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...rear sight is after market. Flat sides.
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Scarcest M70 I recall actually seeing in the flesh was a pre war in 405 Winchester. Supposedly one of a pair, but it had a factory letter of authenticity. The whereabouts of the other was unknown.
IIRC these rifles were mentioned in a footnote or somewhere in Rule's book.
Never seen nor heard of these scarce FW chamberings that have suddenly popped up the last few years. Bob, doesn't the lettering look all bunked up? Should also be "250-3000" too, instead of 250 savage, don't you think?????
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Never saw a legitimate M/70 with laser markings nor with the proofmark in the vertical orientation. The rifle screams fake on many levels, whoever faked it shows an obvious ignorance of how a real M/70 looked. In more than 40 years of buying and selling pre'64 M/70's I have only seen a handful of .250-3000's, all were standard weights.
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The roll stamping looks all wrong to me.  Same here. Immediately upon looking at it I thought the font was all wrong.
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it's a fake lazer etched or pantographed <sp> caliber marking
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Scarcest M70 I recall actually seeing in the flesh was a pre war in 405 Winchester. Supposedly one of a pair, but it had a factory letter of authenticity. The whereabouts of the other was unknown.
IIRC these rifles were mentioned in a footnote or somewhere in Rule's book.
Never seen nor heard of these scarce FW chamberings that have suddenly popped up the last few years. Bob, doesn't the lettering look all bunked up? Should also be "250-3000" too, instead of 250 savage, don't you think????? bsa: You guy have sharp eyes for detail from a collector standpoint. Been years since I paid THAT much attention and I'd have to dig out Rule to answer. Something does not look right.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Seller ended the auction....
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
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I wonder if he figured out it was a fake or if someone offered him a big payday.
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Woo, that one stinks. 
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Well, the auction is over and the bids never got to the reserve, so somebody dodged a bullet. I wouldn't touch a Winchester like that without a letter of authenticity from the Cody Firearms Museum.
All of the pre-'64 Winchesters that I still have from my Father's collection are lettered, so that when my kids sell them, the buyers will know that they are the real deal.
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Shame on the seller, if they didn't know it was a fake. If they did know and still tried to pass it off as original as their description implied, that's far worse. In either case, I won't be doing business with them. The world of collectible Winchesters is not that big and as a seller your reputation is everything. Scratch that one off the list...
Deadlines and commitments, what to leave in, what to leave out...
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Woo, that one stinks. I wonder if the magazine box and parts were original 250-Savage? They never did show that. Where would they get a 25 caliber pre 64 FW contour barrel?
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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The entire barrel is probably a fake, since the only other factory specs pre-'64 70 barrel with a .257" bore would be chambered in 257 Roberts and that would have to be set back to have the chamber recut.
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Well, the auction is over and the bids never got to the reserve, so somebody dodged a bullet. I wouldn't touch a Winchester like that without a letter of authenticity from the Cody Firearms Museum.
All of the pre-'64 Winchesters that I still have from my Father's collection are lettered, so that when my kids sell them, the buyers will know that they are the real deal. I couldn't imagine having to swallow a pill that bitter 260. 
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Woo, that one stinks. I wonder if the magazine box and parts were original 250-Savage? They never did show that. Where would they get a 25 caliber pre 64 FW contour barrel? Metal guts from a standard rifle, bottom metal from a FW, presuming it's aluminum, the barrel was probably standard and came from a lathe.
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Shame on the seller, if they didn't know it was a fake. If they did know and still tried to pass it off as original as their description implied, that's far worse. In either case, I won't be doing business with them. The world of collectible Winchesters is not that big and as a seller your reputation is everything. Scratch that one off the list... And yes, shame on that sombitch, he knew better than to try and pull that BULLCHIT!
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It's surprises me that this one didn't come from a well known seller in Florida.
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Hopefully, the seller ended the auction after he was convinced that it was a fake. But, sometimes Gunbroker sellers make deals with people to buy guns and they end the auction and complete the deal off line. At any rate, someone is either unhappy that he found out it is a fake or is going to be unhappy when he finds out it is a fake.
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Never saw a legitimate M/70 with laser markings nor with the proofmark in the vertical orientation. The rifle screams fake on many levels, whoever faked it shows an obvious ignorance of how a real M/70 looked. In more than 40 years of buying and selling pre'64 M/70's I have only seen a handful of .250-3000's, all were standard weights. I have a pre war 250/3000 in a carbine but it's still a standard weight barrel, just shorter
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Well, the auction is over and the bids never got to the reserve, so somebody dodged a bullet. I wouldn't touch a Winchester like that without a letter of authenticity from the Cody Firearms Museum.
All of the pre-'64 Winchesters that I still have from my Father's collection are lettered, so that when my kids sell them, the buyers will know that they are the real deal. Where do you get a P64 M70 lettered?
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