Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Handguns Interesting Beretta 92 stuff

Some things you learn in a Beretta armorers course...

The first is always interesting. Beretta is one of the oldest companies in the world still owned by the same family; founded in 1526

Beretta 92 series:

All parts are still forged/machined. No investment, MIM casting or stampings anywhere in the pistol.

Barrels are cold hammer forged, then chrome lined. All pistols meet a standard of 8" 10-shot groups at 50m before they leave the factory, most are much more accurate than that.

Each 92 is put in a machine and cycled 350 times to achieve break in.

The pistol as tested by the US Military has a 21,000 round mean time between failures.

The open top design facilitates topping off, making it easy to drop a round directly into the barrel and drop the slide. Contrary to most pistols, that is part of the design, and you will NOT damage an extractor dropping on a round in the chamber.

the trigger has bends on both ends, so if it breaks in the field, all you have to do is pop it out, put it in "backwards", and go; it becomes its own emergency replacement spring.

Everybody's favorite!

http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/arms...1_01_beretta_92sb_compact_type_m_640.jpg

Mine, anyway. ~ A Beretta 92SB Compact M
Italian made, round trigger guard, & single stack mag.
Perfect size , fit, & accurate.

Whether you like the esthetics or not.
it's reliability is unmatched.

Glock 17's don't break locking blocks or slides. Yes, the Beretta is a very reliable gun, but I wouldn't say unmatched.

Kabooms?

Did you know Beretta sued the US Government for perpetuating the slide issue and the government settled out of court for almost $12 million dollars?

I think locking blocks are rated around the 18K mark. Hardly an issue.



Travis

I agree that it is not really an issue, and in no way would it keep me from getting a beretta. Just pointing out that the record of reliability being 'unmatched' is a bit of a strong statement.

John McLean used one to defeat Hans Gruber.

That makes it unmatched.





Dave

True, and Riggs used one to defeat just about everyone. As long as you aren't going up against Jet Le or Jackie Chan the Beretta is GTG.

Berettta 92's don't go off when you holster them, fire out of battery, or have frames shatter from impact.

They all have their strengths and weaknesses; none are perfect.

According to Beretta, 21,000 rounds is when they should be replaced.

I think anyone stating "unmatched" is a bit of a strong statement.

The reliability of the Beretta 92 is world class, that much is clear. Are there more reliable pistols out there? I really don't know.

When this new pistol competition the Army's having gets to the testing phase, the Beretta 92 will be used as a control; that will be VERY interesting. My bet is most won't match the reliability of the Beretta 92...It's very much a perfected design and it's an extremely robust pistol.

And that's all you need to know right there!!

Beretta is wrong.




Clark

Yep, which is likely due to that fixed barrel design.

You have a picture of that, or words someone slow can understand?

Good catch...that's supposed to be TRIGGER SPRING

The barrel isn't fixed, it's just not tilting. It travels straight back and forth. Truth be told, the "direct line feed" that Beretta touts is no more or less "direct line" than a tilting barrel system. If you put a tilting barrel in the rearward position you'll see that the path to the barrel is about the same. What really matters is the care in which the pistol is made; and Beretta manufactures the 92FS exceptionally well.

And as best I can tell, Taurus makes their 92's extremely well also.

The M92 barrel isn't exactly fixed, but it is indexed against the frame via the locking lug block.

When the slide moves rearward the locking lugs drop, and the barrel and slide are unlocked from each other.

The slide moves rearward and the barrel remains stationary.

The main weakness of the Glock product is that in the hands of a person with less than average mental skills a Glock is more likely to fire when putting it into a holster, holding it with your finger on the trigger, sitting on it with the trigger uncovered or if in LA putting into your pants appendix style carry. As a matter of fact about 15 years ago IIRC here in Atlanta we had an inebriated low education voter who put a loaded glock back in the box with the little post in it, handedly killing himself. Glock stopped producing that box taking into account all such morons.

The caveat here is if you cannot pour piss out of a boot with the directions on the heel don't get a Glock.

In the hands of someone with an I.Q. above room temperature the G17 has acquitted itself very well over the years in self defense situations and in police departments everywhere. Kabooms have happened with more than one variety of pistol but I do admit I would not own a Glock in 40 smith and wesson for that very reason. On the other hand there are G17's out there with well over 50,000 rounds on them with no cleaning, I think one approaching 100,000.

You guys can wax poetic over your fixed barrel blue steel eyetalian pistols all you want, I would rather own a brick as long as it lasted forever, worked the same way every time, easily did its job of hitting things quickly and plentifully, and required about as much attention as said brick.

Jeff Cooper called it best..."Krunchintickers...an ingenious solution to a nonexistant problem".