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Anyone here gone this route?
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Yep! It's an awesome low recoil cartridge. I'm really enjoying it! Shooting 140gr Berger hybrids. Mine is built on a m70wsm action.
I'm sure Pat will respond. His rifles are amazing!!
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Thanks! How's brass availability in general? I see GAP is currently out.... think that's temporary?
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More brass should be available August or September last I heard.
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make your own brass. The Hornady doesnt stack up to the others.
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I had one built by GAP, it's an awesome cartridge. Last year was my first season using it, 3 coyotes, 2 whitetail bucks and a big bull elk (at 417 yards), all DRT using 130 Berger VLD's. Check out Copper Creek Ammo for brass.
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make your own brass. The Hornady doesnt stack up to the others. Gotcha, and thanks, but I'm tired of chasing brass... I'm basing future builds on brass availability as a go/no go in the decision tree. Edit: well, let me ask this then. Some quick googling doesn't turn up SAUM brass; is it out there, easy to buy?
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Not hard to find if you are going to make your own 6.5's.
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I haven't tried the Hornady brass. They had trouble with it on the first batch. I've only used Norma and Remington with no issues.
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Try this:
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site:24hourcampfire.com 6.5 saum
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Then proceed to skullphuck it to death....as per your MO.... Too late........
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Lol.....he could have searched for minutes and read for hours. Maybe he wants attention?
I would say it's not too uncommon and several guys here have them ironed out. Then again I said same thing about 6 creed and was told how full of chit I am.
I'd suggest a short action but that's a big no no.
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I have searched. It is discussed at some length on the LRH forum. I also appreciate the opinions of folks here. A short action it will be, maybe even a M7. Thanks for the help guys. I like the sound of this one, as I keep stepping the recoil down in my shooting. Getting old or some shït.  Thanks again.
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Most guys running them in a short action are using modified AI mags to get the extra COAL capability. Not sure how that works with a model 7...
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The LRH forum doesn't have much. Go over to snipers hide. George, Scott and Pat have posted a lot of info there as a lot of guys also use the 4S for comps.
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Most guys running them in a short action are using modified AI mags to get the extra COAL capability. Not sure how that works with a model 7... I believe GAP is using a new Badger DBM bottom metal for the M7 action.
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Jeff get yourself a Defiance Rebel XM...super nice action with a little extra length!
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Dogcatcher, thanks. The M7 would be a bit of a wild hair. I think I'd go DBM style there, which would allow lots of COAL. However, stock options are greatly limited with the M7 compared to a regular short action M700 and that's especially true with a DBM setup. Kimber7, thanks. I'll put on my tacticool filter and go check it out <grins>. Ackley, thanks. I will doing the barreling and action work myself and I'd rather true up a cheap M700 action and mill it for an extended box... but I have a buddy who just got a Defiance and raves about it. I'm sure it's awesome. I'm equally sure I am not an awesome rifleman <g> and a good trued M700 will suffice for my needs. Really appreciate the input guys. Just fired of a message to GAP inquiring about brass. If it's a go I'll order up a barrel when I get back from this damn vacation I'm on (getting bored by perfect weather, beaches, bikinis... WTF?!)......... 
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Guys have some for sale in the classifieds. Next batch from Hornady will be in stock at GAP in the near future per George. Xtreme Hunters rock... ![[Linked Image]](http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/Kimber7man/IMG_1485.jpg)
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Kimberman, what scope you runnin on your 6.5?
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Kimberman, what scope you runnin on your 6.5? That's the same scope I have on mine. S&B 10X42 PMII.
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Thanks Pat, good looking setup!
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It sure is! Very nice setup. A couple questions if I may... looks like they spec that rifle with a #3 Bartlein; that's just a skootch heavier than a Remington Mag profile barrel, which is what I was thinking I'd use. However the Bartlein #3 has a lot more shank. Interesting. A Rem profile would certainly be easier to fit to various stocks... you guys like the longer shank? And, how much COAL is that DBM setup giving you, and do you feel you need it with the 6.5 GAP?
