"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered." ― George Orwell, 1984
I've seen some independent tests on youtube that show some pretty impressive penetration. I figure it's got to be better than ball ammo as it has a meplat and I don't know if the grooves are there for terminal performance or marketing.
I asked on another thread, the 9/147 grain bear killing one. If Phill had tested these bullets against the 147 grain hard cast. No answer yet.
One of these days I'm going to do a comparative penetration test of various weight and nose style of cast bullets in the 38 sp, 9mm, 357 mag, 45 acp, 45 colt and 480 Ruger. I may include some mono metal bullets as well. Trouble is my reloading bench is buried in the garage and I'm way behind on finishing the basement and need to put my boat in the garage this winter for some repairs and upgrades.
Looks like these would go through most people and into people behind them especially in more powerful calibers
The defender round penetrates less and creates more disruption in gel but I wonder how this transfers to real tissue?
Probably be a good ammo for pistol hunting
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered." ― George Orwell, 1984
There's a lot of rounds marketed to police that are all hype. They also continue to shoot hollow points, when there is no assurances at all that the bullet will expand.
I've got all my handguns loaded with the Lehigh rounds. They shoot well out of my Glocks and my Para Ordnance Executive Carry.
I believe one test was published on the penetrating rounds. I don't remember the caliber. It penetrated wet newspaper (I don't know how much), 4 gallon jugs filled with water and knocked a chunk out of a concrete wall that finally stopped it.
I asked on another thread, the 9/147 grain bear killing one. If Phill had tested these bullets against the 147 grain hard cast. No answer yet.
One of these days I'm going to do a comparative penetration test of various weight and nose style of cast bullets in the 38 sp, 9mm, 357 mag, 45 acp, 45 colt and 480 Ruger. I may include some mono metal bullets as well. Trouble is my reloading bench is buried in the garage and I'm way behind on finishing the basement and need to put my boat in the garage this winter for some repairs and upgrades.
if you just put this in the location part of your profile, we'd already know you're in Conundrum Alaska
it's the exact same spot we're all in
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
Yep, I'm carrying the 140 grain X-Treme Penetrators in my Glock 40 and my Glock 20 and the 200 grain .45 X-Treme Penetrators in my Para Ordnance Executive Carry (3.2" barrel).
Yep, I'm carrying the 140 grain X-Treme Penetrators in my Glock 40 and my Glock 20 and the 200 grain .45 X-Treme Penetrators in my Para Ordnance Executive Carry (3.2" barrel).
Why do you need that much penetration? Aren't you concerned about passing through without much velocity loss? If you're in grizzly country, and all you have is a .40 or .45, I guess I could see it, but not in an ordinary self-defense carry situation.
My guess is this is mostly the case TLee, I carry 140 gr Barnes hp's at 1250 fps and 200 gr nosler hp's at 1025 fps in my 40 cal, call me crazy, or believe or or not, the 200 gr Nosler hp's out penetrated the 140 Barnes copper hollow points in my testing here at the house.
The old Nosler is nothing special, but, it shoots more accurately and tames the snap of the forty cal recoil, it now shoots [feels] like a 45 ACP upon firing.
In a caliber where it's typically penetration OR expansion like a 380 or less, maybe these would be interesting to try, problem is I can buy 50 gold dots for 24$ and 20 of these cost 30$....👎 I have no doubt they would dig deeper vs. the GD but I'm not even sure the design on these things would inflict more damage in anything other than ballistic gelatin
It would cost quite a bit just to make sure they feed reliably
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"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered." ― George Orwell, 1984
Do you know this from experience, or just guessing?
I thought "hype" at first too, but bought some to find out. They are legit, not hype. I don't like that they use "Extreme" to describe all their products, but otherwise they do live up to expectations.
In my case, it's the 90gr Defender in a 9mm +P+ load at 1525 fps from a G19; they really do work. Penetration through both soft and hard stuff is equal or better than any JHP I've tested (most of them) over the years, and they do plenty of damage.
The damage, in test media at least, does not seem as large as the initial wound channel with conventional hollow points in my experience, but is carried a lot deeper. They also retain their effectiveness when fired through sheet metal and aluminum plate. This round penetrates 1/4" 6061 aluminum plate easily, while 9mm FMJ and a number of commercial defense loads do not.
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