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Whats the difference in model 20 and a savage super sporter.. or are they the same ? And if different is one any more collectible than the other ?

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The 1920 is basically a Mauser action, with front locking lugs on the bolt and shortened to fit the Savage rimless cartridges. Overly simplified, but that's it in a nut shell.

The 40/45 is an entirely different beast. Rear locking lugs in a tubular receiver, with a detachable magazine. Not at all like a Mauser.

Most will say the 1920 was a superior design, me included. But both serve their owners well.

Both have been extinct since before WWII. You decide if they are collectible or not. With 99's, rarity and condition drive the collector's market. Ditto 1920's and 40/45's. We shooters use different guidelines, sorta.

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As gnoahh said. They are about as similar as the Remington 688 is to the 700. Each have their admirers. I like both but with the 20 rapidly falling into the realm of collectabilty find the 40/45 very interesting from the perspectives of affordablilty and shootabilty.


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Originally Posted by kdog
Whats the difference in model 20 and a savage super sporter..


Model 20-

"Oooolala!"

Model 40-

"Meh..."


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In my somewhat limited experience with both guns, the Model 20 has sleek, graceful lines which are pleasing to the eye while the lines of the Super Sporter kind of resemble a bolt action shotgun....


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Thanks .....So a super sporter is a model 40 ,,,,,,Ran into a super that is pretty clean and in a 250-3000,,,never heard of one before ,,,typically stick with the 99's


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Originally Posted by Fireball2
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Whats the difference in model 20 and a savage super sporter..


Model 20-

"Oooolala!"

Model 40-

"Meh..."


I'll take a meh anytime. As well as the ones I have had shot, why not.

Still way better than some of the newer stuff....


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Originally Posted by Fireball2
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Whats the difference in model 20 and a savage super sporter..


Model 20-

"Oooolala!"

Model 40-

"Meh..."


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Yeah, the 1920's were one of the first short action, lightweight bolt rifles. Somewhat ahead of their time. Not easily scoped, either. I have a couple of .300's. One was D&T for a sidemount, so its value is for a shooter. The other was Eurobubba'd with an octagon barrel. The first one shoots well, wish it were a .250, even with a slow twist.

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Originally Posted by tex_n_cal
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Whats the difference in model 20 and a savage super sporter..


Model 20-

"Oooolala!"

Model 40-

"Meh..."


grin

Yeah, the 1920's were one of the first short action, lightweight bolt rifles. Somewhat ahead of their time. Not easily scoped, either. I have a couple of .300's. One was D&T for a sidemount, so its value is for a shooter. The other was Eurobubba'd with an octagon barrel. The first one shoots well, wish it were a .250, even with a slow twist.


I do believe that the 20 was the first domestically produced commercial Mauser based bolt rifle. Though I have never been sure if being ahead of your time has been a smart business move. History is full of companies that folded due to being ahead of their times.


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Thanks .....So a super sporter is a model 40 ,,,,,,Ran into a super that is pretty clean and in a 250-3000,,,never heard of one before ,,,typically stick with the 99's


Super Sporters can be either a Model 40 or a Model 45. The 45 is just a deluxe grade 40, the difference being that the 45 came with checkering and a Lyman #40 peep sight.

Since Savage had a lot of success with the 19 and 23 "Sporter" series, an enlarged "Super Sporter" that could be chambered for longer cartridges seems like a logical marketing move. The 40/45 were priced lower than the 1920s and they sold more units, but you've got to wonder if the greater success was due to the 40/45s being chambered for the 2 most popular cartridges of the day, the 30-30 and 30-06.

Savage made a few long action 1920s in 256 Newton, 7x57, 30-06, and even 303 British. The origin of the 1920 was Savage's attempt to offer the U.S. and British governments optional main battle rifles during WW1. The U.S. chose the 1917 Enfield, already in production as the P-14 in 303 British and easily modified to work in 30-06. The 1920 in 303 British looks like a hybrid of the SMLE with a 1920 receiver. The 7x57 rifles were intended to be sold to Central and South American countries as a replacement for the Remington Rolling Blocks and the pre-1898 style Mausers that were widely in use.

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Originally Posted by 260Remguy





Savage made a few long action 1920s in 256 Newton, 7x57, 30-06, and even 303 British.


The origin of the 1920 was Savage's attempt to offer the U.S. and British governments optional main battle rifles during WW1. The U.S. chose the 1917 Enfield, already in production as the P-14 in 303 British and easily modified to work in 30-06. The 1920 in 303 British looks like a hybrid of the SMLE with a 1920 receiver. The 7x57 rifles were intended to be sold to Central and South American countries as a replacement for the Remington Rolling Blocks and the pre-1898 style Mausers that were widely in use.



Tell us MORE Jeff!!! Do we have examples of these lurking amongst this group!?!

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I sure would like one in 256 Newt, Joe.


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Originally Posted by JeffG
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Savage made a few long action 1920s in 256 Newton, 7x57, 30-06, and even 303 British.


The origin of the 1920 was Savage's attempt to offer the U.S. and British governments optional main battle rifles during WW1. The U.S. chose the 1917 Enfield, already in production as the P-14 in 303 British and easily modified to work in 30-06. The 1920 in 303 British looks like a hybrid of the SMLE with a 1920 receiver. The 7x57 rifles were intended to be sold to Central and South American countries as a replacement for the Remington Rolling Blocks and the pre-1898 style Mausers that were widely in use.



Tell us MORE Jeff!!! Do we have examples of these lurking amongst this group!?!


No, I've seen these rifles, but have never owned one. The late Mark Benenson offer the 256 Newton sporting rifle to me, but before we could make a deal, he sold it to a man in Texas, John Smyrl. Mr. Smyrl died and the rifle ended up in Wyoming with the well known Newton collector, Bruce Jennings. Mr. Jennings died and his daughter sold his rifle collection and I've lost track of it.

The 7x57 and 303 British rifles were rough, machine shop work, that were in the R&D collection. I believe that Peter Dowd in Massachusetts bought them at the R&D collection auction and they ended up at the Kittery Trading Post in Kittery, Maine. The 303 British rifle pops up on GB from time to time, but I don't know anyone who would want it bad enough to pay the asking prices that I've seen.

The 30-06 looked like a 1903 Springfield with a 1920 action. It was nicely finished, the sort of well polished rifle that marketing people like for samples to show potential customers.

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There were two examples up on GB for a real long time. I haven't checked, but they may still be there. I'm not interested in either and judging on the amount of time they were posted I don't think I'm busting any rules on active auctions.

PS - Just checked and both are still up for sale. One is a .303 and the other a 7x57. Bunch of good pictures and, if you have 9500 bucks, you too can be an owner. Again, I don't think I'm busting any live auction rules as they have been on GB for well over a year so nobody is racing to the finish line on either.

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Thanks! Those are an interesting bit of savage evolution...can't say I'm interested in donating that much to history though.

I have noticed those going back...a year?, or more...$9500 and missing the bolt!!

..anyone have a spare long action 1920 bolt?

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I suspect for that much scratch they will be up for sale for a long time to come!

PS - would it be violating any rules or laws to download pictures of these rifles into a sticky? They are rare firearms and very relevant to this forum.

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