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Robert has a guy who does his machining and programming and is supposed to be very good...........all the shop needs now is a chef a secretary and a phone that works! More than 37 years? After all - someone here is one of the best with that experience and he wouldn't do it...
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I’ve been toying with the idea of selling a 2-year-old Gradous-built .280AI for a couple of months so I did a search to determine what other Gradous rifles might be for sale, and doing so I discovered this thread.
I feel like I need to share some of what I know. Robert does not need me to defend him – so I won’t. I will limit my comments to my experiences having him build 2 rifles for me, both of which shoot lights out. I had the good fortune of being in his shop at the time he built my rifles. While I did not actually help, I stood alongside and watched him and he explained to me every step in the process and why he did what he was doing and the benefit of taking the extra steps. I learned more about accurate riles and precision shooting in my short time with him in all the years previous. I found him to be one of the most genuine, polite, respectful, and kind gentlemen I’ve ever had the privilege of meeting. The man has forgot more about precision and what it takes to build an accurate rifle than the collective wisdom in this thread. Over the two separate weekends that I spent at his shop, more than a few gunsmiths called for his advice. These were men who are quite well thought of in the business of gun building.
Wait times and good communication are one side of the business, no question about that. The other side is highly accurate and well-built rifles. Robert Gradous has nothing to prove to anyone in that aspect. For my money, when it comes to really accurate, well-built rifles, talk is over-rated
Yawn. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to build an accurate rifle. Lots of guys that nobody here have ever heard of can build same. It is unethical to accept work that you have no intention of beginning for years. It is unethical to accept payment for work that you have no intention of beginning for years. It is unethical to refuse to return calls/rifles & parts/money for work that you haven't started after you have ignored the customer for years. It is unethical to accept work based on you performing the build, hold customers gun/parts/money for years then tell everybody its all good now - you've got a new shop w/ CNC equipment and gunsmiths you never agreed to will be performing the build (theoretically) on your rifle. Highly unscrupulous business practices. He'll never get any business from me. David Have you had him build a rifle? Have you ever spoken with the man? Accurate is one thing. Gradous accurate is another. Ever heard of law of diminishing returns? It requires a lot of additional attention to detail to gain the last nth degree of performance. If you have a field gun that can agg .250" then you understand but I bet a ham sandwich you don't.
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I’ve been toying with the idea of selling a 2-year-old Gradous-built .280AI for a couple of months so I did a search to determine what other Gradous rifles might be for sale, and doing so I discovered this thread.
I feel like I need to share some of what I know. Robert does not need me to defend him – so I won’t. I will limit my comments to my experiences having him build 2 rifles for me, both of which shoot lights out. I had the good fortune of being in his shop at the time he built my rifles. While I did not actually help, I stood alongside and watched him and he explained to me every step in the process and why he did what he was doing and the benefit of taking the extra steps. I learned more about accurate riles and precision shooting in my short time with him in all the years previous. I found him to be one of the most genuine, polite, respectful, and kind gentlemen I’ve ever had the privilege of meeting. The man has forgot more about precision and what it takes to build an accurate rifle than the collective wisdom in this thread. Over the two separate weekends that I spent at his shop, more than a few gunsmiths called for his advice. These were men who are quite well thought of in the business of gun building.
Wait times and good communication are one side of the business, no question about that. The other side is highly accurate and well-built rifles. Robert Gradous has nothing to prove to anyone in that aspect. For my money, when it comes to really accurate, well-built rifles, talk is over-rated
Yawn. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to build an accurate rifle. Lots of guys that nobody here have ever heard of can build same. It is unethical to accept work that you have no intention of beginning for years. It is unethical to accept payment for work that you have no intention of beginning for years. It is unethical to refuse to return calls/rifles & parts/money for work that you haven't started after you have ignored the customer for years. It is unethical to accept work based on you performing the build, hold customers gun/parts/money for years then tell everybody its all good now - you've got a new shop w/ CNC equipment and gunsmiths you never agreed to will be performing the build (theoretically) on your rifle. Highly unscrupulous business practices. He'll never get any business from me. David Have you had him build a rifle? Have you ever spoken with the man? Accurate is one thing. Gradous accurate is another. Ever heard of law of diminishing returns? It requires a lot of additional attention to detail to gain the last nth degree of performance. If you have a field gun that can agg .250" then you understand but I bet a ham sandwich you don't. Apparently your reading comprehension isn't very good. Refer to my post you quoted. David
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Robert has a guy who does his machining and programming and is supposed to be very good...........all the shop needs now is a chef a secretary and a phone that works! More than 37 years? After all - someone here is one of the best with that experience and he wouldn't do it... Don't know his exact credentials but he's a retired machines and Iv'e heard he is very good....as in many years experience!
