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#11460657 - 09/25/16 OCTOBER: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT"
RickBin Offline


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Hi Folks:

I am proud and honored to welcome officially Wayne van Zwoll to the rolls of Campfire membership.

Please use this thread to ask Wayne questions about his new, exclusive Campfire article LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT, linked here and also found on the Reloading subpage.

Welcome, Wayne!

Rick


Edited by RickBin (11/01/16)
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#11482205 - 10/05/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: RickBin]
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Welcome Wayne.
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#11482221 - 10/05/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: RickBin]
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Great news and welcome!
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#11482225 - 10/05/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: RickBin]
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#11482716 - 10/05/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: RickBin]
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Awesome!
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#11482775 - 10/05/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: RickBin]
ipopum Offline
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I have long been a fan of yours. Welcome to the fire.

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#11483383 - 10/05/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: RickBin]
joelkdouglas Offline
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WVZ, welcome!

From your article: "Joe Thielen sums it up: "To oversimplify, impaired flight due to tip melt happens to bullets with a starting BC of .550, at 3,000 ft/sec exit speed, over ranges exceeding 300 yards.""

Really interesting statement.

Do you know of any info on the effect of heat on other bullet types, such as hollow point (I assume negligible) and lead tipped? Of course lead tipped bullets don't have high BCs, so the comparison may not be a fair one.

Thanks!
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Joel

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#11483397 - 10/05/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: RickBin]
MikeS Offline
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Welcome, long time fan...

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#11483411 - 10/05/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: RickBin]
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Glad your on board. Welcome!

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#11484053 - 10/06/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: RickBin]
JGRaider Offline
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Welcome WVZ. Hopefully the moderators won't let certain forum members curse, belittle, and trash your threads as they do with other paying sponsor's threads.

I look forward to your replies.
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#11485515 - 10/06/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: ipopum]
WvZ Offline
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Thank you! I'm sure I'll learn something around this campfire -- initially how to listen and talk across it!

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#11485519 - 10/06/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: sidepass]
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Thank you, Ranger. I'm sure to learn from this group!

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#11485524 - 10/06/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: smokepole]
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Thank you. And how true!

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#11485528 - 10/06/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: JGRaider]
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I can certainly agree with that!

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#11485533 - 10/06/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: WvZ]
Mule Deer Offline
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Hi Wayne,

Welcome to the Campfire! It's sort of an alternate universe, as you'll soon discover, but one with some real virtues.
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#11485537 - 10/06/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: ipopum]
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Thank you, ipopum. It's already an interesting experience!

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#11485540 - 10/06/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: RickBin]
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WvZ,

Welcome to the "Campfire". I have always appreciated and respected your writing.

donsm70


Edited by donsm70 (10/06/16)
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#11485541 - 10/06/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: MikeS]
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Thank you, Mike. About now, riflemen from my part of the country are packing up for a few months in yours!

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#11485572 - 10/06/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: joelkdouglas]
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The heating of bullets in flight is hard to study. I must defer to ballisticians with more experience and equipment. But those who've conducted the Doppler trials for Hornady are on to something. As I've mentioned in my articles on the topic, heat build-up becomes consequential when the bullet 1) is going fast enough to generate requisite friction, 2) has a high enough BC to travel at speed for some distance and 3) flies far enough to permit thorough heating. Most bullets/shots don't meet all those requirements. Your question about HP and SP noses is a good one. Without data, I'll hazard that jacket material won't melt at the velocities shown to induce melting in polymer. And while lead will liquefy at lower temps than gilding metal, it's already imperfect in form at the bullet tip. If heat affects its shape, any change would be hard to measure and to replicate in shooting trials. That's my tractor-seat opinion.

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#11485576 - 10/06/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: donsm70]
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Thank you for the kind words.

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#11485590 - 10/06/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: WvZ]
BobinNH Offline
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WVZ: Welcome. I always enjoyed your writing about rifles and hunting.
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#11485601 - 10/06/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: RickBin]
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Welcome. Eat the chicken and leave the bones--you'll enjoy it here.

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#11485603 - 10/06/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: BobinNH]
bigwhoop Offline
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Yes, welcome to a mellow site where everyone gets along - as long as they don't sign in!
Look forward to your contributions as I have followed you for years.
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#11485623 - 10/06/16 Re: NEW: Ask Wayne van Zwoll Questions About "LOADS FOR THE LONG SHOT" [Re: WvZ]
jwall Offline
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WvZ -

Count me in welcoming you to the 'fire'. I've never had the privilege in conversing with you and am very interested in getting to know you better.

Jerry
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