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why the hell wouldn't somebody try to eek the most amount of accuracy from a rifle as possible?
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Accuracy for a hunting bullet is wasted on a piece of paper. Even if your group measured 1/2 inch or even less, that is not enough accuracy to put you in the top 10,000 shooters in bench rest competition. An 1 1/2 inch gun is more than enough to reliably kill big game at any realistic hunting distance.
Why worry about a group, just get a good performance bullet and put the center of your group in the crosshairs and go kill something. I don't think anyone here suggested using a "hunting" bullet for benchrest competition. I also highly doubt anyone here is going to use one of those fugly rifles that weigh 17 pounds ("light gun") or an unlimited weight "heavy gun", both of which are placed in a machine rest and fired with very little effort from the competitor. Most of these competitors shoot "free recoil", which means they barely touch the damn rifle. The rifles "aim" is also adjusted with the rest. As you know, hunting is a whole other ballgame. Or should I say I hope you know. Give me a 1/2-1 moa. rifle and I'm happy, as it helps in the whole scheme of things. Also, not to be the bearer of bad news, but, a "realistic hunting distance" for you, may not be the same for someone else...  . This is where you need every 1/2" of accuracy you can get. Although the OP is vague, I think you may be reading into this more than what is necessary. He's just asking for input on whether a certain bullet weight is more accurate than another. What you know about rifles or shooting you got from a book or heard someone else say. I doubt your experience would fill a matchbook. If you want to continue with your never ending "buddy" stories, go ahead, but leave reality to someone else. When you accomplish something more than packing a 338 elk hunting and shoot a total of 2 elk in your life and give advice to people about elk hunting, you may want to consider a column in a kid's journal. Until then, keep watching and wondering just what goes on in the real outdoors. So please tell us master.. 24 hourcampfire has been waiting for the messiah... I can wait to see your resume bwana
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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why the hell wouldn't somebody try to eek the most amount of accuracy from a rifle as possible? Hitnrun will be along to tell us why it's not that important.. he's the real deal, on the 7th day god created hitnrun..
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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why the hell wouldn't somebody try to eek the most amount of accuracy from a rifle as possible? I'm sure you spent an extra decade in school just so you would have more than enough education to prepare you for your career.
I was thinking the other day how much I used to hate Bill Clinton. He was freaking George Washington compared to what they are now.
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why the hell wouldn't somebody try to eek the most amount of accuracy from a rifle as possible? I'm sure you spent an extra decade in school just so you would have more than enough education to prepare you for your career. 2 1/2 yr hiatus and you are back on the scene here at 24 hourcampfire...
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Well aren't you a real detective. I know your gallery is loaded with some real admirers. Someday I hope to be as smart and popular as you. Thanks for noticing.
I was thinking the other day how much I used to hate Bill Clinton. He was freaking George Washington compared to what they are now.
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Well aren't you a real detective. I know your gallery is loaded with some real admirers. Someday I hope to be as smart and popular as you. Thanks for noticing. Thanks... you are the coolest sob on these forums..
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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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why the hell wouldn't somebody try to eek the most amount of accuracy from a rifle as possible? I'm sure you spent an extra decade in school just so you would have more than enough education to prepare you for your career. Haha, really? Anyway, looks like another member decided to use another handle to act as retarded as possible for entertainment purposes. Have fun.
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Accuracy for a hunting bullet is wasted on a piece of paper. Even if your group measured 1/2 inch or even less, that is not enough accuracy to put you in the top 10,000 shooters in bench rest competition. An 1 1/2 inch gun is more than enough to reliably kill big game at any realistic hunting distance.
Why worry about a group, just get a good performance bullet and put the center of your group in the crosshairs and go kill something. I don't think anyone here suggested using a "hunting" bullet for benchrest competition. I also highly doubt anyone here is going to use one of those fugly rifles that weigh 17 pounds ("light gun") or an unlimited weight "heavy gun", both of which are placed in a machine rest and fired with very little effort from the competitor. Most of these competitors shoot "free recoil", which means they barely touch the damn rifle. The rifles "aim" is also adjusted with the rest. As you know, hunting is a whole other ballgame. Or should I say I hope you know. Give me a 1/2-1 moa. rifle and I'm happy, as it helps in the whole scheme of things. Also, not to be the bearer of bad news, but, a "realistic hunting distance" for you, may not be the same for someone else... . This is where you need every 1/2" of accuracy you can get. Although the OP is vague, I think you may be reading into this more than what is necessary. He's just asking for input on whether a certain bullet weight is more accurate than another. What you know about rifles or shooting you got from a book or heard someone else say. I doubt your experience would fill a matchbook. If you want to continue with your never ending "buddy" stories, go ahead, but leave reality to someone else. When you accomplish something more than packing a 338 elk hunting and shoot a total of 2 elk in your life and give advice to people about elk hunting, you may want to consider a column in a kid's journal. Until then, keep watching and wondering just what goes on in the real outdoors. Don't know you from Adam but in the last 4-5 posts, you sure do come across as a jackass. My money is on bsa.......
