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I have no problem with the 06... Used one for 10 years.. Still have two and use one every now and then..
When comparing the .300's to the 06 and sighting in at 200 yards they look close.. But the 06 is higher at 100 yards to get the 200 yards zero.. Put the .300 at equal elevation, and the diff. is even greater at long range.
It may not be important to some, but it seems the really big bucks are just a bit smarter.. I like that edge..
Even with jorgeI's figures.. the .300 out classes the 06 at 400 by 10 inches. That is a lot.. If you never need it then it is unimportant.. I don't always hunt in areas that range is needed, but when I do, it is nice to have that edge.. This is precisely why I'm taking a 300 on my first elk hunt. Love my 06's but I need an edge!  All things being equal, you all are right...but put a bullet with a decent B/C in either chamber and the margin tightens, at least within sane ranges. Nothing at all wrong with the 300 Wby...it's a killer no doubt but after killing elk with my 6mm Rem, .25-06 and 6.5x284, I really don't want to put up with the heavy recoil of my 340 Wby and 300 Win anymore. I am taking my 300 H&H this year though, just because. Thinking about the H&H myself !
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I have no problem with the 06... Used one for 10 years.. Still have two and use one every now and then..
When comparing the .300's to the 06 and sighting in at 200 yards they look close.. But the 06 is higher at 100 yards to get the 200 yards zero.. Put the .300 at equal elevation, and the diff. is even greater at long range.
It may not be important to some, but it seems the really big bucks are just a bit smarter.. I like that edge..
Even with jorgeI's figures.. the .300 out classes the 06 at 400 by 10 inches. That is a lot.. If you never need it then it is unimportant.. I don't always hunt in areas that range is needed, but when I do, it is nice to have that edge.. This is precisely why I'm taking a 300 on my first elk hunt. Love my 06's but I need an edge! All things being equal, you all are right...but put a bullet with a decent B/C in either chamber and the margin tightens, at least within sane ranges. Nothing at all wrong with the 300 Wby...it's a killer no doubt but after killing elk with my 6mm Rem, .25-06 and 6.5x284, I really don't want to put up with the heavy recoil of my 340 Wby and 300 Win anymore. I am taking my 300 H&H this year though, just because. Thinking about the H&H myself ! Old son did bust a nice 6x6 with his old Eddystone in 300 H&H last October. Big bodied bastid too!!!
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In nearly 50 years of hunting elk, I can only think of a couple times when a 400 yd shot couldn't be cut to 300 or less with a bit of stalking.
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jorgeI - THis is your data but a little easier to read. Hope you don't mind. About the ONLY reason to choose a 300 over an 06' for elk and it's a pretty slim one at that, although I must say I have noticed a difference on elk-sized game (specifically kudu) between the two:
3006:
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (in) (MOA) (in) (MOA) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 2705.5 2.423 2925.1 0.000 0.0 ***
100 1.9 1.9 0.6 0.6 2543.4 2.278 2585.0 0.114 20.1 19.2
200 -0.0 -0.0 2.5 1.2 2386.9 2.138 2276.8 0.236 41.6 19.8
300 -8.0 -2.6 5.9 1.9 2236.0 2.003 1998.0 0.366 64.4 20.5
400 -23.1 -5.5 10.8 2.6 2090.5 1.872 1746.4 0.505 88.8 21.2
300 Weatherby:
200 -0.0 -0.0 2.0 1.0 2850.3 2.553 3246.5 0.199 34.9 16.7
300 -5.4 -1.7 4.6 1.5 2682.8 2.403 2876.2 0.307 54.0 17.2
400 -15.7 -3.7 8.5 2.0 2521.5 2.258 2540.7 0.422 74.3 17.7
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Rock Chuck, you comment on cutting the range is valid,sometimes.. But for about 15 years I hunted a steep mountain after work.. I could drive up to my spot glass the mountain, and wait for the elk. Sometimes they came out once a season, sometimes a couple times.. But all the years I hunted it, they did show at least once. The shot always came as the sun dropped behind the mountain.. Time was short.. I had a big rock and couple small trees as kind of a bench rest.. Getting to this spot was easy, but any farther, put the elk out of sight, or put me in their line of sight.. As near as I can tell the elk were around 400 yards, always standing feeding.. After a couple kills I found if I put the crosshairs on the top of the shoulder, I would hit the vitals.. It worked on about 15 elk.. stalking is sometimes a good answer, other times impossible.. In those days elk meat was important to a balanced budget.. Today, not so much.. I would not bother with them at all, but my wife and the kids like elk venison..
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A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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I am taking my 300 H&H this year though, just because. Thinking about the H&H myself ! Taking my .300 H&H this year. I like to think of it as a .30-06 improved but without that silly sharp shoulder. 
