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I have have been told a D.G. Rifle can't have a scope on it is that right??? Rio7
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I have have been told a D.G. Rifle can't have a scope on it is that right??? Rio7 That's right. You aren't allowed to have any type of sight on your D.G rifle... You can only shoot from the hip too...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Blue,I have a Leupold 1-4x on my .460 and have no intentions of taking it off. Going to put a Leupold 2.5x on the .450 Howell.
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I have have been told a D.G. Rifle can't have a scope on it is that right??? Rio7 No it is false information
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I have have been told a D.G. Rifle can't have a scope on it is that right??? Rio7 And you have to make your own powder, mold/form your own bullets, sleep in a tent, make fire from spinning an arrow on deadwood...
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Just thought I would check with the people that know, I have a few big bore rifles and all but one have scopes on them and they have served me well, but then again I am no expert. Rio7
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Actually, you are better off with a low powered scope than you are with irons.
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jorgeI, I agree with you. Rio7
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Ken, Guess we are not Qualified to shoot D.G. Rifles. Rio7
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That's alright Blue,we'll do it our way.
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Good info Rio, I use and have had scopes survive well on: 458 Win Mag 1.5-5 Leupold 416 Taylor 1.5-5 Leupold 400 Whelen 1.5-5 Leupold 375 H&H A.I. 2.5-8 Leupold 375 H&H 1.5-5 Leupold And have recently found out here on the 'fire that the newer 3X Leupold Big Bore scopes will survive the recoil from my 505 Gibbs firing the 600 gr Woodleighs. I'm with the group here that does believe more accurate shots can be placed with at least some magnification from a rifle scope, heck, that's why they have glass in the laboratory, we need to be able too see, hope the 3X lives on my Gibbs when I get one, that rifle broke the cam/?cams in two 1.5-5 Leupolds.
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I have have been told a D.G. Rifle can't have a scope on it is that right??? Rio7 Wrongamundo!
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I think there may be some confusion over this depending upon what people are referring to.
A DG rifle for a sportsman should have a scope to place one perfect shot under the majority of conditions. The first shot when taking a DG species is the determining factor in the outcome of the events 90% of the time. It's critical to have a very precise perfect first shot.
The term alone "DG rifle" if referring to a rifle carried by a PH might very often have open sights. This is not a hunting rifle, but rather a last moment shot at very close quarters. Either by shooting a wounded fleeing animal, or when it pops up in front of you while blood tracking.
My DG work rifle has Warne QD rings with a low power scope, however that scope can be removed instantly. Then replaced with a rear peep sight in the rear base, or just fold up the rear open sight to use with the standard open sights.
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I'm with both ingwe and JJ. My one time DG hunt, I had a low power scope with Warne QD mounts, and fiber op iron sights from NECG. Both critters were shot with the 1x4 power leupold shotgun scope, left on board. maddog
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Brave man, Single shot!
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Blue,I have a Leupold 1-4x on my .460 and have no intentions of taking it off. Going to put a Leupold 2.5x on the .450 Howell. That Weatherby will eventually take it off for you.
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I have have been told a D.G. Rifle can't have a scope on it is that right??? Rio7 Wrongamundo! That's a big, shaggy, muddy bastard. So is the buffalo!
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Blue,I have a Leupold 1-4x on my .460 and have no intentions of taking it off. Going to put a Leupold 2.5x on the .450 Howell. That Weatherby will eventually take it off for you. Rev,that .460 is a gentle giant with the right handloads.
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Rev,that .460 is a gentle giant with the right handloads. Um...no.
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You know, Roy Weatherby designed his stocks so those things could not be affixed to the stock!
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You know, Roy Weatherby designed his stocks so those things could not be affixed to the stock! Of course not. They wouldn't be needed...Just show up with a Weatherby and the critters will surrender.....They ( like me ) are so awed by their reputation ....
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A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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We need a sarcasm font.....
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You know, Roy Weatherby designed his stocks so those things could not be affixed to the stock! Of course not. They wouldn't be needed...Just show up with a Weatherby and the critters will surrender.....They ( like me ) are so awed by their reputation .... The .460 still seems perfect for DG. Once you fire it, the recoil will make the actual animal attack seem much less traumatic...
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Odd you mention that Patrick...first time I shot even the puny .416 Rigby my first thought was that it would be no good for charging dangerous game.... All I could see were little stars and tweety birds...
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I shot a .577 double. Once. After a while I commented to folks that if an elephant was charging me, and the rifle was laying in front of me, I'd have to think about it... I've shot my .475 Turnbull & .458 off the bench - both with 500gr full-house loads - and it was not fun, but not horrible. The .475 only weighs about 9lbs, 2oz with scope. I think my recoil limit is somewhere between .475 & .577 You can get 350gr TTSX for a .416; I think those would have to be fine for anything except elephant.
