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Originally Posted by jbmi
Some dumb S@#! that beats his wife and or kids should have a lot more taken away from him than his gun.
They should cut of his nuts too !!!!
No problem here with the ruling.


No one here disagrees with what you mean but for example, in California "A defendant can be convicted of domestic battery (sometimes known as “spousal battery”) even if the “victim” is not injured in any way. All that's required is that the defendant use “force” or “violence” against him/her.3

http://www.shouselaw.com/domestic_violence273-5.html

That is a Heck of a long way from I believe both you and I mean by a dumbA@#! wifebeater. There is a general population in Hell for those guys but half of them don't get convicted because the wife will not testify against the abuser. But I have seen some guys get manipulated by a scheming partner and end up losing their rights after a mere push (carefully orchestrated by the less than honest woman).


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Originally Posted by Crow hunter

The Lautenberg amendment was the camel's nose under the tent, this was the camel coming completely into the tent.

It's insane that a right could be taken after a misdemeanor conviction. If it's serious enough to deprive someone of their rights then it's serious enough to be a felony.
Actually, laws prohibiting ex felons (felons who served their time and "paid their debt to society") from owning a firearm was the camel's nose under the tent. If it's an actual right, then being an ex felon should not have any effect on it, so long as one is not currently and lawfully in the custody of the state.

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Well, they can get one on the "black market" anyway, there are so many out there. Or so the logic goes

Or on the internet or a guns show.


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The Vote was 6-2!!! There are 4 solid conservatives on the SC right now but only 2 voted against it? Not going to happen even if Trump were to win. Keep in mind even if Trump wins he is on record supporting gun control.

Trump's 2000 Position on gun control...

"I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today's Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record."

Why should anyone here g.a.f. what you think?

You are on a pro-gun, pro-freedom site and you support more gov't and anti-gun, anti-freedom creeps like Obama and Clinton.
Crawl back into your progressive hole with your other socialist minions...


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Crow hunter

The Lautenberg amendment was the camel's nose under the tent, this was the camel coming completely into the tent.

It's insane that a right could be taken after a misdemeanor conviction. If it's serious enough to deprive someone of their rights then it's serious enough to be a felony.
Actually, laws prohibiting ex felons (felons who served their time and "paid their debt to society") from owning a firearm was the camel's nose under the tent. If it's an actual right, then being an ex felon should not have any effect on it, so long as one is not currently and lawfully in the custody of the state.


That is true. There was no prohibition on felons owning firearms until the Gun Control Act of 1968 was passed.


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Originally Posted by broomd
Originally Posted by northwestalaska

The Vote was 6-2!!! There are 4 solid conservatives on the SC right now but only 2 voted against it? Not going to happen even if Trump were to win. Keep in mind even if Trump wins he is on record supporting gun control.

Trump's 2000 Position on gun control...

"I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today's Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record."

Why should anyone here g.a.f. what you think?

You are on a pro-gun, pro-freedom site and you support more gov't and anti-gun, anti-freedom creeps like Obama and Clinton.
Crawl back into your progressive hole with your other socialist minions...

Do you see the irony in what you said?

Or did you mean "pro-freedom as long as you agree with me"?


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Originally Posted by Snyper
Originally Posted by broomd
Originally Posted by northwestalaska

The Vote was 6-2!!! There are 4 solid conservatives on the SC right now but only 2 voted against it? Not going to happen even if Trump were to win. Keep in mind even if Trump wins he is on record supporting gun control.

Trump's 2000 Position on gun control...

"I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today's Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record."

Why should anyone here g.a.f. what you think?

You are on a pro-gun, pro-freedom site and you support more gov't and anti-gun, anti-freedom creeps like Obama and Clinton.
Crawl back into your progressive hole with your other socialist minions...

Do you see the irony in what you said?

Or did you mean "pro-freedom as long as you agree with me"?


Right on time, the Walt/Stevil circle jerk needed a pivot man.


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Originally Posted by HilhamHawk
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Crow hunter

The Lautenberg amendment was the camel's nose under the tent, this was the camel coming completely into the tent.

It's insane that a right could be taken after a misdemeanor conviction. If it's serious enough to deprive someone of their rights then it's serious enough to be a felony.
Actually, laws prohibiting ex felons (felons who served their time and "paid their debt to society") from owning a firearm was the camel's nose under the tent. If it's an actual right, then being an ex felon should not have any effect on it, so long as one is not currently and lawfully in the custody of the state.
That is true. There was no prohibition on felons owning firearms until the Gun Control Act of 1968 was passed.
Correct, and once you allow for one exception, where the state may violate the Second Amendment prohibition against infringement on the RTKABA, there's no logical stop to the progression of this trend. It should never have been allowed to start with.

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Rub your thumb and index finger together!!

THAT'S....what it's all about!!


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Originally Posted by jbmi
Some dumb S@#! that beats his wife and or kids should have a lot more taken away from him than his gun.
They should cut of his nuts too !!!!
No problem here with the ruling.


If the crime is that bad, charge the [bleep] with a felony...

The Second Amendment leaves no wiggle room for these liberal puke judges.

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Originally Posted by 700LH
Obviously "Gun Rights" is not a right, but a privilege easily taken away, about like a drivers license.

No one likes people that beat their partners, but the precedent set is a open door to other similar restrictions.


Like a parking ticket or jaywalking.


