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I have a Kimber 84l classic 06 that is my main hunting rifle, meaning it gets carried a lot around the mountains, I've noticed that the oil finish and sheen on the stock has largely worn off in the last few years and i would like to find a stock treatment that will restore the sheen and impart a little more water resistance without removing the darkening of the wood that shows the character and time I have enjoyed with the rifle.
It has a very nicely figured stock for a classic so i would prefer something that will not detract from that or something that may enhance it. to be clear I'm not looking for a high gloss treatment ala 700bdl, just a nice matte sheen like these rifles typically have factory ala kimber/cooper.
so what do the experts think? wax, oil? both? methods?
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I would have to see it to actually give a recommendation. And I am no expert. I have used a number of things including boiled linseed oil, tung oil, Howards Feed n Wax, Birchwood Casey Stock Sheen, and lemon oil, depending on the situation. Try a sample on a different piece of wood and compare.
After dry you can use a paste wax like Minwax or Birchwood Casey or Ren Wax.....
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Kimber will tell you all they use is boiled linseed oil. Not true though as they have a varnish component. I suspect they use a linseed oil based "finish" which really means varnish. I use a mix of BLO and shellac ragged on thin to match Kimbers finish. BLO and shellac is the definition of a varnish but looks like oil. Using this technique one cannot tell it from a factory NY Kimber finish.
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Kimber will tell you all they use is boiled linseed oil. Not true though as they have a varnish component. I suspect they use a linseed oil based "finish" which really means varnish. I use a mix of BLO and shellac ragged on thin to match Kimbers finish. BLO and shellac is the definition of a varnish but looks like oil. Using this technique one cannot tell it from a factory NY Kimber finish. Some should stick to asking for advice, not giving it! Virtually nothing you said is correct! Kimber will NOT tell you they use nothing but BLO. They will tell you it is a "hand-rubbed oil" finish. Big difference!!! Shellac and BLO is a horrible choice in a hunting rifle for a ton of reasons. A "linseed oil based finish" does NOT mean a varnish. BLO and shellac is NOT the definition of "varnish." You will easily be able to tell your finish from the factory finish the first time it rains. Wow!
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I have a Kimber 84l classic 06 that is my main hunting rifle, meaning it gets carried a lot around the mountains, I've noticed that the oil finish and sheen on the stock has largely worn off in the last few years and i would like to find a stock treatment that will restore the sheen and impart a little more water resistance without removing the darkening of the wood that shows the character and time I have enjoyed with the rifle.
It has a very nicely figured stock for a classic so i would prefer something that will not detract from that or something that may enhance it. to be clear I'm not looking for a high gloss treatment ala 700bdl, just a nice matte sheen like these rifles typically have factory ala kimber/cooper.
so what do the experts think? wax, oil? both? methods? A good coat of hard wax (NEVER use car wax!) should do everything you ask for the looks and improve water resistance significantly. Bri-Wax is my favorite in the original formula. Car waxes contain silicone which will mess with any repairs or touch-ups you try to do later.
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How does the Danish oil hold up to moisture from rain or sweat in the summer months? I read it as being an indoor product.
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Kimber will tell you all they use is boiled linseed oil. Not true though as they have a varnish component. I suspect they use a linseed oil based "finish" which really means varnish. I use a mix of BLO and shellac ragged on thin to match Kimbers finish. BLO and shellac is the definition of a varnish but looks like oil. Using this technique one cannot tell it from a factory NY Kimber finish. Some should stick to asking for advice, not giving it! Virtually nothing you said is correct! Kimber will NOT tell you they use nothing but BLO. They will tell you it is a "hand-rubbed oil" finish. Big difference!!! Shellac and BLO is a horrible choice in a hunting rifle for a ton of reasons. A "linseed oil based finish" does NOT mean a varnish. BLO and shellac is NOT the definition of "varnish." You will easily be able to tell your finish from the factory finish the first time it rains. Wow! Schitka you sir are wrong but that's never stopped you from posting before. Oil + shellac is what most early varnishes were made of. Kimber customer service absolutely told me all they use is boiled linseed oil. Not my opinion but fact. Call them and ask. You are correct BLO and Shellac mixture isn't the most waterproof finish. I believe it to be very similar to what Kimber uses. The factory Kimber finish is not very durable either. The finish I use is an easy maintenance coat and keeps them looking new. You are free to use whatever high tech finish you like. BLO/Shellac rubbed until tacky is a classic rubbed finish which is also used on all Bark River knife handles unless an oily exotic wood is used in which case it is simply buffed with wax. I've used BLO/Shellac on axe and hatchet handles for years and it holds up reasonably well.
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How does the Danish oil hold up to moisture from rain or sweat in the summer months? I read it as being an indoor product. I really don't know. I've never hunted with it in bad weather. My stainless/synthetic rifles get that duty.
