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Originally Posted by utah708

Clearly recoil tolerance is personal. I had a "perfect elk rifle" built in .300 Win: McMillan, trued Rem 700, Shilen, Jewell, etc. and ended up parting it out because the .300 was just more recoil than I shot well.


My solution for a 9# 300WM was a suppressor, and now I can shoot it with any fatigue. With nothing on the muzzle my 'dream rifle,' similar to utah's description, was capable about ten shots before I called it a day. I can't imagine a NULA in 300.

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Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
2.5-8 Leupold to keep the package nice and trim. If this wont work for your needs then nothing will. I shoot little coyotes to near 400 w a 7x on the top end Leupold.


Nope not enough mounting latitude for long actions.

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OP is in CA.... Suppressor isn't an option....

BUT.... it is a most viable solution if you live in a non-Nazi state. I've got a sub-8lb all-up .300 WSM.... it's a breeze to shoot with the can on it. It wears a 3-9x40 Leupold with 1/2 MOA turret.... it's a very capable 600 yard rifle, and I've stretched to 1/2 mile... though I'd probably limit shots at elks to the 500ish range.


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Originally Posted by Fastback65

Like I said I am usually the under 300 guy.
I have no dream of ever shooting an Elk at 1200 but will enjoy shooting at the range at the longer distance.
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It seems to me that you actually have two separate purposes here, and a rifle well suited to one, but not perhaps so well suited to the other.

I’m a fan of light rifles for hunting myself, and yes, it is possible to shoot them well. It would seem to me that as a hunting rifle for your usual run of shots out to 300, and maybe the odd occasion a bit further, your dream rifle should be well-suited.

However, based on my own experience, as a rifle for developing skills at the range for shooting out to 1200 yards it will have some serious drawbacks. Among other things, the recoil which isn’t a bother for the odd shot or two in hunting, becomes an issue for putting in shot after shot in practice at the range. It is also a good deal more challenging of course, to hold a very light rifle steady, and there’s no counterbalancing advantage to light weight in a rifle that you only carry to from your car to the line. Personally I’d be inclined to suggest that you might be better off having a second rifle, something with a bit of heft about it, for the long-distance range use, and keep your NULA for hunting.
That’ll make your scope choice a bit simpler too.

I’d be looking at getting something nice and light on your hunting rifle, both to take advantage of its light weight and handiness and also because a heavy scope on a light rifle with a bit of kick about it will be hard on mounts. For my own use on a light rifle for hunting out to 300 yards I personally would choose a good scope in the 2-7 to 3-9 sort of category. Unlike some I’m not inclined to crank dials for this sort of use, but that is a whole other argument.

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Thanks guys special thanks to Dan Utah and EFW

Reading the post I think I am pretty comfortable with recoil I shoot a 338 win mag now in a old red but tang safety Rugerr M77 have never had an issue with recoil in it.
The goal of this rifle is elk.
I have a 257 AI that is my deer rig I will try learning to shoot it to the darn gong so far out there.
My goal now that I will be having some time on my hands is to learn to shoot to 600 yards some day with both rifles.
I think learning to shoot will be with the 257 once I get it I can start on the 300 and not develop a flinch as it sounds like she might kick a little more than I thought.
Some great scopes have been brought up and I will try and put eyes on them b4 I buy one thanks again.

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Congrats

Yes two different purposes that somewhat oppose each other.
I would be thinking two scopes for the NULA a target scope and a Hunting Scope. Even on a model 28 a 6x42 starts to seem big a 6x36 is ideal to my thinking or a 2.5x8. As far as target scopes I am not well versed on them but you could go all the way up to 36x if you wanted too. Nightforce and Huskemaw have good reputations.

I also agree on the dedicated target rifle idea. It could be a Savage or Shaw in 6.5x284 or Creedmore. Much more fun to shoot and you could taylor loads to match the NULA in trajectory to be better hunting practice. Even in a heavier rifle a 300 starts to make my shoulder feel warm after a couple of boxes of cartridges. Sometimes I am only good for around twenty rounds others sixty but if I don't stop when my body tells me it is time to quit it is easy to develop a flinch or other detriments to accurate shooting. In that case more practice is counter productive.

Basically I just repeated Dan Oz and others. But JB said redundancy is good on the Kamp FAR.

Elk rifles to me the lighter the better as long as you can shoot it. A 1,200 yard rifle is none to light at about 15 lbs.


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My buddy (ask him if he is not my buddy grin) Melvin will tell you "You cannot kill it if you cannot see it!!!."

Anyway, Melvin really likes Leupold scopes and I suspect that he will advise you to use the VX6 or perhaps the 4.5-14X40 with my B&C reticle.

If you were to buy a .308, he'd probably advise the wonderful Leupold 2.5-8, but a .300WinMag is entirely a different critter.

Choose whatever you want, but do not be a "slave to tradition" and buy the scope that will make you happiest.

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Thanks dogzapper I thought he was partial to Leopold's I think I am leaning to the vx6 and getting the Bush for my 257 AI to practice with.
See what I like best. I am sure the wife will be on board with buying two scopes.
I think I will tell her hey had to do it I will be on a fixed income pretty soon lol.

