Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Deer Hunting Need advice on bang flops

Gunner there just ain't no doubt that brown bear loads will cause a whitetail to throw in the towel.....

FLOP!

LOL, you remember back in our speedster days, you know, we had hair and whiskers with color, I've hit deer with 34 and 3600 fps projectiles that caused them to drop, but sometimes bolt to the high heavens.

I have to believe that extra velocity causes a spooled up adrenaline dump and they simply haul ass, maybe the 35 cals at 2700 just calmly hurt like hell and they fall, I don't know, but, I've read and seen, there is something to the 35 cals and quick kills, now to get my 358 Norma with 250 Partitions at 2809 ready for spike season.

Gunner: I dunno......grey beard or not I question what I thought I know...


Piss ant 270's anyway....whatever....LOL!

Those deer died from "hunter fright," not the anemic 270.

Hard to believe since I've seen them take 200 grain bullets from a .338 Win. mag square through the lungs and still run a good ways before they fell. Must be some magic in those .35's except I've seen enough well hit with bigger, smaller, faster and slower and still run that I don't believe in magic calibers, velocities or bullets anymore.

I believe it's a not yet discovered physics scale BH, I do know, the 35's I've hit deer and pigs with have all gave up the ghost post haste.

The only .35 I have any personal experience with is the .35 Rem.. Shot a bunch with that back in the 80's. Couldn't see that it was one bit more effective than my old .30-30 and it cost more to shoot so I sold it.

The only deer I ever lost was a big buck hit twice through the lungs with .338 Win Mag 250gr Partition bullets. We did finally find him about 1/2 mile away 3 (hot) days later. Looked like the bullets punch through with no expansion.
A month earlier, this same box of bullets bang-flopped an Alaskan bull moose and caribou with classic mushroom of the recovered bullets.

I have a 338 Win. mag that likes the 250 Partition. I have a 243 Win. that likes the 95 Ballistic Tip. If I'm looking at a lung shot on a deer I'll take the 243 every time.

I agree with you. I was using the .338 because it is the one I had ready to hunt and been practicing with before we went to Alaska for the moose hunt. The rifle that usually goes deer hunting is a 30-06 Springfield with 165 gr partions, but now that I have lots of choices, I might use whatever rifles I've been playing with prior to the season. The Springfield is always along for backup though.
Another story about that 338, was on an elk hunt. We stopped to check our sights before heading into the hunting area. On my secound shot it sheared off the front scope base screws. The Springfield completed that hunt with a nice young bull.

I've seen the 06 and 165 gamekings punch through deer ribs without opening and never killing the deer, even though we found a small piece of lung on teh ground.

he was killed 3 weeks later chasing a doe....

There isn't a damn thing magical about 270 or 35 either.

Nor the 243 though in my youth I had a long string of bang flops going with it....

Yep, there isn't a magic bullet of any size. If the animal is in full panic mode they are hard to bring down, unless you hit them somewhere to made it physically impossible.

I'm gonna shoot more deer and pigs with the 358 Winchester and maybe my 358 Norma this year, I'll put all shots into the shoulders to see if the bang flop or stagger flop deal is still a fig newton of my imagination, I don't believe the visual surveys will be a tropical delusion either.

I'm sure they will probably work just fine. I can personaly attest to the fact that a 22 Hornet bullet placed directly behind the ear of an elk at 50-75 yards will produce a very quiet bang-flop. Like Rost495 said, there isnt anything magic about any bullet, depending on circumstances.

An old Game warden in Colorado told me the Winchester 25-20 was one of the most popular elk poaching cartridges back when it was available. But I don't think that would be an appropriate choice if you wanted/needed to break shoulder bones to stop them. I know I would want your 358.

Allen, simply trying to figure out why the moderate velocity [2700/2800fps] 35's have killed so quick, I understand the massive hydraulic forces of 3600 fps, and even though blood/water is non compressible, why/how have the better than 15 head of game simply fell, or staggered 6 feet and fell to mild mannered 35's?

I'll happily have to continue further research this year.

if it was 15 only, I can easily count that high with my 243 from youth....probably more like close to 30 or 40 bang flops with it, or at least the dash was 10 yards or less if so.

It was a function of luck and somewhat of shot placement.

15 with 35 calibers is pretty good when you hunt with probably 40 different calibers, but on a serious note, shoulder shots may be to blame.

I think it has more to do with your skill and hunting conditions than the bullet you are using. Nothing wrong with your .35s, but I suspect you could and have done just about as well with whatever you decide to use.

Every deer I've shot through the shoulders with my .243, .30-30 and even my .223 has dropped right there too. No magic ballistics involved, just shot placement.

Well Men, I'm sure enjoying the continued new learning lessons from the 35's, I am liking them more and more, did I mention how easy they were to make shoot good too, really quick hunting load development.