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Originally Posted by T LEE
Nibble, nibble, nibble, that is how they will get the guns.
It's beginning to be "chomp, chomp chomp"...

Originally Posted by Crow hunter
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It's insane that a right could be taken after a misdemeanor conviction. If it's serious enough to deprive someone of their rights then it's serious enough to be a felony.


What's next? Might be this: Run a stop sign or get cited for speeding - lose yer gun rights...


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Originally Posted by 4ager
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Domestic charges (atleast here) also would apply if you got into a fight with your brother, or anyone else living in the same house (think roomate)


Here, it even includes prior roommates. Get drunk and punch your college roommate five years after you graduate? Technically, that's family violence.


All for a misdemeanor.

Thomas was right - find ANY other Constitutionally protected, enumerated right you can lose for a mere misdemeanor. There are none.

We've been sold out, wholesale, by the supposed R "conservative" Justices.
Seems strange that there were enough to get us Heller. The money has always been there. Then Scalia was murdered and all but Thomas saw the light.

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But hey, the news media and Scalia's own family said he died of natural causes and they wanted NO autopsy...That makes me just a tinfoiler.

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I'm guessing Ike Turner lost his gun rights for slappin a ho.

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Originally Posted by slumlord
I'm guessing Ike Turner lost his gun rights for slappin a ho.


Last I heard, Don King has a carry permit...

Here's a link I seen on facebook with Thomas opinion... http://www.gunowners.org/news06272016.htm

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Originally Posted by TheOldTree
Well, they can get one on the "black market" anyway, there are so many out there. Or so the logic goes


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Where were the defenders of our 2nd rights.
Where was the NRA?
I didn't receive any, not one Email regarding this being before the court from them.

Where were the people that have been using the 2nd to help advance their careers?
Not one word from Ted Cruz or anyone else, not one.

Serious issues and apparently for Political Correctness, or fear of public perception, this has just let slip thru with no outrage, NONE at all.

Felons have since GCA of 68 lost the right to bear arms, and I see no reason that if a domestic attack is serious enough to loose a Constitutional right, then why were not felony charges brought in the first place?

We all just got the shaft, and take it like the good sheeple we are. Nowhere do I hear or see any outrage, just a few posts on the internet. Sad to say the least.

Folks seem much more interested in abortion, than the right to keep and bare arms.

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Originally Posted by 700LH
Where were the defenders of our 2nd rights.
Where was the NRA?
I didn't receive any, not one Email regarding this being before the court from them.

Where were the people that have been using the 2nd to help advance their careers?
Not one word from Ted Cruz or anyone else, not one.

Serious issues and apparently for Political Correctness, or fear of public perception, this has just let slip thru with no outrage, NONE at all.

Felons have since GCA of 68 lost the right to bear arms, and I see no reason that if a domestic attack is serious enough to loose a Constitutional right, then why were not felony charges brought in the first place?

We all just got the shaft, and take it like the good sheeple we are. Nowhere do I hear or see any outrage, just a few posts on the internet. Sad to say the least.

Folks seem much more interested in abortion, than the right to keep and bare arms.


The NRA probably supports this decision


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Originally Posted by gitem_12

The NRA probably supports this decision


Your absolutely correct, they do.

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The NRA Is Now Helping Advance Anti-Domestic Violence Laws

Thanks to clandestine support from the National Rifle Association (NRA), domestic violence victims in several states have been granted a major protection from their abusers. Lawmakers are taking guns away from offenders who are issued protective orders — with the backing of the country’s most prominent gun rights organization.

As the Huffington Post reports, the NRA consented to HB 1840, a Washington state bill making it legal to strip abusers of their guns if they are served with “no-contact orders, protection orders, [or] restraining orders.” And while the bill was signed into law last month, the NRA also approved similar measures elsewhere, within the last year. Wisconsin, Louisiana, and Minnesota have signed or advanced legislation banning abusers from keeping guns if they’ve been issued an order or charged with misdemeanors, all with NRA support.

The NRA’s latest stance contrasts its previous attitude toward campaigns against domestic violence. Previously, if legislation was on the table to take guns away from offenders, the NRA adamantly opposed it. Specifically, the lobby consistently argued that guns should only be stripped from abusers convicted of a felony, and lawmakers under its influence refused to advance new gun laws. But the NRA’s new position is clearing the path for lawmakers to target perpetrators in a substantial way.

The shift can be attributed, in part, to ongoing efforts aimed at boosting gun rights support among women. For instance, the NRA sold bras with holsters and pink guns at a convention last year, in an attempt to make the weapons more appealing to women. And a campaign by NRA Women encourages women to embrace guns and “Refuse To Be A Victim.’ In reality, arming women doesn’t actually protect them from their abusers.

The NRA’s approval of slightly stricter gun laws is part of a larger trend: Strategies to address domestic violence are advancing at local, state, and national levels. Activists are developing creative ways to assist victims, such as teaching beauticians how to identify signs of abuse. Police departments are also implementing policies to identify perpetrators. The Supreme Court recently took a step toward ensuring that domestic abusers can’t get their hands on guns, and survivors of domestic violence have new medical benefits under the Affordable Care Act.

Today, roughly one-third of all women living in the U.S. have experienced domestic violence


"Today, roughly one-third of all women living in the U.S. have experienced domestic violence"

Today, the domestic partners of roughly one third of women in the United States can lose their gun rights.






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