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2.5-8 Leupold to keep the package nice and trim. If this wont work for your needs then nothing will. I shoot little coyotes to near 400 w a 7x on the top end Leupold.


Nope not enough mounting latitude for long actions.

Worked on a Savage LA and a CZ 550 LA I had.


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Originally Posted by Fastback65

Reading the post I think I am pretty comfortable with recoil I shoot a 338 win mag now in a old red but tang safety Rugerr M77 have never had an issue with recoil in it.

I think there is a substantial difference in recoil between a 9.5#-10# .338WM and a 7# .300WM but that's just me. Most of the guys who were shooting light .300Wby Mag rifles with me had breaks and they were tolerable. I absolutely hate breaks. A can will do you a world of good but I wouldn't hang a can on a Douglas #2 or #3 barrel and I honestly don't like to thread barrels that slim either even for a break. In a light gun I think the answer is less recoil. I shoot thousands of rounds a year through work rifles, match rifles, and smokeless muzzleloaders so I may have evolved a recoil aversion.

Leupold makes decent rifle sights but all of mine have become backups to better sights already mentioned.

You might look at different shooting venues around you and see what sort of matches they offer. One of the better events I've done to let you know how you feel about toting your stuff through the mountains is the Mammoth Sniper Challenge at Rockcastle Shooting Center in KY. I carried a 46# pack and and 18# rifle for that event and wished I had brought a lighter gun at times until it came time to shoot it. I carried it for roughly a marathon there over three days. I am shooting a Run and Gun 5k there in March and will carry a lighter gun but it won't be a 7# rifle either having shot long range in the mountains after long fast climbs. Run and guns exist all over so find one and tote either a light gun (your 257IMP) you have or a heavy gun (your 338WM; most matches allow bullets under 200gn and under 3000fps from 30 cal or under) you have and see what you think the realistic happy medium is for you to move with and shoot well under physical stress.

I hope this build pans out for you but I think you either need a smaller cartridge in that gun or a little heavier gun in your cartridge choice. It's a right tool for the job question. I don't drive rail road spikes with a small ball-peen hammer. I don't generally choose to shoot long range with bantam rifles chambered for big rounds and small optics although it can be done.

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Here's a 180 at 2850 outta a sub-8lb all-up .300 WSM.... and that includes the can. It's also about the same length as a 24" barreled Rem LA.... recoil is more than tolerable.... as is noise.... as you can see on the video...

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Retired, well your retina isn't hanging on as tight as it was in your younger days. That much recoil combined with a lot of practice just may ruin more than one dream. Knew one individual whose tore loose under recoil and then when he looked at something like a telephone pole, he saw two. He described it like this: I
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Just something to think about.

Will not print out right, so think of two parallel poles, except they didn't form a continuous line. One was lower and off to the side of the other.

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I would rather a mid grade hunting type scope with elevation turret on the NULA and with extra money get a mid priced varmint rifle with a SWFA SS on it to play at 1200 yds.

One rifle/scope for both don't cut it. Especially an ultra light 300 mag. Recoil and barrel life are but 2 of the multiple reasons why.

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Originally Posted by 2muchgun
I would rather a mid grade hunting type scope with elevation turret on the NULA and with extra money get a mid priced varmint rifle with a SWFA SS on it to play at 1200 yds.

One rifle/scope for both don't cut it. Especially an ultra light 300 mag. Recoil and barrel life are but 2 of the multiple reasons why.

JMO....


That's exactly what I was thinking.


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Originally Posted by battue
Retired, well your retina isn't hanging on as tight as it was in your younger days. That much recoil combined with a lot of practice just may ruin more than one dream. Knew one individual whose tore loose under recoil and then when he looked at something like a telephone pole, he saw two. He described it like this: I
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Just something to think about.

Will not print out right, so think of two parallel poles, except they didn't form a continuous line. One was lower and off to the side of the other.


Retina is nothing to fool with , rifle in question will increase the probability that it happens.

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I have a Swarovski Z5 3.5-18 on my NULA .270 Weatherby. at a hair less than 16 ounces, it works well on an ultralight rifle. My NULA .338 Win Mag is topped with a VX3 - 3.5-10. I would have gone with the 2.5-8, but I just happened to have the 3.5-10 sitting around.

NULA's are fabulous rifles, but in hard kickers take some practice to shoot well. I've found that when shooting off the bench or with a bipod, I have to hold on to the fore end of the rifle to keep it from throwing shots due to the way it recoils. It's like shooting a magnum revolver; grip consistency is crucial!

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When I see people on this board take down Elk at 5-600 yards with a 308 and 155 Scenars, I see no need for a 300 WM!

Thats just begging for (un)enjoyment when the scope kisses your eyebrow and blinds you with blood.


A light rifle for hunting and a heavier for shooting long range!

Or a tweener, in 8-10 lbs, in a managable caliber.
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It's always interesting when an OP specifically asks for optics opinions on a rifle he already has ordered, and he proceeds to get inundated with why he should be shooting another rifle. Let the guy enjoy what he wants....he earned it.


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