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I appreciate the simplicity and durability of fixed power scope. I have recently had a variable power scope fail and am considering a fixed power- however it is clear to me that I am unable to shoot groups for load development as well at 6 power that I can consistently at 10x or 12x. Not for nothing do serious bench rest shooters have high power scopes.

For those that use low power scopes regularly can you truly achieve sub MOA groups consistently out of rifles that are capable of them? By how much, if any, do you feel 6x handicaps your ability to shoot groups vs. 10x?

I recognize that ability to shoot groups has little or nothing to do with effectiveness as a hunting optic.

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I throw a higher power optic on to work up loads. Once I'm happy, I put the fixed power on, sight it in, and then call it good.

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With lower power scopes I modify the target (with a sharpie) as needed to work...


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A 6X can be tough at times.... smile


I almost never put a high power scope on to work up loads. Most of my work with hunting rifles are done between 4-8X.


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I work up loads with my hunting scopes.


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Tell you how I like to "group" a hunting rifle. Take a full sized deer/elk/moose target...no dots or prominent markings over vital areas. You know...the way they look when you hunt them.

Hang them at 300-600 yards,and shoot them from field positions. Then see how well you "group" on a monolithic back ground at distance with your hunting scope. Your group SHOULD center the vitals regardless. Those are the groups I care about.

Sorry to derail the thread....had to get that out. blush smile





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6X AND heavy duplex smile

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It works fine for me. It's not benchrest rifle, that's for sure. But this particular rifle shoots well enough for the hunting fields. That was an elk from 2 years ago. Last year was at 200 yards offhand, I was glad for the 6x there too.

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Once I have the load and rifle sighted to where I want it,I go rabbit hunting. Short,long,in-between,sitting,trotting/jogging (don't like running shots unless I screwed up and already hit but not killed the rabbit) it's the best practice I know of.

Also works off a wee little bit from the middle. wink



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Then see how well you "group" on a monolithic back ground at distance with your hunting scope. Sorry to derail the thread....had to get that out. blush smile



Bob, you mean monolithic as in stone background? grin
Or monochromatic and in same color??
You know the intricacies of english (being my sencond language) escape me.

In any case I develop my loads with my hunting scope. Not great accuracy loads, but have killed all animals I have shot at. So they group well on "furred backgrounds"

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Sponx you are probably right. Good point. I did not have the right word.

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6x with heavy duplex, average .4" with a best of .189" @ 100 yards. Switching scopes to the wide, and finer duplex.

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Originally Posted by elkhunternm
Once I have the load and rifle sighted to where I want it,I go rabbit hunting. Short,long,in-between,sitting,trotting/jogging (don't like running shots unless I screwed up and already hit but not killed the rabbit) it's the best practice I know of.

Also works off a wee little bit from the middle. wink



Well, I did this as a teen, and until mentioned had completely forgotten about it. I think that I may need to get back it to this practice. I have a few new rifles that are in need of scopes being mounted and loads worked up. Practicing on Jacks would be great practice for coyotes.

Rifle#1 A scabbed together Frankenstein. A Savage Model 10 action off of a lesser used .22-250 with a $30 overstock barrel from ER Shaw chambered in 6x47L.

Rifle#2 Not put together yet. A Defiant action with a #4 contour Shilen in a McSwilry also in 6x47L.

Rifle#3 Another Savage action, with an ER Shaw Varmint contour chambered in 6.5x284 Norma and a Richards "Wolverine" laminated thumbhole stock

Rifle#4 A raffle prize. Ruger American Compact in .223 18" barrel with a 1:8 twist.

I have some scopes sitting around here. A couple of Weave K4's given to me by Ken Howell. A SFWA SS 6x42 mq, a Vortex Crossfire II 6x24x50, and a Vortex Crossfire II 4x16x50.

The vortex scopes are probably going on the 6.5x47L deviant rifle, and the 6.5x284, unless I cough up some seious money for a higher end scope.

I'm really leaning towards turning the Frankenstein Savage 6x47L into my coyote gun if I can get a decent load dialed in for it and mounting the SWFA 6x42. And for the reasons stated above. Don't want to have to worry about dialing a scope in. Just want to be able to point, aim, and fire.

OK, so, not asking for opinions on the brands of the scopes that I have on hand. But, which scope would you mount on which rifle?

And, I'm not really looking at using the K4's.

As for the RAR? Anyone out there with a RAR compact .223? What scope has worked for you ? I'm kinda of thinking another SWFA 6x42 or the Vortex 4x16x50



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3-shots up the pipe(no wind hold off),to let 162 A-Max simply do,what they do...at the the 705yd line. 6x42 Reupold,which of course has been replaced with a 6x MQ Fixed Fhuqker. Rifle shoots even better now,due the ability to hold an MQ reticle harder. Hint.

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If the target appears too small on 6x... Enlarge the target so that you can see an aiming point that appears relative to your crosshair... too easy...


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This is definitely not the norm for me with a 6x. But I hate shooting paper anyways. I get a good hunting load and then it's straight to the steel.

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