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It was TPWD that allowed Deer Breeding in the first place. And now some Breeders are upset because TPWD wants to regulate the business to keep CDW from spreading to the native population, tuff. Their is no guarantee of a profit when you are in business. In fact most business fail, these folks know the risks. Yes, but TPWD is now changing the rules of the game years after many of these people invested their personal stakes in the business. When government regulation wipes out a thriving business with a stroke of a pen people are going to get upset, because their livelihoods are being damaged. Again, I 100% think this should NEVER have been allowed to come to this point, and I think the entire practice should be illegal, not just more carefully regulated. But you can't blame the people that followed a legal business opportunity. This is a TPWD created problem. David Could not agree more.
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A testing program is not out of order at all. It is done on cattle on a regular basis.
My personal opinion is it all started with high fences. No way to undo that one now.
I miss the good old days when I had open invitations to multiple ranches. And when we had so much venison backstrap it was OK to chicken fry one occasionally.
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Governments changing rules mid stream and costing investors fortunes is nothing new,and has given us at least a couple of major real estate recessions where people were invested and lost it all. I'm sure there are lots of other examples from the securities industry to gas and oil development and exploration and on and on it goes. It's what governments "do". Nothing to see here...move along. 
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...we had so much venison backstrap it was OK to chicken fry one occasionally. Lol, I'm all for that.
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...we had so much venison backstrap it was OK to chicken fry one occasionally. Lol, I'm all for that. Can't bread em before you fry em in Missouri though  Missouri is currently in legal talks to ban the import, export, selling and breading of deer.
I know he meant breeding but I had to give Ted a hard time.
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The flip side to this, TPW allowed it, and then found out that there was all of a sudden, this huge issue that could really create problems.
So they did what they had to do.
No one can forecast what regs change.
Hell no one feels sorry for the fact they sell milk in the stores these days and the milkman is unemployed.
Its life. Nothing fair about it.
I'm glad at least TPW had the balls to stand up and say, oops, we can't allow this anymore, you had your day, now you'll have to test or not do at all...
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I recall hearing of one rancher who bought one of those "super bucks" - genetic freak with huge antlers - near Sonora, Tx. He doubtless thought he could charge big bucks to hunt. He turned it loose and found it dead, gored to death three weeks later. It had no clue how to survive, even on a high fenced ranch.
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It was TPWD that allowed Deer Breeding in the first place. And now some Breeders are upset because TPWD wants to regulate the business to keep CDW from spreading to the native population, tuff. Their is no guarantee of a profit when you are in business. In fact most business fail, these folks know the risks. Yes, but TPWD is now changing the rules of the game years after many of these people invested their personal stakes in the business. When government regulation wipes out a thriving business with a stroke of a pen people are going to get upset, because their livelihoods are being damaged. Again, I 100% think this should NEVER have been allowed to come to this point, and I think the entire practice should be illegal, not just more carefully regulated. But you can't blame the people that followed a legal business opportunity. This is a TPWD created problem. David I don't know any business where the rules stay static. The owners of theses breading facilities can always "hunt" off their stock on their own property to reduce their loses and leave the business, if they think they can't make a profit. I know that sounds harsh, but TPWD first priority is to protect native stock, not the profits of famers.
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These elitist thought we'll breed up these 200class deer and sell them for a fortune. Mother Nature took a hit for a while but it looks like the Murphy bus has come back
around. These guys were for the most part are rich snobs that got their way for a few years but when you start messing w/football and deer hunting in Texas...you've stepped in it. TPWD knows which side it's bread is buttered on and it ain't supporting some rich fat cats that want to play by a different set of rules and get by w/it. We've got probably 1.2 million hunters and a deer herd of 4 million deer. That's a lot of money to go to bed w/the wrong fellas. powdr
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Half a million deer in Texas?
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It was TPWD that allowed Deer Breeding in the first place. And now some Breeders are upset because TPWD wants to regulate the business to keep CDW from spreading to the native population, tuff. Their is no guarantee of a profit when you are in business. In fact most business fail, these folks know the risks. Yes, but TPWD is now changing the rules of the game years after many of these people invested their personal stakes in the business. When government regulation wipes out a thriving business with a stroke of a pen people are going to get upset, because their livelihoods are being damaged. Again, I 100% think this should NEVER have been allowed to come to this point, and I think the entire practice should be illegal, not just more carefully regulated. But you can't blame the people that followed a legal business opportunity. This is a TPWD created problem. David I don't know any business where the rules stay static. The owners of theses breading facilities can always "hunt" off their stock on their own property to reduce their loses and leave the business, if they think they can't make a profit. I know that sounds harsh, but TPWD first priority is to protect native stock, not the profits of famers. Most of the bigger outfits will probably be able to comply with this level of regulation. This is going to hit the smaller operators hard. Again, I think the whole practice should be illegal and should never have been allowed in the first place. I'm not in favor of reversing the decision to favor the breeders. I just don't think the breeders are the villains here. TPWD created this situation, then have subsequently reversed course changing the rules mid-stream. If I had just invested my life savings into one of these little breeder outfits with the eye that one day it might at least partially fund my retirement, I would have been pissed with the new regulations also. This isn't a loophole that some exploited, that TPWD is trying to tighten up on - TPWD had the opportunity to rule against this BS in the beginning and they allowed it. Now they are beginning to realize this can't continue. Ultimately, I don't think the new rules will be sufficient and ultimately the entire deer breeding farm concept will have to be eliminated. I can't help but feel sorry for the small entrepreneurs that will be driven out of business because of an initial failure on TPWD's part that they are now being forced to correct. David
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Half a million deer in Texas? 3.95 million in 2014, and will probably be in well in excess of 4 million by the opener this fall.
