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Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Yes, 8 year old thread and I still vote for pre 64 model 70 chambered in the grand ol 375 Holland and Holland. It will get the job done without any fuss at all. No worries there...


I agree with that. There's really no point in considering anything else.

If you shoot a buffalo in the chest with a .375 300 grain bullet it will run about 50 yards and die. If you shoot it anywhere else, you've got a problem no matter what you shoot it with. If it charges, you'd better break some bone. A .375 will do that. So will a .416.

As for elephant, a .375 300 grain solid at 2500 fps will penetrate both shoulders side to side of a big bull elephant. All anything else adds to that is recoil. Same for 350 grain bullets. For brain shots, it does not matter.

Often overlooked is that good shot placement is easier with lower recoil because you will flinch less.

I wonder if there is anyone who has shot a goodly sample of DG with both a .375 and a .416 and has noticed a difference. I have shot a buff, and elephant, and a hippo with a .458 and also one each with a .375. Small sample size but I could tell no difference.



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The best difference factor is comparing solids. A 375 solid for buffalo did not have the same effect as a 416 solid in my view. The 458 solid makes a good argument for being better than the other two by a measurable margin.
But the softs are so good for each that is all you need. I end up using the solids for the little stuff.
For my all around use I have settled on the 375.

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As Tony Sanchez Arino stated "When a buffalo decides to have a go at you, you can't have too much gun."

I'd go with the .416. I have one in .416 Rem Mag and using Barnes solids and Swift A-frames I have killed two buffalo and a 60lb a side elephant. The gun/cartridge performed flawlessly.

But if you have a problem with recoil, the .375 H&H might be better. Shooting the "hotter" .375 calibers is the wrong way to go IMO, if you are recoil sensitive.

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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Yes, 8 year old thread and I still vote for pre 64 model 70 chambered in the grand ol 375 Holland and Holland. It will get the job done without any fuss at all. No worries there...


I agree with that. There's really no point in considering anything else.

If you shoot a buffalo in the chest with a .375 300 grain bullet it will run about 50 yards and die. If you shoot it anywhere else, you've got a problem no matter what you shoot it with. If it charges, you'd better break some bone. A .375 will do that. So will a .416.

As for elephant, a .375 300 grain solid at 2500 fps will penetrate both shoulders side to side of a big bull elephant. All anything else adds to that is recoil. Same for 350 grain bullets. For brain shots, it does not matter.

Often overlooked is that good shot placement is easier with lower recoil because you will flinch less.

I wonder if there is anyone who has shot a goodly sample of DG with both a .375 and a .416 and has noticed a difference. I have shot a buff, and elephant, and a hippo with a .458 and also one each with a .375. Small sample size but I could tell no difference.




Good info. Thanks!!!


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I will be taking my 416 Rem M70 for buff and took and will take again my 375 H&H M70 for brown bear.


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