Antelope (and just plain fun) are the driving force behind this build... I have the points, after 15 years, to finally pull an Oregon tag. We were going to do it this year but but my youngest needs installed into her college dorm right in the middle of the season; I can't miss that.
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2.970" coal with accurate mags, or modified AI mags. Plenty to keep from seating any 140gr class bullets bearing surface below the neck/shoulder junction.
H1000 and IMR7977. Are both just about perfect from what I've found. I have 7000 rounds down range with two different rifles.
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It sure is! Very nice setup. A couple questions if I may... looks like they spec that rifle with a #3 Bartlein; that's just a skootch heavier than a Remington Mag profile barrel, which is what I was thinking I'd use. However the Bartlein #3 has a lot more shank. Interesting. A Rem profile would certainly be easier to fit to various stocks... you guys like the longer shank? And, how much COAL is that DBM setup giving you, and do you feel you need it with the 6.5 GAP?
Antelope (and just plain fun) are the driving force behind this build... I have the points, after 15 years, to finally pull an Oregon tag. We were going to do it this year but but my youngest needs installed into her college dorm right in the middle of the season; I can't miss that.
Thanks much guys. No reason you have to keep the full shank put it in your lathe and cut some off 1"-11/4" is just about perfect, if your wanting a 9# all up rig use a #3 ,better yet get yourself a 2B for a little less weight!
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Guys have some for sale in the classifieds. Next batch from Hornady will be in stock at GAP in the near future per George. Xtreme Hunters rock... I know both of those characters.... grin
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Thanks for the info on DBM COAL's. What twist do you guys run in your 6.5 SAUM's? Gonna order up a barrel as soon as I decide on the contour, which currently has me confuzzled. I like that the Bartlien #3 is a little heavier than a Rem mag profile. I think.
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Extreme Hunter is 8.7 twist.
My lightweight build is a Bart 2b 8 twist. We'll see how that one perks in a week or two...
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Same here
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Ok, found the thread on SH and am working my way through it. Epic!
I am coming to the realization that I should just do a "faux Xtreme Hunter"; Bartlien #3 fluted, Manners stock, Rem short action, Timney CE trigger.... still not sure DBM is the way to go for me, I've never had a DBM bolt gun... but I'm getting there <g>... do you guys feel the extra COAL is necessary? I could get 2.925" with a Wyatt's box.
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Sounds like a plan to me! The wyatts box is an option some people like them some don't. I think PTG makes a bottom metal that works with the wyatts and keeps the same round capacity.
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Ok, found the thread on SH and am working my way through it. Epic!
I am coming to the realization that I should just do a "faux Xtreme Hunter"; Bartlien #3 fluted, Manners stock, Rem short action, Timney CE trigger.... still not sure DBM is the way to go for me, I've never had a DBM bolt gun... but I'm getting there <g>... do you guys feel the extra COAL is necessary? I could get 2.925" with a Wyatt's box. Just make your Kimber WSM a switch barrel! Or take it on a hunt somewhere or for something you've never hunted... 
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Yeah, I've heard that about the Wyatt's. I used the extended box on my heavy 7 WSM; in that case it was as much about fixing the god-awful feeding as extra COAL. For reference, with the Wyatt's extended box installed the rifle now feeds superbly. In stock form (the donor was a 270 WSM M700 LSS) it was essentially unusable. Other than losing a round of capacity, I'm not sure what there is to dislike about the Wyatt's box, but then I am not as picky about this stuff as some of you who are further down the loony road <g>. The box mag on the Xtreme certainly looks like it has great utility. I'm coming around to the notion. I have an aversion to all things tacticool. At any rate, I've been looking for my next project, and wanting a 6.5 of some flavor... now that I see there's brass for this one it's clearly the way to go. Pretty excited. Seems like a VERY capable package, and I love me some short actions.
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Ok, found the thread on SH and am working my way through it. Epic!