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Ben, that's my fault. I meant that we kill half a million deer in Texas each year. The herd stays somewhere around 3.75-4 million animals annually. powdr
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Thanks for the clarifications. That's a lot of breaded backstraps.
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It was TPWD that allowed Deer Breeding in the first place. And now some Breeders are upset because TPWD wants to regulate the business to keep CDW from spreading to the native population, tuff. Their is no guarantee of a profit when you are in business. In fact most business fail, these folks know the risks. Yes, but TPWD is now changing the rules of the game years after many of these people invested their personal stakes in the business. When government regulation wipes out a thriving business with a stroke of a pen people are going to get upset, because their livelihoods are being damaged. Again, I 100% think this should NEVER have been allowed to come to this point, and I think the entire practice should be illegal, not just more carefully regulated. But you can't blame the people that followed a legal business opportunity. This is a TPWD created problem. David I don't know any business where the rules stay static. The owners of theses breading facilities can always "hunt" off their stock on their own property to reduce their loses and leave the business, if they think they can't make a profit. I know that sounds harsh, but TPWD first priority is to protect native stock, not the profits of famers. Most of the bigger outfits will probably be able to comply with this level of regulation. This is going to hit the smaller operators hard. Again, I think the whole practice should be illegal and should never have been allowed in the first place. I'm not in favor of reversing the decision to favor the breeders. I just don't think the breeders are the villains here. TPWD created this situation, then have subsequently reversed course changing the rules mid-stream. If I had just invested my life savings into one of these little breeder outfits with the eye that one day it might at least partially fund my retirement, I would have been pissed with the new regulations also. This isn't a loophole that some exploited, that TPWD is trying to tighten up on - TPWD had the opportunity to rule against this BS in the beginning and they allowed it. Now they are beginning to realize this can't continue. Ultimately, I don't think the new rules will be sufficient and ultimately the entire deer breeding farm concept will have to be eliminated. I can't help but feel sorry for the small entrepreneurs that will be driven out of business because of an initial failure on TPWD's part that they are now being forced to correct. David So one should risk the up to 5 million wild deer population here? Because some folks don't want to test and make less income vs none at all?
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I'm pretty sure that's not what he's saying: Again, I think the whole practice should be illegal and should never have been allowed in the first place. I'm not in favor of reversing the decision to favor the breeders. I just don't think the breeders are the villains here.
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It was TPWD that allowed Deer Breeding in the first place. And now some Breeders are upset because TPWD wants to regulate the business to keep CDW from spreading to the native population, tuff. Their is no guarantee of a profit when you are in business. In fact most business fail, these folks know the risks. Yes, but TPWD is now changing the rules of the game years after many of these people invested their personal stakes in the business. When government regulation wipes out a thriving business with a stroke of a pen people are going to get upset, because their livelihoods are being damaged. Again, I 100% think this should NEVER have been allowed to come to this point, and I think the entire practice should be illegal, not just more carefully regulated. But you can't blame the people that followed a legal business opportunity. This is a TPWD created problem. David I don't know any business where the rules stay static. The owners of theses breading facilities can always "hunt" off their stock on their own property to reduce their loses and leave the business, if they think they can't make a profit. I know that sounds harsh, but TPWD first priority is to protect native stock, not the profits of famers. Most of the bigger outfits will probably be able to comply with this level of regulation. This is going to hit the smaller operators hard. Again, I think the whole practice should be illegal and should never have been allowed in the first place. I'm not in favor of reversing the decision to favor the breeders. I just don't think the breeders are the villains here. TPWD created this situation, then have subsequently reversed course changing the rules mid-stream. If I had just invested my life savings into one of these little breeder outfits with the eye that one day it might at least partially fund my retirement, I would have been pissed with the new regulations also. This isn't a loophole that some exploited, that TPWD is trying to tighten up on - TPWD had the opportunity to rule against this BS in the beginning and they allowed it. Now they are beginning to realize this can't continue. Ultimately, I don't think the new rules will be sufficient and ultimately the entire deer breeding farm concept will have to be eliminated. I can't help but feel sorry for the small entrepreneurs that will be driven out of business because of an initial failure on TPWD's part that they are now being forced to correct. David So one should risk the up to 5 million wild deer population here? Because some folks don't want to test and make less income vs none at all? Really? Why do you respond to posts you don't bother reading? David
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i'd be afraid to even eat one those pumped up whitetails.you may grow a 2ft prong.
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There should not be Deer farm ,deer breeders ,deer pin up . Their wild not a farmer thing . the deer are feed pellets made from deer by products so they are fed deer with sickness an CWD TB an what ever sickness out there Reminds me of the English and their (mad) cattle.
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It's just a big money grab at the expense of the regular hunter. powdr
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