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What kind of a kit should I look for? A lot of the ones I find listed have lots of aspirin, ouchie size bandaids, but not things like blood clotter, tourniquet, or even a sling.
I am not trained, so that comes into consideration, too.
My thoughts are severe high altitude problems, falling off a cliff, cutting open a leg with an axe, orgunshot.
Any suggestions on what to buy to put together myself? Thanks
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Moleskin,Benadryl, ibuprofen,some ointment like neosporin and some bandages to take care of cuts is what I carry in my pack.
I keep a bigger kit in my truck/base camp.
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Rosco1 and I are on the same page. To his list I add a couple Quick Clot trauma pads and an ace bandage,complete with a partial roll of first aid tape. Never had much luck with the little butterfly thingys ace bandages come with. My hope is that I could bind a bad puncture with the ace bandage and Quick Clot pad(s). I hunt alone even with a half dozen others in camp. Too many hororstories afoot regarding knife accidents in the mountains.
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Wound Seal takes up almost no space and is supposed to be great for stopping bleeding. I carry it but have never needed to find out if it works.
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Super Glue.....dermabond....2 tubes
Quick clot
Rubber tourniquet
Lidocaine pre filled syringe....Rx
Suture kit (pre threaded)
Small hemostat
Roll of black tape
Excedrin
Rolaids
Several 4x4 gauze
And if things aren't bad....maybe a couple bandaids
This is my pack first aid kit
I have all of the same stuff listed above in my truck kit with several Rx drugs to cover several possibles
All home made kits
NOTE***** replace the glue each year
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I was looking at this kit, Adventure Medical Kits Grizzly First Aid Kit sold at Midway Usa for under a hundred bucks. I will carrying one of these for sure. Horror stories of careless knife injuries. Simple cuts can lead to nasty infections that we don't need.
This kit list blood clotters, sling, syringe for cleaning wounds and a lot of other things.
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They used to recommend snake bit kits but they've changed that. They've had more serious injuries from cutting into the bite than what the snakes caused. When people get scared, they take those razors and just start whacking away.
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I always make sure I save any pain killers I have left over after dental procedures, eye surgery (have had Lasik a few times), etc. and put those in my first aid kit. Falls, twisted ankles, etc. are also a real possibility in the back country so need to be ready for those. Also be ready with medicines in case of cold/flu, stomach ailments, toothaches, etc.
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Aside from the kit, think about a class. I really enjoyed a Wilderness First Aid class I took a few years ago. Instead of the Red Cross class where the first action is to call 911, they work from the premise that you are a few hours from the trailhead. It is knid of a McGuiver Medicine approach, you would be surprised what you can improvise with.
As for my kits, I have two. The small EDC kit has a clotting gauze packet, aspirin tablets, benadryl, some bandaids, super glue, gauze tape, neosporin ointment, small tweezers (i live in cactus country) and a few alcohol wipes. It is in a small plastic container about 3"x4"x1". It also has matches, a magnesium fire starter, candle nub, nylon string and a whistle. I have black electricians tape, probably 3 ft, wrapped around the outside of it. My larger kit, for backcountry trips or to keep in camp, is from Wilderness Medicine Institute. I added a Epi pen to that kit.
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Super Glue.....dermabond....2 tubes
Quick clot
Rubber tourniquet
Lidocaine pre filled syringe....Rx
Suture kit (pre threaded)
Small hemostat
Roll of black tape
Excedrin
Rolaids
Several 4x4 gauze
And if things aren't bad....maybe a couple bandaids
This is my pack first aid kit
I have all of the same stuff listed above in my truck kit with several Rx drugs to cover several possibles
All home made kits
NOTE***** replace the glue each year I'll 2nd the electrical tape and super glue. Tape can aid in a lot of fixes like finger splints or make a tourniquet and it could be used to hold a large cloth over a gaping wound. Of coarse it can also cover the muzzle. I have a least 2 roils with me at all times.
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What kind of a kit should I look for? A lot of the ones I find listed have lots of aspirin, ouchie size bandaids, but not things like blood clotter, tourniquet, or even a sling.
I am not trained, so that comes into consideration, too.
My thoughts are severe high altitude problems, falling off a cliff, cutting open a leg with an axe, orgunshot.
