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That's interesting. The only makarov bullets I've tried are cast. I'll likely just stick with the speers though as they penetrate well through trees. Sounds funny, but I use that bullet at 1200 fps for sooty grouse here in the spring. I carry the rifle with a magazine full of 286 gr noslers for bear protection and then when I find the bird I put the scope on and shoot him with a trailboss load. You can eat right up to the hole and shoot through an 8 inch branch if you need to. [img:left]http:// ![[Linked Image]](http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss226/pabucktail/DSC00385_zpslz7mg2fn.jpg) [/img]
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One attraction of TB is the ease with which accurate low-power loads can be created for CF rifles using jacketed bullets. Charles Petty has done a couple articles on this with really excellent results.
I made up some .243 loads with 100 Sierra blems I bought from Graf's. It grouped 3 in about 1 1/2" at 100, first try, at an assumed velocity of about 1500-1600fps; a great practice load with no fiddling necessary. They land just a bit below full power loads.
If my .44mag loads group okay, I'll have a pleasant plinker load for my low wall at less than a quarter a pop, with no casting necessary, about the price of bulk 9mm.
Other powders may be a bit cheaper, but TB is useful in a bunch of stuff, requires no fillers, and is whoopsie proof. I've got a couple of small jugs, but am going to get a 5-pounder when I can find a good deal.
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That's interesting. The only makarov bullets I've tried are cast. I'll likely just stick with the speers though as they penetrate well through trees. Sounds funny, but I use that bullet at 1200 fps for sooty grouse here in the spring. I carry the rifle with a magazine full of 286 gr noslers for bear protection and then when I find the bird I put the scope on and shoot him with a trailboss load. You can eat right up to the hole and shoot through an 8 inch branch if you need to. [img:left]http:// [/img] Rates a Two Cool! 
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While I have used it some in the '62 and the '57, that is the first bird I have seen shot with the 270 Speer.
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I noticed Trail Boss on the shelf in a LGS over the weekend. It's out there again.
I never cared for Trail Boss myself, and I'm a dedicated cast bullet shooter. For "backyard plinking" loads in centerfire rifles, I use Bullseye/Clays/Red Dot with which I can get two or more times the number of shots (at the same velocity) per pound of powder versus using TrailBoss. Not a very good bang for the buck, IMO. It's main use to my thinking is in large capacity black powder pistol cartridges when building low pressure smokeless loads with a bulky case filling powder. If that is an important issue, which it is to some though I don't know why. The reason for Trail Boss is to eliminate double charging with fast shotgun powders.It has more volume with less weight so I doubt you are saving much.
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That's interesting. The only makarov bullets I've tried are cast. I'll likely just stick with the speers though as they penetrate well through trees. Sounds funny, but I use that bullet at 1200 fps for sooty grouse here in the spring. I carry the rifle with a magazine full of 286 gr noslers for bear protection and then when I find the bird I put the scope on and shoot him with a trailboss load. You can eat right up to the hole and shoot through an 8 inch branch if you need to. [img:left]http:// [/img] Very cool picture, I need to try that with my Whelen and some Trail Boss. Kind of surprised you guys have a spring season.
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It's open until May 15th, which is about when the hooting tapers off anyway. It's some serious fun and perfect for kids. They have to hike and put the effort in, but then the birds are very cooperative and sit tight so there's no rush.
No spring season Gerry? 250gr Hornadys at 1200 would be poison!
The pic is from last year when he first realized he could use my rifle with the reduced loads. When I told him he couldn't shoot the bird with his .22 due to branches being in the way he casually said "Well, I can just use your rifle." I about gagged in my shock of realizing he was now big enough to pull it off.
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No spring season here, but it looks like a lot of fun. I love those nice big coastal blue's, my favourite grouse by far. In September when they have been gorging on blueberries and huckleberries they are fantastic  Sounds like your son is growing up nicely and have excellent taste in cartridges I might add........ I have loaded up some 200 gr Hornady's with Trail Boss before and will have to see if I can get them down to around 1200 fps like yours. If not 250's like you suggest will work. We did some loads in my wife's 6.5x55 before when she was learning to shoot, I'll have to see if we can reduce it enough to get the same speed.
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One attraction of TB is the ease with which accurate low-power loads can be created for CF rifles using jacketed bullets. Charles Petty has done a couple articles on this with really excellent results.