I am coming to the realization that I should just do a "faux Xtreme Hunter"; Bartlien #3 fluted, Manners stock, Rem short action, Timney CE trigger.... still not sure DBM is the way to go for me, I've never had a DBM bolt gun... but I'm getting there <g>... do you guys feel the extra COAL is necessary? I could get 2.925" with a Wyatt's box. Just make your Kimber WSM a switch barrel! Or take it on a hunt somewhere or for something you've never hunted... Don't you start in with that whole "voice of reason" thing again! Can't argue with your logic, I really can't. However, as much as I like my Kimber it's a little light for ME to get the full potential out of the cartridge. And my other 7 WSM is a heavy carry. I will be packing it this fall for high desert mulies again, but if I can match what the heavy 7 can do, but in a midweight package.... that'd be cool. I can write off the build as a shop expense ("learning a new type of machining", right?).... so that helps. But in the end, I just love to play with rifles. It's a disease.
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Every time I think about getting another short magnum in 7mm or .30 cal, I just look at everything Pat and George have killed with the 6.5 4S and decide to spend my money on primers, bullets and powder...
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Question for the Xtreme Hunter owners: how much of a palm swell does that stock have? Compared to say a Sendero II?
Not a big fan of the swell but the HS stock on my Sendero is the only one I've experience with.
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FYI there's some 6.5 brass for sale in the classifieds!
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Thanks. Not ready to buy brass. First comes the lead time stuff- barrel and stock, reamer & gauges. This won't be ready till winter/spring 2017.
I spoke with GAP and they've got more brass coming in this fall... honestly I wouldn't consider building it without a brass source. I'm tired of chasing brass.
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Every time I think about getting another short magnum in 7mm or .30 cal, I just look at everything Pat and George have killed with the 6.5 4S and decide to spend my money on primers, bullets and powder... Every time I think about building a 6.5 4s I think about all the stuff people have been killing for 100 years with the Swede... including millions of moose. So, I just keep shooting the .260... which is about the same thing....
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Now you gone and done it.......
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Every time I think about getting another short magnum in 7mm or .30 cal, I just look at everything Pat and George have killed with the 6.5 4S and decide to spend my money on primers, bullets and powder... Every time I think about building a 6.5 4s I think about all the stuff people have been killing for 100 years with the Swede... including millions of moose. So, I just keep shooting the .260... which is about the same thing.... You're way ahead..... Just took me 4 of them for it to wear off.... Grin....
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Every time I think about getting another short magnum in 7mm or .30 cal, I just look at everything Pat and George have killed with the 6.5 4S and decide to spend my money on primers, bullets and powder... Every time I think about building a 6.5 4s I think about all the stuff people have been killing for 100 years with the Swede... including millions of moose. So, I just keep shooting the .260... which is about the same thing.... Yep, one can't have too many 6.5's!
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Ok, I've been slowly wading through the long thread on SH about the inception of the round. Much respect for all involved and the overall way it's been handled. I love that the 6.5 GAP is spec'd, so to speak, as a low-pressure round run with full cases of slow powder, with long barrel life and brass life. Very cool.
I'm liking the notion to dupe the Xtreme more and more... in Gardner I trust, grin.... with the possible exceptions of the Vais brake, and the DBM setup. With the new, shorter-freebore reamer GAP switched to- at least new in 2014, which is as far as I've gotten in that thread- a Wyatt's would give me plenty of COAL. And I'd never used a brake. However....... guys who know rifles rave about the Xtreme, so.... might be best to follow the recipe <g>.
I like that the shorter-freebore reamer should work well with my Kimber's COAL limits too... oh my... a 6.5 SAUM Montana....
Thanks for the inspiration, guys. Should be ordering my 24" Blumlein #3 fluted 8.7 next week... and the Manners stock. Are reloading dies still a long lead time item?
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Whidden probably has dies in stock. They make a nice bushung set. Very happy wih mine. The 6.5 SAUM is a geat round. I got one last year and killed 4 critters in 3 states with the 130 gr JLK at 3150 fps.
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Thanks sambo! Talked to Manners and Bartlein on Monday and am getting those two major lead time items ordered in the next few days.
How are you guys liking the Hornady GAP 4S brass? Is GAP still recommending using their neck-turn reamer even with that brass?
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Jeff, fire up your manners order asap. I ordered two in early December and just got the shipping confirmation yesterday. Bartlein ran me about 6 months.
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Jeff, it might be quicker and cheaper to buy a used Extreme Hunter off snipers hide - there have been a few lately at a substantial savings over new.
