Totally agree. What jorge1 put up about the sheriff's statement tells us some, but even that is just preliminary.
At the end, was the 3 hours productive? In any mass shooting, has a lengthy wait been productive?
“The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”. All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered. Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com
I think one of the spokespersons said some of the escapees said the killer had something strapped to his body, as in it could have been a bomb. Turned out not to be the case, but if true I am sure that had to have given them much pause in deciding what to do, and when.
Mateen, armed with a handgun and long gun, began his deadly spree around 2 a.m., engaging in a gun battle with a uniformed off-duty officer working security at the club’s entrance before he started shooting club patrons, wounding 53 in addition to the dozens killed, Orlando Police Chief John Mina said. Additional officers quickly responded, forcing Mateen to retreat into a bathroom with about four or five hostages while authorities rescued “dozens of injured and non-injured” from the dance floor and lounge and bar area, Mina said.
In the bathroom for about three hours, Mateen called 911 to pledge his allegiance to ISIS and engaged in unproductive negotiations with police. Mateen claimed he had a bomb vest and explosives, Mina said, though authorities have not said either of those supposed ordinances was ever found.
“He was cool and calm when he was making those phone calls to us,” Mina said.
Negotiations were mostly one-sided as police tried to resolve the assault without further loss of life.
“He really wasn’t asking for a whole lot and we were doing most of the asking,” Mina said.
There were no shots fired during the time Mateen was in the bathroom, Mina said. However, at least one of the hostages, who had been texting his mother, was later discovered among the dead.
Authorities came to believe “further loss of life was imminent” around 5 a.m., prompting a rescue operation that involved an explosive breach of the bathroom wall. But the explosion did not penetrate the wall completely, so an armored SWAT vehicle known as a BearCat was used to puncture a three-foot wide hole in the wall, about two feet off the ground, Mina said.
“The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”. All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered. Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com
It sounds to me that the situation went from an active shooter to a hostage situation, where the negotiation team was in contact with the shooter I don't know anyone who would have broken that communication to send in an entry team if they thought thought negotiations would continue and end without further blood shed.
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
Mateen, armed with a handgun and long gun, began his deadly spree around 2 a.m., engaging in a gun battle with a uniformed off-duty officer working security at the club’s entrance before he started shooting club patrons, wounding 53 in addition to the dozens killed, Orlando Police Chief John Mina said. Additional officers quickly responded, forcing Mateen to retreat into a bathroom with about four or five hostages while authorities rescued “dozens of injured and non-injured” from the dance floor and lounge and bar area, Mina said.
In the bathroom for about three hours, Mateen called 911 to pledge his allegiance to ISIS and engaged in unproductive negotiations with police. Mateen claimed he had a bomb vest and explosives, Mina said, though authorities have not said either of those supposed ordinances was ever found.
“He was cool and calm when he was making those phone calls to us,” Mina said.
Negotiations were mostly one-sided as police tried to resolve the assault without further loss of life.
“He really wasn’t asking for a whole lot and we were doing most of the asking,” Mina said.
There were no shots fired during the time Mateen was in the bathroom, Mina said. However, at least one of the hostages, who had been texting his mother, was later discovered among the dead.
Authorities came to believe “further loss of life was imminent” around 5 a.m., prompting a rescue operation that involved an explosive breach of the bathroom wall. But the explosion did not penetrate the wall completely, so an armored SWAT vehicle known as a BearCat was used to puncture a three-foot wide hole in the wall, about two feet off the ground, Mina said.
If that's the dude who's mom has been on the radio it sounded to me like she got the texts at the onset of things
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
There's hot coffee and donuts to be consumed, can't let the goodies get stale....the shooter isn't going anywhere, he'll run out of ammo eventually and then SWAT can wrap themselves in the U.S. flag as they rush in and gun him down....
(heavy sarcasm)
Your lives are expendable as long as the shooter has ammo.
"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."-- Thomas Jefferson
If that's the dude who's mom has been on the radio it sounded to me like she got the texts at the onset of things
That could be, I've read conflicting things on it.
“The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”. All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered. Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com
There's hot coffee and donuts to be consumed, can't let the goodies get stale....the shooter isn't going anywhere, he'll run out of ammo eventually and then SWAT can wrap themselves in the U.S. flag as they rush in and gun him down....
(heavy sarcasm)
Your lives are expendable as long as the shooter has ammo.
Nope thats not the case at all. At least not where I'm at.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
Hard to imagine sitting outside for hours while listening to shots being fired inside. Heck, it's hard to imagine sitting outside for minutes listening to shots being fired...
looks like rebar reinforced concrete block walls. appears like the rat holed till the found a soft spot. and just to point this out, but, people who have been shot at tend to strap on gear next time.
Some of you might want to read some of the previous posts regarding the operation, before you go buffooning it up with jokes ragging on the officers involved..
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
I am just guessing but I think we will see a protocol change for active shooter situations...more of a shift towards ending it immediately with extreme prejudice.
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
I don't know anyone who would have broken that communication to send in an entry team if they thought thought negotiations would continue and end without further blood shed.
If they knew the shooter was islamic, that this is Ramadan, and that the bar was gay, they were either idiot demoncraps or wanted to see a higher death toll.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
Their was homosexual blood all over the place and no government employees were willing to risk it. Do they make bullet proof hazmat? If not, I woulda had a stomach ache myself.
Living in a world of G17s and 700s, wishing for P7s and 202s
![[Linked Image]](http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/12/21/353148B900000578-3637414-image-a-13_1465763886725.jpg)