Any suggestions on what to buy to put together myself? Thanks The basic kits are just that, pretty basic. For the life threatening issues you listed I would look at the first aid kits that are marketed for military or LE. They have tourniquets and dressings to (hopefully)stop the bleeding from a more serious wound like a cut from an axe/knife, or a gunshot wound. These require some training to use, however, as a tourniquet can make a bad situation worse if not used properly. These kits are usually spendy, but you can use them for an item list and get the items by yourself for a lot less. How to treat a fall depends on several factors, the most important being whether or not the spinal column is compromised. Knowing how to properly move a person in that case is critical. Also, having a form of communication to get help is vital. Should a life threatening accident happen, the goal should be to deliver a breathing, non hemorrhaging person to a professional health care setting ASAP. Being able to get Life Flight, Paramedics or a Search and Rescue team to your position quickly can be the difference in life or death.
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I'll 2nd the electrical tape and super glue. Tape can aid in a lot of fixes like finger splints or make a tourniquet and it could be used to hold a large cloth over a gaping wound. Of coarse it can also cover the muzzle. I have a least 2 roils with me at all times. Don't buy cheap tape. Some of that stuff won't stick to itself let alone to anything else.
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In addition: Take some eye drops to rinse out eyes. One year I was cutting a branch over my head and the saw dust got in my eye. Turns out the mossy stuff growing on bark does not go well with eyes. By day two my eyes were very goopy and it was hard to see. It went away, but almost cost me a hunt, at least a trip back to truck. Very easy to fix.
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I'll 2nd the electrical tape and super glue. Tape can aid in a lot of fixes like finger splints or make a tourniquet and it could be used to hold a large cloth over a gaping wound. Of coarse it can also cover the muzzle. I have a least 2 roils with me at all times. Don't buy cheap tape. Some of that stuff won't stick to itself let alone to anything else. And is nearly useless at temps below freezing.
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In addition: Take some eye drops to rinse out eyes. One year I was cutting a branch over my head and the saw dust got in my eye. Turns out the mossy stuff growing on bark does not go well with eyes. By day two my eyes were very goopy and it was hard to see. It went away, but almost cost me a hunt, at least a trip back to truck. Very easy to fix. Sound advice. Makes sense to me. I also carry some lip balm. Damn that mountain air is dry.
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I agree with Rock Chuck. Add some wound seal or liquid bandaid. It worked great on a cut I got trying to chop up some kindling on the first day of an elk hunt a couple of years ago.
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Read "Wilderness Medicine" by Dr. William A. Forgey ISBN 978-0-7627-8070-9. Get the latest edition because Dr. Forgey continuously updates based on medical advances.
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What kind of a kit should I look for? A lot of the ones I find listed have lots of aspirin, ouchie size bandaids, but not things like blood clotter, tourniquet, or even a sling.
I am not trained, so that comes into consideration, too.
My thoughts are severe high altitude problems, falling off a cliff, cutting open a leg with an axe, orgunshot.
Any suggestions on what to buy to put together myself? Thanks The basic kits are just that, pretty basic. For the life threatening issues you listed I would look at the first aid kits that are marketed for military or LE. They have tourniquets and dressings to (hopefully)stop the bleeding from a more serious wound like a cut from an axe/knife, or a gunshot wound. These require some training to use, however, as a tourniquet can make a bad situation worse if not used properly. These kits are usually spendy, but you can use them for an item list and get the items by yourself for a lot less. How to treat a fall depends on several factors, the most important being whether or not the spinal column is compromised. Knowing how to properly move a person in that case is critical. Also, having a form of communication to get help is vital. Should a life threatening accident happen, the goal should be to deliver a breathing, non hemorrhaging person to a professional health care setting ASAP. Being able to get Life Flight, Paramedics or a Search and Rescue team to your position quickly can be the difference in life or death. A way to communicate is important. Just got a call hrs ago, the hunting party I was supposed to be part of "blew out my knee" had a serious accident. One friend had to be heli evacuated to a hospital in Great Falls. 21 rib fractures, broken arm , crushed liver and lacerated spleen. Were it not for the Satellite Phone he would have died on the mountain. Doc was suprised he survived period. Also lucky was a place for the chopper to land about 100 yards from the injured. 2 hrs is what it took to get to him. Were hunting alone none of this would have mattered , he would be dead now. And lucky for him 1 friend had EMT training. Prayers to my friend. Also important is not to take chances , don't care about that 400 bull if things are dicey. JMHO
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I carry a SPOT. That, or a similar device, can be a lifesaver. Just push 1 button and help will come calling.
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The spot makes sense and will be added to my pack in the future. However my buddy cound not do squat to help himself. Someone would have gone out to search at some point. However had it happened midday alone he would have been dead by then.
He has family at his bedside ,tried to call but not till after he's out of ICU.
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