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Kimber7, thanks, but building it is at least half the fun, and I'm all set up for it. I ordered the Manners SL stock and a SS fluted 1:8.7 24" Bartlein #3 last week. I'm ordering a bare (no bolt) M700 short action tomorrow and will fit a PTG magnum face fluted bolt to it. I'm going to shamelessly follow the GAP Xtreme Hunter blueprint. Differences will be, M700 action (trued) and I'm a huge fan of the Timney CE trigger so I'm going that way. Also, I doubt I'll Ceracoat it. Other than that in following their pattern to the letter. It's gonna be a fauXtreme.
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would love to see the progress. I'm 55 shots down my GAP Non-Typical in 6.5 SAUM - basically Xtreme with floor plate and B&C stock that I like tons.
Just so happens that I drew my Wyo Sheep permit on the 17th try so we'll see how she does in the back country in 3 weeks. Love the gun and caliber. Right now I'm a bit slow it seems to some of the other numbers posted.
61.5 H1000 and 140 VLD hunting = 3020 fps. But, I'm punching several honest 1/2" MOA groups at 100 and I'm no benchrest shooter.
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Gies, sounds like a great rifle and a great tag! Mine is (nominally) for an antelope hunt next year that I've saved 15 years of points towards. The lead time on the stock and barrel is ~ 6 months. So it'll be a while before there's anything to show. I am going to true the action and fit the bolt long before then though. And buy parts.
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I promise I pulled that thistle. My rancher wife chewed my butt when I sent her the same photo. ![[Linked Image]](http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t185/gies340/Mobile%20Uploads/20160725_101643_zpshehxyqr5.jpg)
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PS - I went with their muzzle brake. Never thought I would but it is so mild to shoot other than the sound.
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Gies,
Looks nice. Did you have them use Badger M4 floor plate with the GAP mag box?
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I didn't specify any options here it's their 3-inch mag box and follower for WSM per the Non-Typical spec.
hope that helps,
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That looks like a cow thistle. We have those, they are not great but not SO bad... however, we have been trying to get rid of a Canadian Thistle infestation for the last decade. About got them, but I've said that before... we'll see.
Interesting on the brake. Do you have the VAIS that GAP uses on the Xtreme?
I had confused myself about which of the (3) GAP-spec'd reamers to use. Reading the threads on the Hide, it's confusing because it changes over time... then the new brass comes along and that further changes things... Anyway, I want to use the GAP 6.5 brass, and I don't want to turn the necks. Talked with Dustin at GAP today (such nice folks there!) and the .2962" NK reamer is the one.
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Interesting on the brake. Do you have the VAIS that GAP uses on the Xtreme?
Yes, that's the one. My rifle is basically the Xtreme in a different stock with traditional bottom metal.
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Interesting on the brake. Do you have the VAIS that GAP uses on the Xtreme?
Yes, that's the one. My rifle is basically the Xtreme in a different stock with traditional bottom metal. I thought about going extended mag box with traditional bottom metal but then I realized I don't know enough to try for my own awesome blueprint, I just need to copy someone else's! Plus... while the 7 WSM I built with a Wyatt's extended feeds like butter, it's a little finicky to load the magazine. Flat follower and all (I guess). How do you like that VAIS? Do you shoot from prone much? Seems like it'd be a dust storm waiting to happen.
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I've only shot from the bench so far. Trigger man is pretty protected but I do see a lot of muzzle blast bouncing off the tin roof and angling back. I expect some dust. I saw a video of Pat shooting, I think with a brake, and couldn't believe the lack of recoil... Not positive if this is the vias: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qoXjq2LO2d4
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I saw that video (with George cussing a blue streak, haha) when absorbing those huge 'Hide threads...... a key part of my indoctrination into the cult of 6.5 GAP 4S..... grin.
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I got into this chamber earlier this spring after much research. You might also want to check out the 6.5 GAP facebook page for more info. I love mine, launching 140 ELD-M's at a miserly 3150 fps (could go faster easily).
