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I have a couple pounds of R26, and a fussy .300 Wby, so may be time to try it smile


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Anyone tried RL23 for similar applications?

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer


I tried 26 with some other 150-grain bullets this morning. 61 grains with Partitions is a little warm, judging from the muzzle velocity of close to 3100 fps, so I'm going to back it down to 60, but it was about right with 150-grain Long Range AccuBond.


That's pretty righteously impressive.

I've used MRP/RL-22 forever in my 270's with 150 Partitions forever, & those go 2900-2950'ish from 22" barrels so that's a genuine improvement.

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Hey Rin - 61.0 with a WLR seated 0.020" off. Gets ~ 2950 and a shade over 1 MOA with 5 shots at 100.

I just looked at my Re26 targets again. They are 1.2" and 2997 for 3 shots and 61.0 in a 24" brl. I'll probably try 61.5 and 62.0 to see what happens to my group. I ran the numbers today on that load and a 7RM with 160 at 3000. There ain't enough difference between them to say anything. They are same-same. Plus my 270 doesn't recoil like any of my 7 mags. It may be going elk hunting this fall........


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Hi John,

Looking forward to your NPT results. Two questions:

1. How far off lands and grooves will/are you running the 150 NPT?

2. Thoughts on using the CCI 200 for cold weather use? Ive always develped my loads with WLR primers especially when I'm torching 55-60 grains powder. I'm curious on your thoughts on the subject.

Thanks.


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Unfortunately my order from Brownells RE26 emptied their inventory. (4lb)

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Originally Posted by bwinters
Hi John,

Looking forward to your NPT results. Two questions:

1. How far off lands and grooves will/are you running the 150 NPT?

2. Thoughts on using the CCI 200 for cold weather use? Ive always develped my loads with WLR primers especially when I'm torching 55-60 grains powder. I'm curious on your thoughts on the subject.

Thanks.


FWIW, the Alliant data uses F210s.


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Originally Posted by bwinters
Hi John,

Looking forward to your NPT results. Two questions:

1. How far off lands and grooves will/are you running the 150 NPT?

2. Thoughts on using the CCI 200 for cold weather use? Ive always develped my loads with WLR primers especially when I'm torching 55-60 grains powder. I'm curious on your thoughts on the subject.

Thanks.

Not John, but this is my take on your questions:

1. .020"

2. NO problems with CCI 200's in cold weather ever.


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As soon as I find some here I got to give RL 26 a try, with those kind of results are too good not too and I like the 150's and 160's anyway. Looks like they have a winner with that powder.


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I saw that as well. My 'non-hot' loads use Fed 210. I've found the WLR tends to give me better groups than Fed 210 in 06 based cases - but I do like to know what others are finding. Although I've been handloading for close to 40 years, I've learned more here on the Fire over the past 10 years than the previous 30 trying to figure it out on my own. I ask rather mundane questions at times because the collective experience is better than my single data point. I'd rather ask than wonder.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
chamois,

... and just happens to work really well with 150's in the .270. But a look at the other published data for RL-26 doesn't show any startling velocity increases in other applications, except perhaps the .243 Winchester with 100+ grain bullets.



It seems like it is one of those magic combinations that sometimes just happen.

The reason for asking is that I have had very good accuracy with Sp12 and the loads published in your book for 130gr and 140gr bullets, but the speed was not there. I now want to develop a load for the 150gr ABLR for a future hunt and had to decide whether to start working with Sp12 or try to lay my hands on some R26, if I find it!

Thank you very much!

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I've sworn off thr WLRs for now. No doubt they've fixed the problem with them, but it's likely that there are still a bunch out there that may have issues, especially since they have not, so far as I know, issued a formal recall to get them off the shelves. Seems short-sighted to me, but it's their business.

Something interesting to me in the data was that the top load for Sierra 150 GKBTs was lower that for both NPs and Speer GSs which should have longer bearing surfaces. Hard alloy in the GKs?

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What is your issue with WLR?


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RL26 has been really good for me in the 270 WSM, 7 WSM, 338 Win with 225 PTs, 35 Newton with 250 PTs, 243 Win with the 90 AB, 25-06 with the 100 ET and the 7mm MSM and 150 ET.

Great speeds across the board. What I've noticed though is that like a few other slow burning powders it doesn't strut its stuff till I hit the upper loads. It was really apparent with the 338 and 35 Newton but man, once it gets there it has been really decent.


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What is your issue with WLR?


You must have missed the "Great Pitted Bolt Face Scandal" raging here not long ago. Defective primer cups allowed gas to escape at the corners of the cups and erode little holes in rifles' bolt faces. Winchester/Olin replaced some primers, reimbursed customers for others, and paid for repairs. Long, dull, story. Search back a bit if you want to know more; it's pretty complicated.


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Thanks. I've been using them a long time -- cheap and work ok. I have not had that issue. I'll be looking for it.
I buy most brands of primers, BTW. Just was unaware of the WLR issue. Thanks again.

I pitted the first rifle I had with 'experimental' loads. Using Win 760 with Win 760BR load data and the like. Totally my issue not the primers. blush


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chamois,

What is Sp12?


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Mule Deer,

SNPE Vectan Sp12 is the same powder as Ramshot Magnum but in a different package.

Both are made by the same manufacturer, PB Clermont from Belgium, who markets it itself under the PCL 517 label.

In Europe it is easily found over the counter, while the Ramshot line is very seldom seen.

Other analogies are:

Big Game = Sp11 = PCL 511
TAC = Sp7
Hunter = = PCL 518

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Thanks for the info. I knew it sounded familiar, but couldn't quite place the powder!


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Score! Got me a jug, along with a box of the 150gr Hornadys.

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