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Use a 35 gal drum. Maintains the wall in unstable soils and are free! Cut both ends out with a torch
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Use a 35 gal drum. Maintains the wall in unstable soils and are free! Cut both ends out with a torch It is not the fact that 35 gallon drums are not common that should be concerning about this comment.
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Guys...Unlike most of you I have an outhouse right out in my yard and at my cabin in Noatak National Park. I have dug a number of them and in Alaska the walls often times are unstable and will slide. Soo.....35 gal oil/grease drums are easy to find in the Bush. When you live in the Bush you use what you have cause heading to Home Depot is just not an option...
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When I was in AK in the early 90s, I built an outhouse using an old plastic fish bin to line the $hite hole/pit. I knocked holes in the sides and bottom. As far as I can recall, I believe the fish bin was ~ 4'x4'x~3.5'. You should be able to find an old one for cheap.
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55 gallon drums are common; smaller ones not so much, but you already knew that. (Fuel: gas/diesel, glycol, motor oil...things that get used in high volume are often shipped that way.) Keep those angels employed, keep using that torch to open them and one day you'll get yourself a real Crackerjack surprise.
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55 gallon drums are common; smaller ones not so much, but you already knew that. (Fuel: gas/diesel, glycol, motor oil...things that get used in high volume are often shipped that way.) Keep those angels employed, keep using that torch to open them and one day you'll get yourself a real Crackerjack surprise. I remain hopeful. In fact Walt, a little added gasoline helps the barrel end come off.
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Around here they were usually lined with concrete blocks. Things are so different for you folks, I dont even know if they would be available or practical.
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Yes but in perm frost? Thats about what 44 inches. Not going to happen. 35 gal drums are out there and a lot shorter. I built a little barrel stove for my wall tent out of a 35gal and it was perfect! Pony Keg would've been even better!
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29" vs 35" (or less); as usual, you're so full of shiiiit that you really need to be using a 55 gallon hole. Seriously, it won't be much difference for those buff wrestling pipes you've got.
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29" vs 35" (or less); as usual, you're so full of shiiiit that you really need to be using a 55 gallon hole. Seriously, it won't be much difference for those buff wrestling pipes you've got. I agree and that is why a 35 works well..We have beeb using that 35 gal hole for 13 years now and guess what??? Not full yet! Digging through Perma Frost sucks. If you have never done it well lets just say...Bring your "Took"
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yep Walt you're the only one with any outdoor experience, give or take
what's so hard about digging in permafrost?
you dig a hole, hit frozen dirt, build a fire in it, roast a few marshmallows
scrape that dirt out and repeat as needed.
don't even need to bring your "Took" WTF?
you never make a bit of sense with anything you post
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Using a "took" (presumably the gussuk spelling of the Eskimo word 'tuuq') to chip away at ever-frozen clay for the digging of modern-day graves is quite common (though an electric jack hammer and Honda generator are even more common nowadays). But, while the deposition of a body in a closed hole does seem to work over time, permafrost is a big reason why people tend not to use outhouses in many parts of the state (and it's not laziness that accounts for that.) The permafrost in many parts of the state is nothing but frozen clay and muck which, when exposed, becomes a water-filled sinkhole capable of swallowing the structure build over it, or at least toppling it. Anybody who tries to tell you that they've had their 35 gallon (30 gallon most probably since 35 gallon drums are about as common as braces for hen's teeth) in use for 13 years, is either pulling your leg or has retained so much of their waste over the years that they are truly full of it. Nothing really breaks down in permafrost, nor does permafrost drain. As usual, Walt wins himself four Pinnoccios.
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I literally thought this thread was going to be about RobJordan.
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Pretty hard to know what those barrels are from that picture. They're undoubtedly leftover/left-behinds from the WW II when planes were ferried to Russia through Nome. Galena was another place which 'benefited' from plentiful old drums. In fact, any place which had a military presence of one sort or another had old oil drums. The vast majority of those were 55 gallons. (That was virtually the only size 'tundra daisy' I saw when they were still around 20-30 years ago. We are now what- 70 years removed from WW II and it's remnants. Not many of those left anymore. The vast majority of steel drums are 55 gallons these days. A 30 gallon is very uncommon unless someone has need for that much grease. Obviously the market is pretty slight in any village. AVEC, schools, etc get motor oils and glycol in 55 gallon drums. Even gasoline is rarely transported this way anymore. A used oil drum is a good snag even in 55 gallons as they get used for hauling heating fuel (since villages rarely [never] have fuel delivery). They are also pretty commonly used for day tanks. Out on the coast where permafrost is common, a person might sink an outhouse pit if they live on the beach line where the sand is deep. As I pointed out before, holes in permafrost fill with water, melt, cave in, and everything above sinks in. But if a hole 3 feet deep is so much of a challenge that you need to stick with a 30 inch deep hole, God help you in your 'rural' existence. You're going to need it.
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Like I said before in Kotz we can get them...But Kotz is a major hub for barge activity...I built a barrel stove for my wall tent back in 05? out of a 35 and shrunk it down by cutting it in 1/2 and slipping one end into the other making it short and fat-little pig...When I built mu cabin up the Noatak the first stove was a 1955 navy oil drum with the rolled edges. it was a find when I saw it floating along the edge of Kobuk Lake with who knows what in it. I flamed it off and then made a killer stove out of her, very heavy when compared to modern drums. The dang thing would blast that little cabin out and the kids upstairs cooked but when it cooled down it was cold fast...Replaced her with a Blaze Queen Princess that was taken out of one of the many HUD/BIA homes in the area...Now it is easy heating!
Ya build with what you have on hand in the bush! But you know that.
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