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I think the OP's buddy was probably using the 55gr. accelerator... 
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I used a 270 on elk for years with excellent results, then switched to a 300 WSM for another 10 or 12 years. However, when I added it up, I'd never shot one with either rifle that couldn't have been taken equally well with a 30-06. So, I switched to a 30-06 last year. I've only shot 1 deer with it so far but it's a pound lighter than the 300 WSM and that counts for a lot. I started out with a 30-06 when I was 12, used it for a long time, tried many other cartridges including the 300 WM, 300 WBY, and 300 WSM. Didn't notice much of a difference between any of them, so I also went full circle and am back to the good ol tried and true 30-06. If I want to step up in power during an elk hunt, I pull out the 338 win mag. I have seen that cartridge stop them a tad better than the good ol 06, but the difference is only marginal...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I am taking my 300 H&H this year though, just because. Thinking about the H&H myself ! Taking my .300 H&H this year. I like to think of it as a .30-06 improved but without that silly sharp shoulder. The H&H is THE elk cartridge! 
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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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.375 H&H no good for elk. Proof positive: ![[Linked Image]](http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t292/inmanta/DSCN0306.jpg)
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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Quote by a friend once that has hunted elk frequently. His go to rifle is a 7 mag. He's not a long range guy, so he's not shooting the 7 mag for 700 yard shots. Not sure what his hunting partner was using in 30-06 that didn't impress him, but got me to wondering what frequent elk hunters think about a 30-06 and what would "impress" you?
Hmmm, what impresses me is people that kill 4-5 elks or claim frenquently hunted elk and then claim wealth of elk hunting knowledge. I have put miles on my feet every season for the past 29 years chasing elk in the thick, open steep, thick steep, and sometimes open kinda flat, did I mention steep? I know a few things and areas well but I am schooled every year in elk season. Ether due to Duh, you knew better dufus or Oh,I see now I have a limited elk cartridge usage, my .280 rem which I have killed the most elk with Was tied with my 338 win till I got tired of packing the extra weight of a heavier rifle. About five years ago I blended the calibers with a trim M-77 in the 7MM rem mag, a wonderful thing. The things I did notice was if I hit an elk high in the lungs, regardless of caliber, seldom was there a blood trail. But always a dead elk within 50-ish give/take yards. Then with a lower hit say heart/lung hit or mid-brisket head-on the ol' 338 did seem to make a blood trail sooner before walking up on the dead elk, if it managed to move. I have a slew of uncles, cousins, friends that use the 06' and claim the same findings I have. Some of which many more miles and years and elk under there belt than me.
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Guy in camp went from 06 to 300 RUM last year.
Opening morning missed elk walking 50 yards broad side.
All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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Guy in camp went from 06 to 300 RUM last year.
Opening morning missed elk walking 50 yards broad side.
Proving was exactly? I would say the guy can't shoot.....anything. I don't believe in this "A guy can't shoot a 300 but he can shoot a light 30/06" stuff. Not for anyone who does any degree of practice shooting that is.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Bob, you obviously knew where I was going with it and yes I believe too much gun 'might' have been the problem.
Also I doubt the elk could tell if he got shot by 180 Gr. going 2700 or 3200 fps
All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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Dre I hear you...I just get tired of the "no one can shoot magnums" stuff on here. So I sympathize with the 300 hunters who get indirectly maligned, and constantly reminded how poorly they shoot.  Personally I have not used one in years.This does not mean I can't..... Good to remember that bullets slow down. Much as I like the 30/06, a couple decades of killing animals with 300 magnums remind me they hold an undeniable edge at distance.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Interesting that the OP's friend uses a 7 mm mag, while disparaging the 06. Every elk hunt I've ever been on...every one, I've heard stories about what a sorry round the 7mm mag is. It's getting to be a funny little game for me to wait and see how long it takes to hear someone bash the round. I usually don't have to wait long.
I'm sure either round would perform just fine for elk, even though I've never used either...unless the shooter suffers from excessive operator headspace.
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Interesting that the OP's friend uses a 7 mm mag, while disparaging the 06. Every elk hunt I've ever been on...every one, I've heard stories about what a sorry round the 7mm mag is. It's getting to be a funny little game for me to wait and see how long it takes to hear someone bash the round. I usually don't have to wait long.
I'm sure either round would perform just fine for elk, even though I've never used either...unless the shooter suffers from excessive operator headspace. I've heard it too and it's mostly horshidt. Invariably the perp has limited experience with anything,has seen bad shooting and/or lousy bullets used, or both. Or you get the..."I've met a lot of 7 mag users who were lousy shots and hunters, or were city slickers or ego maniacs, so I hate the 7 rem mag".......   Now that's what I call real experience...... 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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