Given one of your stated criteria as being availability of brass I hope you don't overestimate that! The next run of stamped brass may coincide with your build or it may not. The runs of the Hornady stuff are FAR from an everyday occurrence. Also, I am not sure it is the preferred brass; don't know cause it has not been available.
A lot of guys have to go the 300 SAUM or (better option) 7MM SAUM conversion route. Even then it is by no means a 'gimme' that it will be there the day you want it. Not trying to put a fear in you but, were it me, I'd want a stock in hand prior to the parts arriving...can't bare the idea of having a new toy that I wouldn't be able to shoot that day!! You might also want to start stocking up on some H-1000. Personally, I'd not consider this cartridge if I weren't willing to accept making my own cases.
You can get custom dies or just order 7MM RSAUM Reddings and put in the appropriate bushings. They work great.
Hope your project comes together for you.
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West side, what barrel length?
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Gardner and Sikes are out in my backyard (Unit 14 in Alaska) killing caribou with the 6.5 Squirrel Shyte (6.5 GAP/SAUM)
! seems to be working out great for 600+ yard shots on giant caribou so far........
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Westside, yeah, I've been following the SAUM/GAP brass saga in hindsight so to speak as I read through the massive threads on the Hide. I don't do Facebook but I've been talking with Dustin at Gap; the next batch of 6.5 GAP brass is imminent. I intend to buy some and put it in my secret squirrel stash for later <g>...... if I can get it. It's gonna be a mad scramble when it comes out. This batch totals 100,000 more pieces. If I miss on that I'll buy enough of the 7 SAUM that is out there now to get me rolling and try to get in on the next batch of GAP brass.
Mainly, in conversations with Dustin and from reading up on it, George and crew are completely committed to this round and as time moves forward, there "will" be GAP headstamped brass available. They say.
My bare M700 receiver gets here later this week as does my PT&G bolt... that'll be cool as I can get to work truing the action and fitting the bolt. But it's still a long time before I get the Barlein barrel and the stock from Manners.
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If I miss on that I'll buy enough of the 7 SAUM that is out there now to get me rolling and try to get in on the next batch of GAP brass.
Have you looked at what's "out there now" for 7SAUM brass?
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If you keep a vigilant eye out for Rem 7SAUM brass you can occasionally find it. I just got a few hundred of off gunbroker for less than what the Hornady will sell for. I'd rather have Hornady brass that I can load and shoot without all the work, but don't want to wait on them to figure out how to make it match the hardness of the RP brass.
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If I miss on that I'll buy enough of the 7 SAUM that is out there now to get me rolling and try to get in on the next batch of GAP brass.
Have you looked at what's "out there now" for 7SAUM brass? Yes. Plenty of REALLY EXPENSIVE Nosler/Norma.
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If I miss on that I'll buy enough of the 7 SAUM that is out there now to get me rolling and try to get in on the next batch of GAP brass.
Have you looked at what's "out there now" for 7SAUM brass? Yes. Plenty of REALLY EXPENSIVE Nosler/Norma. Always expensive, NOT always available. There are at least a few sources now but they were not when I got started. Fortunately I stumbled on to some Nosler blems on SPS for something like a paltry $40/25...never did see what the blem was. Play it how you like. [img] [IMG]http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k427/ben_falk1976/DSC00860_zpsf1eoarqy.jpg[/img][/img]
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Speaking of the recent 7mm short mags it would seem ONE of them has to survive! I have a 7 WSM reamer so it'd be nice if it was that one. Probably not. That leaves 7 SAUM. If Nosler sells out of this batch, one would presume they'd re-up the order; just makes sense on the face of it. But who knows.
With the 6.5 GAP 4s I'm just gambling I can procure enough brass to use up a barrel... ill take that bet <g->.
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200 pieces will do it easily.
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Jeff O -
would love to see the progress. I'm 55 shots down my GAP Non-Typical in 6.5 SAUM - basically Xtreme with floor plate and B&C stock that I like tons.
Just so happens that I drew my Wyo Sheep permit on the 17th try so we'll see how she does in the back country in 3 weeks. Love the gun and caliber. Right now I'm a bit slow it seems to some of the other numbers posted.