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I've always had great luck with 165-168 gr bullets and H or IMR 4350.
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I've always had great luck with 165-168 gr bullets and H or IMR 4350.
This is a VERY popular way to go. 165 SGK over 57.5 gr. IMR 4350 is what I used on my last 2 30-06 kills........
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58 gr H-4350 165 Sierra HPGK is what I've used for my couple kills.
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My go-to load to see if a 30-06 is going to be accurate has been a 180 Sierra flat base over 56-58 gr IMR/H 4350 fired with a Fed 210. If it won't shoot that combo, look for another 30-06.
That said, I've had great luck with 180s using H4350, Re 17, and more recently Re 16. I have shot mostly 180s in various 06s over the years so can't comment much on the accuracy thing between 150, 165, and 180 although I've not had issues getting them to shoot any of them. I tend to lean 180 in the 06, 150/165 in 308.
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Back before H4350 became so popular, the "known recipe" or go to load was always 57 gr. IMR 4350 with a 165. Some go 58 gr. or with a 168, but this combo is known to shoot well in vast majority of 30-06s in the world.
As for 180s, I just can no longer see the need. Due to advances in bullet technology, todays 165s will do anything the older 180s would do, if need be. Even though I have been running traditional style bullets lately, I could always step up to a TSX for larger critters. But unless one decided to go after a large bear with a 30-06, I can't see the need for a 180. Even then I would not bet against a 168 TSX doing the job. But to each his own.
I do run 150 grain bullets in one of my 308s. Mosltly Accubonds, now. The 150s shoot so well I never tried to go heavier. It has always been strictly a deer rifle, but I would not hesitate to use it for black bear or elk should the mood arise.....
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My tang safety 77 is a testament to consistently sub par performance. It has shot everything from 110 to 200 all powder types, loads, primers, seating depths into a softball sized group. Every other 30-06 I've loaded for preferred a single bullet weight, grandsons Savage likes 150s, my RAR 180s, daughters boyfriend TC 165s, those are the 4 I'm loading for now. In my limited experience with a half dozen powders and 7 or 8 bullets there is usually a favorite weight and bullet for each rifle.
I'd sell the old Ruger but it was Dad's so am thinking of a re-barrel to something else one of these days.
For hunting performance 180's of almost all types seem ok to me, 150s I'd go mono metal and 165's game dependent. Ballistics on the 165 or 168 seem to make the most sense if everything shoots well. I'd pick the sweet spot on accuracy almost every time like most have indicated.
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Every rifle has its preferences. My 06 has done well with anything. My go-to load is 168 gr NBTs & Ramshot Hunter for approx 2850, but I've killled stuff w/ 150s & RL15, 180s & H414, and have some 130 gr TSXs loaded w/ RL15 waiting to be added to that list. Seems to me the standby for >150s in 06 is a 4350 of some iteration. I've had great luck accuracy-wise w/ IMR & 150s, 165s, 168s, and 180s but speed wasn't there like Hunter. If your rifle can be as versatile as the 30-06 cartridge is it sure makes a challenge inventing a need for another rifle. But I don't care about NEEDS  !
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My go-to load to see if a 30-06 is going to be accurate has been a 180 Sierra flat base over 56-58 gr IMR/H 4350 fired with a Fed 210. If it won't shoot that combo, look for another 30-06.
That said, I've had great luck with 180s using H4350, Re 17, and more recently Re 16. I have shot mostly 180s in various 06s over the years so can't comment much on the accuracy thing between 150, 165, and 180 although I've not had issues getting them to shoot any of them. I tend to lean 180 in the 06, 150/165 in 308. Agreed, use that bit more case capacity to push more weight.
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In my rifles I think I have seen more differences in accuracy between bullets of the same weight but different brands. In my two 30-06's One seems to shoot everything well enough, the other absolutely hated any monometal on the planet. My preference is for 180's in the 30-06.
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There's an ass for every seat.
The .30-06 is as near a "perfect" cartridge as we will ever get. 110 years of popularity lends credence to that statement.
Pick a bullet, work up an accurate load, and go use it. With bullet technology being what it is today, the old distinctions of bullet weight determining end use are blurred. A generation ago, 130's weren't good for much else than varmint shooting. Now, a 130 grain TTSX makes for a dandy big game bullet for example.
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I don't know if one bullet wt. gives the best accuracy but a combination of 150's with 46 (for the Garand) up to 52 gr of 4064 has given me good to excellent accuracy in every 30-06 I've owned.
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