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Also, I would go 22" number 2 in 7-08.

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richardca99,

I had a conversation with Melvin a couple months ago, specifically asking about how he felt about the .284 these days. For a while he didn't recommend a .284 to anybody except hard-core handloaders, because of all the hassle involved in "uniforming" Winchester brass.

But with all the good .284 brass available today, whether 6.5/.284 or Norma's recent "straight" .284's, he is happy to chamber it these days. In fact he said that these days about half the rifles he makes are .284's.


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the only advantage i see with the 7mm-08 over the 284 in this case is if you need ammo on a trip....since you are a handloader load up and move on just make sure you have your ammo when you leave.....

I couldnt decide on a 22 or 24 inch barrel so I just split the difference at 23...Melvin ordered the twist rate so I can only assume it is a 1-9...

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Originally Posted by richardca99
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I still can't grasp picking the 284 over the 7mm08, of the two, but people like to complicate sheit.


What is so complex about the .284 that the 7-08 makes easy?


LOGISTICS


Then tell me what a 284 is gonna do that a 7mm08 ain't.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer


As somebody else already noted, Norma is making .284 brass. I hadn't heard it was an exclusive, but Melvin told me about it a couple months ago. Personally, I would lean toward the 7mm-08 for the purpose you describe.



bullet.com says it's their exclusive, so that's where the info came from.

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I dont see any logistics problem with the 284 at the present time

you buy brass/bullets/powder/primers for either its the same thing

granted the 7mm-08 brass may be easier to find but when you find the 284 brass which is available now just buy a gross and be good to go for a long time...

the model 20 comes with a three inch magazine why not take advantage of it with the 284 cartridge

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I'm scratching my head over the #2 preference at the Campfire. When it comes to the 308 based cartridge, I share Melvin's opinion, why in the world would you want to do that?

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PRESENT ain't tomorrow.

Again, please tell me what a 284 will do that a 7mm08 will not?

Hell, whilst we are at it, why not a 7mm WSM? That will get you even more.


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Regarding the 284 vs 7-08 debate, the 7-08 will always, always, feed better which is reason enough. The 7-08 also has less powder, Lapua brass, and there will be no practical field difference in performance.

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well if he doesnt purchase enough brass presently and was in a pinch he could easily use 6.5-284 which is one of the most popular rounds in the long range game so really no brass issue at all or for the future that I can see.........

as far as what a 284 will do that a 7mm-08 wont I will ask you the same question what will your 250 ackley do that a standard 250 savage wont...basically they are all the same when it comes to taking game animals...

I would think if a guy can afford a Nula he can easily buy 200-300 cases that are presently available and if he uses the gun as a hunting rifle that will last he for as long as he needs

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as far as feeding issues after owning two nula rifles in 284 trust me there will be no feeding issues with a nula coming from Melvin....

I would bet Melvin has built more 284 winchesters than any one in the country

boils down to buy what you want and makes you happy....

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Originally Posted by ctsmith
I'm scratching my head over the #2 preference at the Campfire. When it comes to the 308 based cartridge, I share Melvin's opinion, why in the world would you want to do that?


Balance, more pleasant to shoot and more steel for heat dissipation. The action and stock are light enough that a little more weight in the barrel doesn't hurt, and the barrel is the one place where a little more weight is useful.



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Jewell or Timney?


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Smoke, I hear you, I just can't stand the thought of adding 1/2 lb to the most popular fly weight rifle ever made. That said, I throw a 20 oz scope on it, so what do I know. grin Seriously, add a 1/2 lb for the scope and a 1/2 lb for the barrel and suddenly your flyweight rig is a pound heavier, which is significant. I recon I choose to add the weight in glass that gives me comfort.

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There is no wrong answer, just personal preference.



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I know you roll with both. Its all good. grin

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I debated over a #1 and #2 for a while and it makes no sense to buy the ultimate lightweight rifle and add weight to it but that is what i did...I think it is actually more like 4oz in weight when you compare the weights douglas list on their chart...they list their #1 at 22 inches and their #2 at 24

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Gene, I've handled and shot a NULA 284. Yes it fed good, surely sufficient enough, but still not as smooth as the 308 based cartridges, in my experience. I've grown to really appreciate butter smooth feeding.

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i would agree with you on that when comparing the two...but my 284 feeds great with no issues unlike some of the stories you here from others concerning this catridge

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Originally Posted by Steelhead
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Originally Posted by Steelhead
I still can't grasp picking the 284 over the 7mm08, of the two, but people like to complicate sheit.


What is so complex about the .284 that the 7-08 makes easy?


LOGISTICS


Then tell me what a 284 is gonna do that a 7mm08 ain't.


About 150 fps nominally, give or take. Important in the overall scheme of things? Not really...I concede that.


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