61.5 H1000 and 140 VLD hunting = 3020 fps. But, I'm punching several honest 1/2" MOA groups at 100 and I'm no benchrest shooter. You must be out hunting! Be sure to report back. Progress... I'll definitely update as I go. I got the BARE action and PT&G bolt on hand now. I'll probably blueprint the action next week. I made a couple bolt knobs just to have something to do, a small stainless one and a bigger aluminum one. These are making the aluminum one: ![[Linked Image]](http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r111/handwired/FE06FB1D-9754-4DB2-941E-83BCB2D23FED.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r111/handwired/DD12AD0E-C51D-462B-9E21-602176D7245F.jpg) .... and then polishing it: ![[Linked Image]](http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r111/handwired/7138DB03-44AD-4B2B-A5B8-230BFFBF4FDB.jpg) I made it with my radius turner on a 5/16" mandrel. Radius turners combined with tapers will MESS with your head! Looks like this, and there's the smaller stainless one too: ![[Linked Image]](http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r111/handwired/78F27466-0BB9-4B6D-BF06-CF72EC85C566.jpg) Finally, Remington is putting different marking on their receivers now... weird. ![[Linked Image]](http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r111/handwired/7577F2BD-5FB2-4D57-B9ED-C62DECBBC337.jpg) I'll take some pics when I'm truing up the action. That'll be fun.
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Trued up the action today. My hoof is busted so I needed to do something that didn't involve walking anyway. This is the action jig I made. Making the brass tipped screws is a pain; the black Allen screws are hardened. ![[Linked Image]](http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r111/handwired/69E41E4E-AD71-4A21-8368-04AB4CFF6AED.jpg) Here it is, mounted up in my action jig: ![[Linked Image]](http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r111/handwired/FB7440EC-2D98-4270-B36C-EC77D688167D.jpg) I use a mandrel to establish the the centerline of the action relative to the bolt race. I make them myself. It's finicky, as the ID of the bolt race varies by a few tenths between actions- or at least it has for the 3 I've done. Anyway, one of my mandrel a from a different action worked fine in this one, except that I had to reverse it. Cool! Here's a video of the action dialed in in the jig. Hopefully it'll work. I squared the action face, squared the lugs, opened up the ID of the threads by .010", and recut the threads. I used the term "blueprinting" earlier. That's probably an overstatement as I didn't ream the bolt race and fit an oversize bolt. This is better described as a "truing", I think. Other than building up the receiver (bolt innards, ejector, extractor, trigger, bolt stop, and so on) I'm about out of things to do until the stock and barrel are done.
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Second run of Hornady brass looks great per George testing it
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You must be out hunting! Be sure to report back. ![[Linked Image]](http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t185/gies340/Mobile%20Uploads/20160907_171416_zpscklcsvni.jpg)
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Thats Awesome!!
What was your load?
Also a hunting story please.
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George got the shipment of brass in, just put it for sale on the GAP website today. Cheaper than the first batch!
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140 Berger, 61.5 H1000 ~ 3020fps. Awesome hunt and back country experience. I could write a book, "All the things they didn't tell you about sheep hunting".
Short shot, only about 150 but very downhill. Steep and deep country, awesome horse and mule experience (even after rolling one down the mountain - but he made it), grizzly fight in camp (at night).
Couldn't ask for much more.
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Awesome! Sounds like a great hunt. How did the Berger do? Kimber7, yes, I already bought some today, but thanks! I only got 120 cases 'cause a) it's not for sure this is perfected brass yet and b) I'd just spent myself into the fun-money poorhouse buying a bunch of parts needed to do this build, like the APA RTG bottom metal, the bolt shroud & pin, M16 extractor, etc. But 120 will get me up and rolling and hell, by the time I get the stock and barrel in February 2017, GAP will probably have another batch in hand anyway!
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140 Berger, 61.5 H1000 ~ 3020fps. Awesome hunt and back country experience. I could write a book, "All the things they didn't tell you about sheep hunting".
Short shot, only about 150 but very downhill. Steep and deep country, awesome horse and mule experience (even after rolling one down the mountain - but he made it), grizzly fight in camp (at night).
Couldn't ask for much more.