I made up some .243 loads with 100 Sierra blems I bought from Graf's. It grouped 3 in about 1 1/2" at 100, first try, at an assumed velocity of about 1500-1600fps; a great practice load with no fiddling necessary. They land just a bit below full power loads.
If my .44mag loads group okay, I'll have a pleasant plinker load for my low wall at less than a quarter a pop, with no casting necessary, about the price of bulk 9mm.
Other powders may be a bit cheaper, but TB is useful in a bunch of stuff, requires no fillers, and is whoopsie proof. I've got a couple of small jugs, but am going to get a 5-pounder when I can find a good deal. That's funny cuz I've never had it shoot well in a reduced rifle load. Had better luck with 4895 and 4198.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Terry Wieland just did an article where TB beat out his previous choice in some cartridges, but not others. Luck if the draw, I suppose.
I've been meaning to try it in some other rounds, but haven't so far. TB lets you get way lower than the 60% rule for 4895 I believe.
JB and some guy in the latest Hodgdon Annual made up .22 mag-level loads in the .223 with TB, with accuracy comparable to good .22 mag ammo, that is to say well under an inch at 50 yards.
Years ago I used SR4759 for some reduced loads, but recall the occasional hangfire. The .32/20-level load in my .308 was deadly on chucks and one fox, but the flat-nosed HP had a pretty loopy trajectory.
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It is great for suppressed loads in a .308
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It is great for suppressed loads in a .308
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I use TB in 38 Special with 125 cast bullets when moving newer shooters from .22 RF to centerfire pistol. It makes a reasonably accurate load that the girls can play with and have fun.
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One attraction of TB is the ease with which accurate low-power loads can be created for CF rifles using jacketed bullets. Charles Petty has done a couple articles on this with really excellent results.
I made up some .243 loads with 100 Sierra blems I bought from Graf's. It grouped 3 in about 1 1/2" at 100, first try, at an assumed velocity of about 1500-1600fps; a great practice load with no fiddling necessary. They land just a bit below full power loads.
If my .44mag loads group okay, I'll have a pleasant plinker load for my low wall at less than a quarter a pop, with no casting necessary, about the price of bulk 9mm.
Other powders may be a bit cheaper, but TB is useful in a bunch of stuff, requires no fillers, and is whoopsie proof. I've got a couple of small jugs, but am going to get a 5-pounder when I can find a good deal. That's funny cuz I've never had it shoot well in a reduced rifle load. Had better luck with 4895 and 4198. Funny powder, we'd have to guess... I've never had it shoot well...... 180 degrees out, and off my results with TB for really ACCURATE sub sonic loads in my "standard rifle calibers". I really DON't like working with it,....something "light" that behaves like little balls of styro-packing.
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Tested my .44mag TB loads yesterday in my Low Wall; .240gr Hornady swaged HP over 6.9gr (what my Little Dandy throws with the #23). Grouped well, and almost zero recoil. Unfortunately, it impacts about a foot and a half over the full-power loads.
I'm replacing the bead with a black blade from Skinner, so hopefully I can come up with some kind of add-on for target shooting with the powder puffs. The Williams WDOS fitted with an aperature works really well, but that round bead just gets lost to my old eyes.
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I use it in my 45 Colt vaquero with 255 grain home cast with good results. The one that surprised me was when I loaded up some 45-70 rounds with 405 gr hard cast bullets and 12 grains of Trail Boss powder. I shot it out of my H&R Buffalo Classic, and at 50 yards, no empty 12 gauge hull was safe. The 32 inch barrel made the shot sound like "ppaff" rather than bang. My load source said velocity is 970 ft per sec. Fun stuff.
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These bunnies ( about about 40 others...) all got it with TB in a .223AI behind a 55 grain hornady bullet. 8.0 grains of Trail Boss. About 1950 FPS ![[Linked Image]](http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss45/thmsbrownlee/IMG_1914_zpsjfazmkwk.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss45/thmsbrownlee/IMG_1910_zps3jn215lm.jpg) Also find TB useful for fire forming cases in the .223AI..
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I find it useful for bribing acquaintances who aspire to reload empties.
Might have a future for whacking armadillos.
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Did you whack the bunnies while fire forming?
Montana must be awash in cottontails. I'm jealous. Here, except in my backyard, they're pretty scarce.
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