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I’ve been toying with the idea of selling a 2-year-old Gradous-built .280AI for a couple of months so I did a search to determine what other Gradous rifles might be for sale, and doing so I discovered this thread.
I feel like I need to share some of what I know. Robert does not need me to defend him – so I won’t. I will limit my comments to my experiences having him build 2 rifles for me, both of which shoot lights out. I had the good fortune of being in his shop at the time he built my rifles. While I did not actually help, I stood alongside and watched him and he explained to me every step in the process and why he did what he was doing and the benefit of taking the extra steps. I learned more about accurate riles and precision shooting in my short time with him in all the years previous. I found him to be one of the most genuine, polite, respectful, and kind gentlemen I’ve ever had the privilege of meeting. The man has forgot more about precision and what it takes to build an accurate rifle than the collective wisdom in this thread. Over the two separate weekends that I spent at his shop, more than a few gunsmiths called for his advice. These were men who are quite well thought of in the business of gun building.
Wait times and good communication are one side of the business, no question about that. The other side is highly accurate and well-built rifles. Robert Gradous has nothing to prove to anyone in that aspect. For my money, when it comes to really accurate, well-built rifles, talk is over-rated
Yawn. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to build an accurate rifle. Lots of guys that nobody here have ever heard of can build same. It is unethical to accept work that you have no intention of beginning for years. It is unethical to accept payment for work that you have no intention of beginning for years. It is unethical to refuse to return calls/rifles & parts/money for work that you haven't started after you have ignored the customer for years. It is unethical to accept work based on you performing the build, hold customers gun/parts/money for years then tell everybody its all good now - you've got a new shop w/ CNC equipment and gunsmiths you never agreed to will be performing the build (theoretically) on your rifle. Highly unscrupulous business practices. He'll never get any business from me. David Have you had him build a rifle? Have you ever spoken with the man? Accurate is one thing. Gradous accurate is another. Ever heard of law of diminishing returns? It requires a lot of additional attention to detail to gain the last nth degree of performance. If you have a field gun that can agg .250" then you understand but I bet a ham sandwich you don't. Apparently your reading comprehension isn't very good. Refer to my post you quoted. David Apparently your understanding of sarcasm and irony ranks right up there with your understanding of top shelf gun builders. I can promise you he doesn't need nor want your business.
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Makes me think of the film animal house. " blow job"
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Apparently your understanding of sarcasm and irony ranks right up there with your understanding of top shelf gun builders. I can promise you he doesn't need nor want your business.
Judging by your response I've got a much better handle on sarcasm and irony than you do. 1 would bet a whole lot more than a ham sandwich that you don't have a 1/4MOA hunting rifle built by Robert or anyone else you idiot. Prove me wrong. David
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I am still and always will be a fan of Robert and his rifles. They are incredible...
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Not me, I had few Gradous rifles and sold'em. I'd buy a Marlin XL7 bolt rifle....even one used in .270 before hiring him & his crew to build one.
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Sitting on customers' cash and rifle parts for years and not returning their calls has zero to do with gunsmithing skills.
The most accurate rifle in the world doesn't amount to much if it's not delivered.
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Sitting on customers' cash and rifle parts for years and not returning their calls has zero to do with gunsmithing skills.
The most accurate rifle in the world doesn't amount to much if it's not delivered. ^ NAILED IT!! ^
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All I can say is had you met the guy you would know weird on a whole new level. I spent a weekend there. He can spot a stop sign 2 miles away, and your gonna hear about that sign until your stopped at it. He needs to remember to take his meds and this kinda stuff wouldn't happen.
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Whats the average delivery time on a Gradous rifle?
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Mine have taken 6 months to a year. I was never in a rush to get it back. Rarely checked progress as I knew it would show up when he was done.
When I took his gun building class it took a week for us to build it together
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No matter how wonderful his rifles may be there's no excuse for taking customer's money and not delivering nor communicating. Expanding the shop etc., etc. is no excuse nor is admission of the lack of business skills.
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taking customer's money and not delivering nor communicating. Expanding the shop etc., etc. is no excuse... No not an excuse at all...it sounds like it's all part of the plan... It's Crowdfunding.
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Has anyone tried calling him? I thought I read in an earlier post that he was going to start answering calls regularly starting last Monday since his equipment and others new items were in place. I called him just recently and we had a good talk..
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taking customer's money and not delivering nor communicating. Expanding the shop etc., etc. is no excuse... No not an excuse at all...it sounds like it's all part of the plan... It's Crowdfunding. Thought the exact same thing. CNC is expensive. 
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Exactly. Piss poor practice. I can't fathom anyone still licking his nuts
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Has anyone tried calling him? I thought I read in an earlier post that he was going to start answering calls regularly starting last Monday since his equipment and others new items were in place. I called him just recently and we had a good talk.. You have the calling thing backwards. The pig farmer should be making the calls.
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