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Thanks gents! Jeff - Berger was awesome. I made a good shot and pinwheeled him right there. We found the largest part of the bullet thru far side shoulder. I put it in a ziplock with my lunch in the saddle bag. That night's whiskey celebration plus the previous nights bear fight (that's two bears) in camp has us burning a bunch of trash. My buddy didn't know that's where I stowed it and the bullet was lost. Dang shame too. But, that's hunting, right (?) and a pretty good story.
Lots of great help (and patience) from Scott, Pat and others here on 24 over the past several years. My original plan was a 260 thanks to Pat's incredible thread 308 vs 260. I had also thought Creed was an option. I didn't want another mag that didn't get shot much. Reading and learning about George's theories on pressure and case design really pushed me to the SAUM. Something also cool about it still being not quite mainstream and different. I still have a bunch of questions about some advanced reloading stuff that I've never been a part of (bushings, neck turning, etc) but look forward to that as well.
I hope you enjoy yours as much as I have already mine. Antelope and a couple elk planned yet this year with the SAUM.
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140 Berger, 61.5 H1000 ~ 3020fps. Awesome hunt and back country experience. I could write a book, "All the things they didn't tell you about sheep hunting".
Short shot, only about 150 but very downhill. Steep and deep country, awesome horse and mule experience (even after rolling one down the mountain - but he made it), grizzly fight in camp (at night).
Couldn't ask for much more.
Hi Gies, Adventures are awesome, hunts ok. Grin! Congrats on the sheep. Can I please ask you to share the blueprint of your rifle? Many thanks, Bob
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It's a gorgeous rifle. Pretty sure that's the GAP pattern- Manners SL, Bartlein #3 fluted twisted 1:8.7..... I won't lie, it makes me doubt my decision to go with the Xtreme Hunter pattern which has the DBM. Very clean-looking rifle.
Gies, what's your take on that Nightforce Compact on there? Enough X's? I've got a 3-10 NF SHV on my 7 WSM kimber and am liking it very much, but was thinking of going with higher X's on the top end for the 6.5 SAUM. Such as a 3.5-15 NXS if I can swing it.
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Bob, my pleasure. I went with the GAP NonTypical in 6.5 SAUM, plus fluted the barrel and muzzle brake at 24". Slightly longer LOP. http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-precision-2016-custom-rifles/ga-precision-non-typical.htmlJeff, I really love that compact scope. They've discontinued the 2.5-10x32 (with 30mm tube) and think it is a great, all around scope. I didn't want a 2# scope on this gun. You can still find these on close outs like Europtic. I was also considering S&B fixed power. This scope I have has the zero stop and velocity reticle. They work well together. We've shot steel to 1150. As I said before, I'm no shooting prodigy. If I ever save again, I'd like a heavy rig with more magnification for paper and steel. There are many opinions and I'm no expert, but I don't think you can go wrong with NF or S&B.
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Yeah... I have a 5.5-22 NXS on my heavy rifle, also a 7 WSM. It's nice to have the magnification on tap. I'm also no great rifleman-- I'll take all the help I can get!
I'll report this- the tracking on my 3-10x42 SHV matches exactly with the NXS; same dialed input on either gives 900 yard hits on 11" steel gongs. Both rifles are 7 WSM's, same load. Anyway the SHV is a very good scope. Doesn't have the illumination, though.
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It's a gorgeous rifle. Pretty sure that's the GAP pattern- Manners SL, Bartlein #3 fluted twisted 1:8.7..... I won't lie, it makes me doubt my decision to go with the Xtreme Hunter pattern which has the DBM. Very clean-looking rifle.
I'd be very surprised if you didn't end up liking the DBM. Not as clean, but feeding and convenience are great and the extra COAL is nice too. Didn't think I would like it, but after using a PT&G/AI mag setup, I really like it. John
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Geis,
Many thanks. I didn't realize that was a straight up GAP. Damn good lookin rifle regardless!
John (Hondo), I'm torn over a DBM for the 4S that I will be building. I think a Wyatts box might also be an option. Good feeding and a bit more room over my stock Rem 700 box.
