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Black & white, or color? It makes a difference, especially when testing vld-type bullets.

Wow, all this crap over a guy shooting water jugs? If a guy wants to shoot jugs I say let him shoot jugs 'til the cows come home.

I may have missed it, but I did not notice coyote hunter making a single recommendation to all of us hunters as to which bullet will be the best elk killer because of his jug shooting.

I agree JG but when you post the results of your "testing" on an open forum, aren't you pretty much inviting others to comment on your "findings?" Why post your results on a forum if you're not interested in hearing what others think?

Your idea of someone commenting would generally not include ridiculous accusations.

+1

And as far as any past woundings.......anyone that hasn't had things go not-exactly-right......hasn't hunted too much.

As an Iowa Whitetail Outfitter, very surprised at the non-resident wound rate, especially for archery. Also, very surprised at the lie rate, when a hunter is asked to explain a faint blood trail.....close to their stand location.

Sorry, I haven't been following that closely. It would be nice if people stayed on topic but then it wouldn't be the 24-hour campfire. And some posters seem to have a knack for inspiring epic threads, or uber threads if you will.

Unless it's an extremely flat screen TV, or a puny 1 lb propane tank.....your beloved Berger VLD likely won't even exit.

I don't shoot TV's with vlds unless they're thin-skinned game (flat screens). For tube TV's and propane bottles, I much prefer mono-metals. I hunt in dense urban zones and prefer two holes and OTART.

How do you get any time for hunting, packing and shipping all those cookbooks?

Take a bow......the cookbook is currently outselling the new Clinton/Kaine book.

Apologies, CH. Sometimes it is just plain fun to throw the poo back at the monkeys.

I see absolutely nothing wrong or irresponsible in shooting milk jugs for testing.....or just for fun. Yes, with appropriate backstop. No, don't shoot them out of trees.

Am I wrong in thinking that the cup N core bullets pictured are doing just what they are supposed to do, and the mono doing just what it is advertised as, except for the seperation of one petal?

Cookbooks? Help me out here.

Perhaps you were mistaken for Mule Deer.
He and Eileen have written a couple of great wild game cookbooks.

Bingo.....smokepole's idol and rumored employer.

We actually shoot our milk jugs on my own acreages. Guess we should send out apology notices to neighbors, for not exuding the proper professional shooting etiquette.

We actually shoot steel plates too.

Have you ever witnessed a bowling pin shoot, at a real life range?

Lastly, do you shoot much?

My preference would be that C&C bullets retain 100% of their weight, meaning no particle spray. If they did that I would use them for hunting in my bolt guns. But that's not even close to realistic.

One of the purposes of the test was to see if I could detect any difference in the amount of spray between bullets, the mono excepted.

The photos tell the story graphically and people can draw their own conclusions. (Sorry the photos aren't better.)

Haven't shot a TV in a few decades. Propane bottles only after they'd already been killed. (Darn it.) Abandoned cars? Have used one as a target stand but it wasn't the main target. Water jugs? By the pick-up load.

Daughter #3 relieved her frustration with her old laptop using my .45-70 and hardcast bullets. A couple through the screen before one hit the lithium battery. Awesome smoke!

If anyone wants a recipe for killing water jugs, a .45-70/350g hardcast @ 1067fps will drive through 12 gallon-sized milk jugs and keep going. Just leaves a couple holes leaking water in most of them. For far more destruction but less penetration, a 460g hardcast at 1812fps works very well.

Thank you for posting, I like seeing your results...

Do you honestly think your observations have an read across to real life flesh and bone?
I expect a no less than 300 word reply..

You can do anything you choose in regard to your neighbors.

I own some properties with acreage where I can shoot but I don’t. I wouldn’t even do it if they were located in Iowa.

I use a small gun club range for my shooting. Shooting trash is not typically permitted but they would make an exception if they could do so without disrupting the members who were actually there for the established purpose – i.e., marksmanship. I believe that activity would raise a red flag in the mind of an adult. It is the kind of juvenile bullsh!t that goes along ‘experiments’, ‘tests’, treating a rifle as a toy, amature marksmanship and ballistics, and eventually tortured lost elk. There is a pretty good group of officers at my club. I suspect would recognize that sort of childish crap and try to steer the purveyor in the direction of making constructive use of the facility.

I shoot more than I actually need to but my actual hunting is based on using some level of ability to move within a range I consider to be reasonable and sporting. I had kills at 496, 650, 390, but that’s just not for me. It did not seem rewarding nor feel like fair chase. It took some amount of shooting practice for those hunts/shots but not by shooting trash.

I’m guessing most everyone here enjoyed shooting at all manner of debris at some time in their lives. I did. It went along with building forts, squashing ants, stealing hooch or hiding porn, and so on. Probably most of all us did stupid stuff up to a certain age and then most of us (not all) grew out of it.

Pshaw, I'm much better looking than Mule Deer.

But MIKEWEINER is right, I do work for him. Whenever he gets a particularly tough assignment, I ghost write it for him. I write all his best stuff in fact.