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Kimber will tell you all they use is boiled linseed oil. Not true though as they have a varnish component. I suspect they use a linseed oil based "finish" which really means varnish. I use a mix of BLO and shellac ragged on thin to match Kimbers finish. BLO and shellac is the definition of a varnish but looks like oil. Using this technique one cannot tell it from a factory NY Kimber finish. Some should stick to asking for advice, not giving it! Virtually nothing you said is correct! Kimber will NOT tell you they use nothing but BLO. They will tell you it is a "hand-rubbed oil" finish. Big difference!!! Shellac and BLO is a horrible choice in a hunting rifle for a ton of reasons. A "linseed oil based finish" does NOT mean a varnish. BLO and shellac is NOT the definition of "varnish." You will easily be able to tell your finish from the factory finish the first time it rains. Wow! Schitka you sir are wrong but that's never stopped you from posting before. Oil + shellac is what most early varnishes were made of. Kimber customer service absolutely told me all they use is boiled linseed oil. Not my opinion but fact. Call them and ask. You are correct BLO and Shellac mixture isn't the most waterproof finish. I believe it to be very similar to what Kimber uses. The factory Kimber finish is not very durable either. The finish I use is an easy maintenance coat and keeps them looking new. You are free to use whatever high tech finish you like. BLO/Shellac rubbed until tacky is a classic rubbed finish which is also used on all Bark River knife handles unless an oily exotic wood is used in which case it is simply buffed with wax. I've used BLO/Shellac on axe and hatchet handles for years and it holds up reasonably well. Google is your friend... check a few of your "facts" and get back to me... I took the time to talk to Kimber some time ago. You might want to fact check yourself there first. Anyone questioning any aspect of my comments is free to ask for links to prove any points... BLO/shellac is a horrible finish for anything of value with wear or water resistance required. Especially because it is sticky.
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How does the Danish oil hold up to moisture from rain or sweat in the summer months? I read it as being an indoor product. It is not very good in moderate rain.
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Schitka you sir are wrong but that's never stopped you from posting before. Incorrect
Oil + shellac is what most early varnishes were made of. Kimber customer service absolutely told me all they use is boiled linseed oil. Not my opinion but fact. Call them and ask. Incorrect Oil and various resins are varnishes. Lac is one of them... check up on the difference. They do not use nor recommend BLO, it wouold be absolutely stupid to use it!
You are correct BLO and Shellac mixture isn't the most waterproof finish. I believe it to be very similar to what Kimber uses. The factory Kimber finish is not very durable either. The finish I use is an easy maintenance coat and keeps them looking new. You are free to use whatever high tech finish you like. Incorrect I doubt you have the first clue what BLO is and why it is useless in quality finishes. Your finish will spot white in the slightest rain.
BLO/Shellac rubbed until tacky is a classic rubbed finish which is also used on all Bark River knife handles unless an oily exotic wood is used in which case it is simply buffed with wax. Incorrect on classic rubbed finish...
I've used BLO/Shellac on axe and hatchet handles for years and it holds up reasonably well. Incorrect, laughing!
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My stuff has had plenty of rain and no spots. And yes varnishes can be formulated in various ways but doesn't change the fact that BLO and shellac is indeed a form of varnish.
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You're comparing oil-based and alcohol-based materials when you compare BLO and shellac, generally incompatible materials.
Alcohol and water play together much better than oil and water. Therein is a clue to durability traits.
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You're comparing oil-based and alcohol-based materials when you compare BLO and shellac, generally incompatible materials.
Alcohol and water play together much better than oil and water. Therein is a clue to durability traits. Agree it's not the most durable finish. The two components are very compatible though and mix easily.
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You're comparing oil-based and alcohol-based materials when you compare BLO and shellac, generally incompatible materials.
Alcohol and water play together much better than oil and water. Therein is a clue to durability traits. Agree it's not the most durable finish. The two components are very compatible though and mix easily. If the only tool you have is a hammer the whole world looks like a nail... There are literally millions of ways to finish wood. Choosing one of the oldest and worst and mixing it in a difficult way to use with another outdated and poor choice and advocating its use in a place where it will make a difference is funny in a sad way... You need to look at new tools...
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My stuff has had plenty of rain and no spots. And yes varnishes can be formulated in various ways but doesn't change the fact that BLO and shellac is indeed a form of varnish.
You said it was the definition of varnish and weaseling it to "a form of varnish" might work unless you know it really is not even a form of varnish... keep digging that hole...
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My stuff has had plenty of rain and no spots. And yes varnishes can be formulated in various ways but doesn't change the fact that BLO and shellac is indeed a form of varnish.
You said it was the definition of varnish and weaseling it to "a form of varnish" might work unless you know it really is not even a form of varnish... keep digging that hole... No weasel in here. Never said it was the only varnish known to man. It is an early form of varnish. If you don't like it I'm not loosing sleep over it. You hard chargers from the north crack me up. Nothing better to do than constantly pick fights here.
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My stuff has had plenty of rain and no spots. And yes varnishes can be formulated in various ways but doesn't change the fact that BLO and shellac is indeed a form of varnish.
You said it was the definition of varnish and weaseling it to "a form of varnish" might work unless you know it really is not even a form of varnish... keep digging that hole... No weasel in here. Never said it was the only varnish known to man. It is an early form of varnish. If you don't like it I'm not loosing sleep over it. You hard chargers from the north crack me up. Nothing better to do than constantly pick fights here. It must hurt being so dense and trying to weasel out of stupid statements... Your words by cut and paste: "BLO and shellac is the definition of a varnish but looks like oil." Your words incorrectly state varnish is by definition BLO and shellac. For example, had you said BLO and Shellac is a varnish by definition you would still be wrong. But you said essentially all varnishes are BLO and shellac. You clearly do not understand English or finish chemistry or technology and still want to argue. I am done with you.
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