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Bob, I did a Wyatt's extended in my heavy 7 WSM on a Rem short action. It feeds like butter, but you only get 2 rounds down. A little finicky to load with the flat follower. 2.925" max COAL which is shorter than the DBM is going to give me.
I am intrigued by DBM. Also wary of becoming tacticool.
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DBM is cool but not what I wanted for an all Wyoming, hunt anything rig. If I do build another for paper/steel/prairie dogs, I'll go the DBM route. Mine feeds great and if I do what I'm supposed to, I only need one shot anyway.
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I'm planning on shooting the absolute crap out of it, as I have been my 7 WSM's. Once I have the 6.5 GAP reamer and 7 SAUM go/no go gauges a new Bartlien is only $480... no labor charges... so that helps a lot. As I've started building these things myself it's changing my thinking about a rifle: it's now a chassis that holds a replaceable barrel <grin>. The Manners/ DBM setup appears to be a worthy "barrel holding chassis" and hopefully the Rem action and PTG bolt will prove worthy as well. They should. Anyway, I do think the DBM will be nice for what I intend to be a high-volume rifle. But, that ADL (blind) magazine setup sure looks clean and low-drama. And, having just bought the bottom metal for $275 (w/o mag) going blind or just using factory BDL bottom metal, which I have on hand as a spare part, I can attest would've saved me considerable dough. Edit: I just zoomed in on the pic and damned if that isn't a BDL, not blind, setup! Still nice and clean, though a blind mag would be REALLY clean. I'm leaving my comments above so we can laugh at them.
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I'll only go blind magazine if I am really concerned about weight. It's just not worth it to have to shuck shells to unload. BDL or maybe detachable mags....will have to see.
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New one is in the house. Not enough time to prep it for my WY trip but it's here! ![[Linked Image]](http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/Kimber7man/IMG_0551.jpg) Next to my XH: ![[Linked Image]](http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/Kimber7man/IMG_0546.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/Kimber7man/IMG_0549.jpg)
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Those look nice, how much do they both weigh?
One of the more interesting threads recently by the way......
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As pictured.
The extreme Hunter, with scope, 8 lbs 12 oz.
The new one, 6 lbs 15 oz.
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Like them both but I could really like a lefty clone of your lighter rig. It will be neat to see what load you end up with for that one.
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Gerry,
Thanks!
I plan on using the 130 JLK for both!
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Dibs on LW! 😎
What are the specifics, if you don't mind?
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Gap Templar V1
Bartlein 2b contour, 8 twist, 22" plus Vias brake
Manners EH-8 (originally was blind mag but they re-inlet it for DBM)
APA RTG DBM
Talley LW low 30mm
GAP OD cerakote
I'm thinking Sendero_Man might help me break it in soon...
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Gap Templar V1
Bartlein 2b contour, 8 twist, 22" plus Vias brake
Manners EH-8 (originally was blind mag but they re-inlet it for DBM)
APA RTG DBM
Talley LW low 30mm
GAP OD cerakote
I'm thinking Sendero_Man might help me break it in soon... I'll do what I can 😜
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Got my 6.5 GAP brass! Purty. Onto the shelf it goes with the other build ingredients <g>.
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Gap Templar V1
Bartlein 2b contour, 8 twist, 22" plus Vias brake
Manners EH-8 (originally was blind mag but they re-inlet it for DBM)
APA RTG DBM
Talley LW low 30mm
GAP OD cerakote
I'm thinking Sendero_Man might help me break it in soon... What days will you be in Wyoming...
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Get in this Friday around noon. Booked with Pete for 5 days. Heading out the morning of the 6th.
Thinking of having a 24hourCampfire 307 steak dinner night at the Occidental one night...
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Get in this Friday around noon. Booked with Pete for 5 days. Heading out the morning of the 6th.
Thinking of having a 24hourCampfire 307 steak dinner night at the Occidental one night... Sounds good... We can go shoot our Saums too
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Get in this Friday around noon. Booked with Pete for 5 days. Heading out the morning of the 6th.
Thinking of having a 24hourCampfire 307 steak dinner night at the Occidental one night... I go on shift tomorrow and off the 5th... I'll try and catch you guys on your way through on the 6th maybe...
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