tolerances can be and still be safe. Not optimum but safe.

I prefer to run one bolt with one barrel due to how the bolt wears into a barrel extension. It's kind of like lapping the bolt to the barrel extension.

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Originally Posted by TWR

The NATO chamber has more free bore to reduce pressure in high pressured NATO loads. The Wylde has a tad less, 223 even less.


I don't think that's right. Compared to the 5.56 Nato, the Wylde freebore is longer, but smaller diameter for better bullet alignment (.224" Wylde vs .226"-.227" Nato).

This is what the chamber specs say, and matches my own experience with these chambers. For example I've never had a Wylde chamber that I could load to touch or near the lands at mag length.

The Wylde chamber was originally designed for the longer 80 and 90 gr bullets loaded for single shot use, hence the longer freebore.

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Could be, I've only had one Wylde chamber and it has always been referred to as less free bore. Maybe less equals diameter and not length.

But regardless, the case bodies use the same dies.

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Here, this is always helpful when comparing different .223/5.56 chambers.

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Thank you everyone, like I said I'm pretty new to the AR in fact to semi auto rifle except rimfire. Being a reloader I was never much of a fan of the generally oversized chambers that are common in many models. I was also puzzled about everyone's general lack of concern about headspace and will agree that if you shoot factory loads a little too much isn't necessarily prohibitive as case stretch is really mostly a problem in reducing case life for the reloader if they keep bumping the case neck back.

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Originally Posted by TWR
The 5.56 has a longer throat to run higher pressured ammo safely


This isn't quite correct. It's like saying the 30-06 has greater case capacity to run higher pressured ammo safely. The reality is, the longer leade allows more powder to be used to increase velocity without increasing pressure.

223 spec ammo is not loaded to lower pressure. It's loaded to make full pressure in a 223 spec chamber. Pressure is measured differently for the SAAMI 223 than it is for the NATO 5.56 and do not directly compare.

Another thing to remember, just as all commercial 223 is not loaded to the same pressure, neither is all milspec 5.56

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I did say "in simple terms" but if you guys want to pick apart everything I say then at least find something meaningful.

Try running 5.56 NATO ammo in a true 223 chamber and you'll probably pop primers. So given the leade is the main difference in 223 and 5.56 chambers any other reason is semantics. Pressure equals velocity.


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