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Odd you mention that Patrick...first time I shot even the puny .416 Rigby my first thought was that it would be no good for charging dangerous game.... All I could see were little stars and tweety birds... Question is,did it knock any sense into you?
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The last place I want to shoot a big bore is off a bench, standing off of sticks or off hand makes heavy recoil much more tolerable. Rio7
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Sometimes you just gotta go with your big rifle.
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Odd you mention that Patrick...first time I shot even the puny .416 Rigby my first thought was that it would be no good for charging dangerous game.... All I could see were little stars and tweety birds... Question is,did it knock any sense into you? Yeah...it made me not like anything over .400 ....... I also shot a .416 Wby. Mag...Dat fugger shot GOOD! ( Don't tell jorge.....)
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Sometimes you just gotta go with your big rifle. That WAS my big rifle...... and its obviously big enough!
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Bell certainly thought so. I'm about half way through "Karamojo Safari" again. It was good enough for 12,000 pound elephant; it's certainly good enough for 300 pound pigs.
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If you read his Appendix on Rifles and shooting in "Bell of Africa" IIRC.... it tells you pretty much everything you need to know about shooting a big game rifle...
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It was good enough for a few elk,gemsbok, kudu, and lesser critters by the score....
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If I ever get a chance to head to the Mother Land, I'll put a bit of meat on the fire with it in your honor.
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It has put more than a little meat on a mopane fire....
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Odd you mention that Patrick...first time I shot even the puny .416 Rigby my first thought was that it would be no good for charging dangerous game.... All I could see were little stars and tweety birds... Question is,did it knock any sense into you? Yeah...it made me not like anything over .400 ....... I also shot a .416 Wby. Mag...Dat fugger shot GOOD! ( Don't tell jorge.....) That is Ross Seyfried's favorite caliber for Buffalo.
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I hope you didn't read the whole post...especially the last line! I also shot a .416 Remington and found it obtrusive...a .470 was better in my mind...but not by much. A .458 Lott kicked me into submission and all tolled I found my recoil tolerance ended at .375 which I could manage very well. That was years ago and now my recoil tolerance is quite a bit lower. Went to the Doctor 15 years ago for some painful shoulder problems, he X-rayed... " Looks like you've got bone spurs in the Bursis and traumatic Arthritis...from some type of repeated trauma...." " Would that come from shooting a .375 a couple thousand times?" I axed him... "Yep....that would do it!"
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I've been very fortunate so far. Aside from not being that recoil sensitive, I do have my limits and that was an 8lb 458 Lott. Otherwise, I can shoot my 450NE off the bench a few times and stuff like 416 Rigbys are not a problem at all. I consider the 375s to be rather mild and my 340 Weatherby, although it has a very fast, sharp recoil, is also not a problem.
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Brave man, Single shot! Yeah...but he had his Bubba Buddy ready to rock! Bubba Buddy's will keep ya out of the deep doo-doo.....just sayin'....
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The 375HH is the most powerful rifle for what you feel in recoil ever made.
Capable of performing any task, while managing to be gentle on your anatomy.
The Holland & Holland, It's the greatest return on your recoil investment
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I shot a .577 double. Once. After a while I commented to folks that if an elephant was charging me, and the rifle was laying in front of me, I'd have to think about it... I've shot my .475 Turnbull & .458 off the bench - both with 500gr full-house loads - and it was not fun, but not horrible. The .475 only weighs about 9lbs, 2oz with scope. I think my recoil limit is somewhere between .475 & .577 You can get 350gr TTSX for a .416; I think those would have to be fine for anything except elephant. , You was at a nice 28 degree pitch after the BOOOMMMM Tex.
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I would contend that, in the 21st Century, a DG rifle MUST have a scope on it.
Lion (if the Obamunists and the cost ever allow us to hunt them again) and leopard are often shot in low light conditions, requiring precise shot placement when it is difficult to line up iron sights. Buffalo often require shooting precisely through openings in the bush. In fact, Boddington has written that anyone using a double rifle with iron sights will forfeit 40% of his or her shot opportunities.
Hippo often have only part of their head above water. Crocodile? You must hit an object smaller than a tennis ball from dozens of yards away. As for elephant, you want to place a bullet precisely into a (mostly) non-moving target.
The only time I would NOT want a scope would be following up a wounded leopard, something I have never done. The solution is to scope the DG rifle but use QD mounts and make sure the iron sights are reasonably zeroed.
The only wounded DG I ever had to follow up was a wounded buffalo. It never occurred to me to remove the scope and the final shot was about 30 yards away, with insurance shots about 10 yards closer. The scope caused me no problems.
Make sure your rifle fits, though, so that when you look at something, close your eyes, bring up the rifle, and then open them, your cheek is on the cheekpiece and you are looking through the scope at the object.
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