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Originally Posted by jorgeI
"God" as in the Bible, written and edited by human beings? noted.


And, not a word of it will fail to come to pass.


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Originally Posted by GunReader
The claim that homosexuality is an innate, biological difference was a political tactic that was knowingly promoted by the LGBT community in the '70s so that they could receive affirmation and minority recognition instead of counseling.

Even change for the better causes pain. Nobody wants to do much self examination, especially of the sort needed for profound change.

The "biological" view is unmerciful, it condemns people to a life of disease and misery. The "biological" view also condemns children who are unsure about themselves. My view is merciful and allows for people to change for the better, to have hope for a life full of vitality and joy.


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
I don't think it is, maybe in some, but I'm pretty convinced is a freak of nature having to do with hormones/
Prove it. Nobody else has, and they have been trying like heck. This is your chance at fame! The left touts science as the impartial repository of facts and when none are available, they make them up.

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Originally Posted by GunReader
The claim that homosexuality is an innate, biological difference was a political tactic that was knowingly promoted by the LGBT community in the '70s so that they could receive affirmation and minority recognition instead of counseling.

For a variety of reasons (none of which included my orientation) I had many homosexual friends during my college years. Every one that I got to know well enough had some identifiable cause that resulted in this psychological reaction, to the point that I could not concur with the idea that it was an innate biological condition. Nothing I have seen since then has changed my impression of that.

Personally, I don't particularly care how people pursue love or get their rocks off, but I am tired of homosexuality as a political cause - it is hollow. The frequent need of gays to rub the public's "face" in their choice of behaviors by parades, banners, lewd public behavior and so on is just another expression of the inner conflict they feel over this choice.


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I don't have to. When I say a man, skipping around a penchant for interior decorating and a feminine voice, it doesn't take a genius...


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Originally Posted by Reloder28
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"God" as in the Bible, written and edited by human beings? noted.


And, not a word of it will fail to come to pass.


Please prove this.

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God calls homosexuality an abomination...

lol

The Bible calls MANY things in everyday life "an abomination". Do you feel the same disdain for ALL of them too, or just this cherry-picked one...?


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
I don't have to. When I say a man, skipping around a penchant for interior decorating and a feminine voice, it doesn't take a genius...

jorge, you seem like a very good guy, but looks like you are on thin ice with this "hormonal" driver and "freak of nature" explanation unless you are willing to conjure a similar way to explain pedophiles, necrophiles, etc., etc. throughout the realm of aberrant sexual behavior. Some people do make strange choices with their lives.

As for those skipping around with a penchant for interior decoration, that can simply be another aspect of the human ability to put on an act - maybe an act of wishful thinking - and those with mental illness are best at such displays.

Those who try to find some "normal and natural" defense for homosexual behavior have been claiming the "hormonal" and "born that way" excuses for a long time, but their scientists have not come up with any solid data to those ends. Some people do make strange choices with their lives.


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Homo issues are common in nearly every species. Years back a fellow researcher worked with sheep. A gay ram is not an issue if one has a 1000 animals. In a hobby flock with only a single ram, however, a breeding season could be a complete loss. Gay issues in sheep are at about a 5 to 10% rate.

The research project involved hopping up rams on every conceivable hormone possible in an attempt to kick them into gear using both blood and brain pump injections. Shipped in some really hot ewes from Nevada, and not a single ram came around. It's a wiring issue as opposed to hormones.

Hormones are often used in AI breeding programs to determine when cows are ready for breeding. In those instances a cow is hopped up with male hormones, and she will then exhibit male behavior humping anything that smells or postures correctly. When she singles out an individual, it's hustled into the chute and inseminated.

Have a nephew that's come out, and he's sat literally in tears telling his mom and grandmother that he'd do anything to be straight. He is a very unhappy kid.

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Originally Posted by CCCC
Originally Posted by jorgeI
I don't have to. When I say a man, skipping around a penchant for interior decorating and a feminine voice, it doesn't take a genius...

jorge, you seem like a very good guy, but looks like you are on thin ice with this "hormonal" driver and "freak of nature" explanation unless you are willing to conjure a similar way to explain pedophiles, necrophiles, etc., etc. throughout the realm of aberrant sexual behavior. Some people do make strange choices with their lives.

As for those skipping around with a penchant for interior decoration, that can simply be another aspect of the human ability to put on an act - maybe an act of wishful thinking - and those with mental illness are best at such displays.

Those who try to find some "normal and natural" defense for homosexual behavior have been claiming the "hormonal" and "born that way" excuses for a long time, but their scientists have not come up with any solid data to those ends. Some people do make strange choices with their lives.


Honestly...I am at the point where I do not think there is any 'normal' when it comes to innate human behaviour...I have come to the conclusion we are what we make ourselves, for good or bad.

I suspect the only over-riding common theme across humanity is the inborn need to control and dominate, some do it via hunting, some by entering politics, religion, sects, etc...others do it by channelling into family, career, and such.

Whatever you do is at the base level up to you and as such whinging about the choices made is pitifully arrogant and pointless.


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I don't know about some of you fellows but I have known that I liked T&A for as far back as I can remember. It's not such a stretch to imagine someone else growing up knowing they liked the twig and berries.


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God calls homosexuality an abomination...

lol

The Bible calls MANY things in everyday life "an abomination". Do you feel the same disdain for ALL of them too, or just this cherry-picked one...?


All of them.

Except the one's Jesus excluded.

I'm hoping that includes shellfish and bacon.

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Used to have an older guy at work - this was in the early 1970's - who told me more than once that it was LESS stressful to be bi-sexual, as it made it twice as easy to get a date on Saturday nights!

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Growing up I heard that Homosexualism was a disease and they could not help themselves, the last few years it is suddenly a choice. I tend to agree that the overwhelming majority are doing this by choice. Metrosexuals did not exist a decade ago and are suddenly prevalent, what brought that on?

I also think that being a man trapped in a womans body or vice versa is a genuine mental disease.

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i personally DON'T think homosexuality is a disease, it isn't something that is contracted.

i'm sure some people are wired to be attracted to the same gender, and i have no problems with that

I do however also think that because individuals can and WILL get extra attention for being LGBT, that some are "coming out" for the sole purpose of getting some nature of attention that they were not getting otherwise

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Originally Posted by CCCC
... you are on thin ice with this "hormonal" driver and "freak of nature" explanation unless you are willing to conjure a similar way to explain pedophiles, necrophiles, etc., etc. throughout the realm of aberrant sexual behavior. Some people do make strange choices with their lives.

And, interestingly enough, all of those behaviors along with homosexual behavior, addictions, and other compulsive disorders are extremely difficult to change. To the point that some argue they are impossible to change.


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God says "it's wrong"

Darwin says "you can't survive"

take your pick

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Originally Posted by Sauer200
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"God" as in the Bible, written and edited by human beings? noted.


And, not a word of it will fail to come to pass.


Please prove this.


Don't have to. It is written.


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we call 'em queer, because being homo, is not normal. smile


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if your main sex act involves rooting around in other peoples bee hinds with your mouth and genitals, then it don't take a genius to figure out why thats unhealthy. i really don't understand how people can not realize that this is abnormal, unnatural behavior and condone it and try to paint a rainbow over this disgusting behavior.


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