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Ok now adding Bush night and Leop to research thanks. Lot of love for the Bush never dreamed that but that's why I started this to get real users opinions.
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World class mechanical stability and precision carries a weight penalty but if you are serious about wanting to effort towards 1200 yards, it's necessary... I'd say that's your first big fork in the decision tree.


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Originally Posted by 4ager
An ultralight rifle in a relatively heavy recoiling caliber (in that light of a set-up), to "learn to shoot long range out to 1200" for elk hunting...

Yeah, here's a recipe for success... crazy


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Congratulations on completing your law enforcement career, and thanks for your service.

Other people can help you with the scope question better than I, but are you sure you want a NULA in .300 Win Mag? It would seem like a dream retirement rifle would be one you would want to enjoy shooting a lot. I have a NULA in .257 WBY, and its recoil feels more like a 7mm does in a standard weight rifle. I think a .300 Win NULA would be snappy.

Clearly recoil tolerance is personal. I had a "perfect elk rifle" built in .300 Win: McMillan, trued Rem 700, Shilen, Jewell, etc. and ended up parting it out because the .300 was just more recoil than I shot well.

Today's good bullets also mean that lots of smaller cartridges are perfectly elk capable out to 600 yards.

My apologies for causing you to doubt a decision you have already made, but it would be a shame to have a 30 year dream rifle not be something that brought you as much well-earned joy in reality as you had imagined it would.

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Even when I was much more recoil-tolerant than I am now, 300WM was my least-favorite "flavor" of recoil. Snappy and sharp and nasty. The problem is, learning to shoot at longer ranges is a high-volume affair. A NULA 300 WM is not a high-volume precision rifle for most mortals. My 7 WSM Kimber is about on the outer edge of my personal tolerance, as far as a rifle I can put 30-40 rounds downrange with in a day, and still maintain precision.... And it's kicking a lot less than a 300 WM NULA.

Maybe just scope it with a good lightweight hunting scope, and buy a cheap 6.5 CM for long-range screwing around? Just a thought. Or, buy something like a GAP Xtreme Hunter if you want an expensive, high quality rifle that is still a decent carry but has the mass to be more shootable at long ranges...



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If it were me,I would put a Leupold 6x36 on and go kill elk. The cow elk I've killed have been shot at 200 yds or less.


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I would put the heaviest scope I could possibly find on this one. smile

My first custom rifle was a .300 mag – a willowy 7.2# all-up.
One range session with that one was enough for me. I can't imagine getting proficient at longer ranges whilst getting pounded.


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Originally Posted by SKane
I would put the heaviest scope I could possibly find on this one. smile

My first custom rifle was a .300 mag – a willowy 7.2# all-up.
One range session with that one was enough for me. I can't imagine getting proficient at longer ranges whilst getting pounded.


Mine too (if a Custom KS counts) but .300 Wby Mag and it was vicious. I shot it for a half a year, never could get it to shoot good (or I couldn't shoot it well) and it moved down the road. I was 18 and all the guys that worked in the gunshop where I worked swore by them for the Tx Panhandle where we hunted. My next one was a 10# .280 Improved 40° that I shot really well and used for the next ten years. Then came the NULA .257 Wby which kicked like the heavier 7mm. It was shootable and shot really well but I should have done a .284 Win instead. Not a single one of them ever had anything over a 3.5-10x40mm at any point in time and all but the .300 Wby were killers to 500yds.

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All the [bleep] hard-won wisdom on this thread is making me want to go do something youthful and rebellious. Like re-chip my truck engine. Or date a stripper.


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I'd be looking at a dependable tracking scope with as much eye relief as you can get, in a NULA the 300WM will come back hard and fast but I hope you enjoy your new toy and your retirement!

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Originally Posted by elkhunternm
If it were me,I would put a Leupold 6x36 on and go kill elk......


Uhhh.....yeah. A 6X would be good.

Bull Elk are kinda like...pretty large.

Of course I have no desire to shoot one at 1000 yards either.




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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After reading some of the post about recoil, I think biggest, best brake you can handle will make that rifle fun to shoot at any range. I remember trading off one of my early wildcats. A .30-.378. It is now a factory cartridge and I still don't want one.


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Congrats on the fulfillment of a dream that's awesome! A NULA in .300 Mag not only sounds like a tough one to shoot well, but also one that'll be tough on scopes.

For me personally I like a lightweight scope on a lightweight rifle. Also, on a hard kicker a stout scope is a must. The best way to get both lightweight and stout construction is with a fixed power.

I also just got my dream rifle... A Kimber 84M Classic Select in .257 Rob. I put a VXII 2-7x33mm w/ LRD. This is a rifle I'll shoot out to 500 meters for steel & 350 yards for game. That is my maximum effective range with that rifle/scope combo and if I wanted to go further than those two distances I'd get a scope with dials.

If I were you I'd start out with either a Leupold FX3 6x 42mm w/ M1 target turrets, an SWFA Super Sniper 6x which has turrets, or if you're really convinced you need a variable a VX3 3.5-10x 40mm w/ M1s. Those are all tough scopes with reasonable weight.

Once I had that rigged up I'd work my butt off to become proficient out to 600 yds. I found that 600 yds is MUCH more than 2x as difficult as 300, especially if wind is present at all. That's true of medium/heavy sporters... Add in a lightweight rifle and you've got your work cut out for you. If I could feel confident out to 600 I'd consider how seriously I wanted to go further and whether that rifle/scope was the vehicle to get me there, and adjust from there.

That's my free advice; good luck with the new acquisition I hope it's all you've dreamed it would be!

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I would go with a Leupold VX1 3-9x40. Great optics and
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Originally Posted by Jeff_O
All the [bleep] hard-won wisdom on this thread is making me want to go do something youthful and rebellious.
Like re-chip my truck engine. Or date a stripper.


Or Both ;-)


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Congratulations on completing your law enforcement career, and thanks for your service.

Other people can help you with the scope question better than I, but are you sure you want a NULA in .300 Win Mag? It would seem like a dream retirement rifle would be one you would want to enjoy shooting a lot. I have a NULA in .257 WBY, and its recoil feels more like a 7mm does in a standard weight rifle. I think a .300 Win NULA would be snappy.


I would suggest you take a hard look at the above post ! I have a model 28 in 300 win mag and another one of Melvin's rifles in 280 AI...guess which one I enjoy shooting and can hit the best with ! As far as elk the 280 AI kills them just as dead as the 300 without the pain !

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Originally Posted by Jeff_O
Or, buy something like a GAP Xtreme Hunter if you want an expensive, high quality rifle that is still a decent carry but has the mass to be more shootable at long ranges...



Unless you're hunting the mountains with a backpack, I'd go this route.

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Nightforce NXS 2.5-10X42 in Nightforce mounts. A little extra weight isn't going to hurt in your situation.

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2.5-8 Leupold to keep the package nice and trim. If this wont work for your needs then nothing will. I shoot little coyotes to near 400 w a 7x on the top end Leupold.


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