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With BLUE TAPE!!! You are a stunt hooter extraordinaire!!!
Wait until I do it with blue tape on a mini-14; that will really spin up everybody
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The 60 partition works great on deer if you can actually hit something with it.
On a side note, I am constantly amazed how I killed so many mule deer and antelope with my ol .22-250 and wally world bullets back before I reloaded...
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The old Mini 14 actually doesn't shoot too badly. Guess I'll need to find a good load for its 1 in 10" barrel. And do a bit more tuning. 
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I haven't been able to figure out an accurate load for the 62gr TSX in my 16" 1:8 AR. Can't get anywhere close to the lands - 223 Wylde chamber and seating to mag length (2.260"). Best groups are 1.5-2 moa; good enough to kill deer but not enough to make me proud of it. Is that poor accuracy to be expected in a setup like this, or is it worth more development?
Will probably try the 55gr TTSX next, maybe it'll shoot better. The 65gr SGK is working great for now, very accurate and cheap enough to shoot a lot of them.
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Yondering,
The tsx and ttsx are somewhat different from regular cup and core or bonded bullets in that they sometimes shoot better further from the lands. I would try R15 with the 62gr bullet, but would stay with ttsx of whatever weight as I have seen some of the tsx not open on deer.
Good luck,
David
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Yondering,
The tsx and ttsx are somewhat different from regular cup and core or bonded bullets in that they sometimes shoot better further from the lands. I would try R15 with the 62gr bullet, but would stay with ttsx of whatever weight as I have seen some of the tsx not open on deer.
Good luck,
David
Yep, those Barnes do like to jump. If they're not shooting, increase the jump. Sometimes optimal jump is more than you would have thought. DF
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Yondering,
The tsx and ttsx are somewhat different from regular cup and core or bonded bullets in that they sometimes shoot better further from the lands. I would try R15 with the 62gr bullet, but would stay with ttsx of whatever weight as I have seen some of the tsx not open on deer.
Good luck,
David
Yep, those Barnes do like to jump. If they're not shooting, increase the jump. Sometimes optimal jump is more than you would have thought. DF ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All true.
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Of course this topic begs the question, "Is the .223 AI enough gun?"
I prefer classic.
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Of course this topic begs the question, "Is the .223 AI enough gun?" Maybe we should start a thread.... 
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I haven't been able to figure out an accurate load for the 62gr TSX in my 16" 1:8 AR. Can't get anywhere close to the lands - 223 Wylde chamber and seating to mag length (2.260"). Best groups are 1.5-2 moa; good enough to kill deer but not enough to make me proud of it. Is that poor accuracy to be expected in a setup like this, or is it worth more development?
Will probably try the 55gr TTSX next, maybe it'll shoot better. The 65gr SGK is working great for now, very accurate and cheap enough to shoot a lot of them. ASC sells mags that allow a bit longer OAL - up to ~2.31" Some folks also take a Magpul and cut out the front of the mag to allow a longer OAL - I haven't tried it but I have heard you may be able to go up to ~2.35" Of course, you could go this route: ![[Linked Image]](http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww127/tex_n_cal/K1V.223-crop_zpstwtzakoe.jpg)
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Who has used the 62gr Swift Scirocco on deer?
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Patrick I asked that a couple months ago, and got no takers. Im anxious to hear the results too....
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Well, gonna order a box, then. If the 60 & 64gr Noslers have issues, maybe the 62 Swuft will work. The #1 shoots well with the 77gr Bergers, and the Swufts are shorter, so it should work in that rifle. Maybe even in the old 1 in 10" Mini-14 
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Don't quick substitute loads with the Swift, they have "sticky" jackets.
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Yondering,
The tsx and ttsx are somewhat different from regular cup and core or bonded bullets in that they sometimes shoot better further from the lands. I would try R15 with the 62gr bullet, but would stay with ttsx of whatever weight as I have seen some of the tsx not open on deer.
Good luck,
David
Yep, those Barnes do like to jump. If they're not shooting, increase the jump. Sometimes optimal jump is more than you would have thought. DF I can try more jump, but it's already about 0.140" IIRC. Seems like at that point, more jump may not matter much, but I could be wrong. I have considered the ASC mags (have some for 6.8 wildcats) and cut-out P-mags, but would prefer to find a Barnes load to fit my ordinary P-mags same as the rest of my ammo. I do have a #1 already, I got it dialed in for tiny bughole groups and now it just sits in the safe; isn't that how this loonyness works?
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Loonyness is having a single shot rifle in an AK-47 caliber
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Don't quick substitute loads with the Swift, they have "sticky" jackets. Hodgdon has data for both the 62gr TTSX and 62gr Swuft. Yeah it looks like they show a grain or so higher max loads with the TTSX.
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I have a very nice load developed for Wifeys AR-15 for around the house with the 64 gr Nosler bonded and CFE-223 Tex, it's a blunt shaped little bastid that I bet would impart a lot of pain. I can fire it into 1.5"/2" at 100 yards with an EoTech 556 with no wind.
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I've got 2 6x47L's in the build right now. Sure would like to use one on an upcoming AZ whitetail hunt in Oct. But, I doubt it will happen.
I was speaking with Ben (mudhen) and he spoke highly of a 60grn NP in a .22 centerfire.
I have a RAR .223 that I won in a raffle. I'm seriously thinking of working up a 60gr NP for this rifle and the upcoming hunt. Or even just using Fed Prem's.
As for TTSX, I think that personally I would go a bit heavier.
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When my boy was young he killed quite a few deer with a 220 Swift using 55 grain Bear Claws. It would break both shoulders easy. I still have a couple hundred of them. The FBI used them. They were the only bullet that would kill perps behind auto glass.
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